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Elon, please make the falcon doors optional!

Elon, please make the falcon doors optional!

I want to see Tesla succeed yet I am concerned that forcing a new vision for rear-car access via the falcon doors may turn many buyers off. I love the concept. I see the benefits of the falcon doors. I even like the style of them. But they will not work for many people. Those who want a roof rack, those who have low-ceiling garages, those who are concerned about rain or snow falling into the cabin when opened, etc. There are just too many potential negatives to some demographics. Therefore, if they were optional they would not hinder sales. Yes, I know that engineering an optional traditional door would cost more, however I'm sure the additional sales would more than make up for it. You already have rear doors on the S so I'm sure it wouldn't be that difficult to design a traditional door for the X. Even further, allow the option of having just 1 falcon door and 1 traditional door. That would free up some roof space for racks.

jk2014 | 24 January, 2013

I think the real sales for the model x will through people with kids. Not sure falcon wing doors will help with those sales but we'll see.

There is no other suv(or minivan) out there that compare with the fuel economy or storage space. Only real hinderance will be the price. There will be probably millions more sold if they could make an 85 version under 55k. Reservations will be through the roof...

Blip | 25 January, 2013

Hear, hear! My biggest concern is the snow and rain on the roof. I've written it before, but it seems that the doors are designed by/for people with no experience with (real) snow.

Benz | 25 January, 2013

With the Model S an Panoramic Roof is optional.

And if the Falcon Doors on the Model X were to be optional, then the Model X could also be delivered with a Panoramic Roof. That would be really great. Therefore I think that Topic Starter has got a good point: "make the Falcon Doors optional".

But still, some people will prefer the Model X with Falcon Doors. They can have that choise as well. Everybody happy.

RDoc | 26 January, 2013

I totally agree with Benz. While I love the appearance and action of the falcon doors, they seem impractical and prone to failure to me for the reasons Benz mentioned.

Brian H | 26 January, 2013

But without them, how will the X fly?

Mvaknin | 26 January, 2013

I 100% agree about giving the option. But to me, the price has to reasonable. If the price is less than 55k, Tesla will take over the SUV world. A leasing option on both models has to be in the future plans.

Quigibo | 26 January, 2013

Totally Agree---Tesla please come up with a pop out sliding side door---just be innovative so it does not look like a weird minivan.

Falcon Doors can be optional for those that have the garage height and space to work with them.

Brian H | 27 January, 2013

FWIW, Tesla claims the falcon wing doors swing up in less space than sliding doors require.

Blip | 27 January, 2013

FWIW, Tesla claims the falcon wing doors swing up in less space than sliding doors require.
Yes, but that's not the issue here. Have you ever experienced snow and rain?

I'm afraid the Tesla company will act much like Apple do. They bring simple choices to the people by answering all "options" and wishes with statements like "You don't need that." I hope not, though ;)

Brian H | 27 January, 2013

The X has been designed to flash-heat the roof to loosen ice, followed by supersonic vibrations to make it shatter and fall off.

Or not.

Benz | 28 January, 2013

I have personally taken a lot of time already to choose between the Model S and the Model X. And I still have not made a choise yet. Because the Model S is just so fantastically to see. But I just do not like the 2 seats for children in the back. OK, so leave that space for just luggage. But that is just the point why the Model X becomes so practical. Because 7 adults can sit comfortly in this car, and there is enough space for luggage as well. And then we get to the options. I really would like to have a big Panoramic Roof on the Model X. Even if that means that the Falcon Doors will have to be dropped. The Panoramic Roof is more important for me than the Falcon Doors are. I hope that I have made my point clearly.

cprenzl | 30 January, 2013

now thinking about the fact that elon mentioned the largest door opening around... that would be very hard for him to get doors to fill that large opening, don't think they would drop the doors now, they should be able to come up with something creative to fix the snow rain issue

Eple | 30 January, 2013

I'm also hoping for some alternate sliding doors. The falcon wings are cool but could be a dealbreaker for me since I live in Norway and we have winther every year.. I rather have a 5 seat sliding door X than a 7 seat falcon wing. I'm also unsure if my garage ceiling is high enough for the falcon wings.

danielccc | 30 January, 2013

I don't usually pay attention to SUV and crossovers, but when I do, I pay attention to the Model X.

And, honestly, I think the falcon wing doors are a very "California" feature, or at least a warm place feature. I can picture them in tropical climates and that kind of thing. They will even, when open, provide nice shade and plenty of air to somebody simply sitting in the car.

But where snow, ice, and rain rule the skies, I just don't think they are going to work at all.

So I think requesting that they be optional is brilliant.

Benz | 31 January, 2013

Yes, let the buyers decide what they really want to have, give them all the options. And then you will see which option is most popular for people. There may indeed be a geographical reason (climate), just like danielccc already has mentioned it.

Silkefot | 31 January, 2013

I promise that if another door solution would be possible, I will by this car. In the land of snow and roof boxes this is no-go. It also happens to be that the same country is the biggest Tesla marked so far...

Alex K | 31 January, 2013

It seems that having multiple rear door solutions would complicate Tesla's manufacturing. There would have to be stampings for new doors and body panels. There would also have to be new interior trim and hardware. Different crash testing would also have to be considered. I think with a scheduled introduction in 2014, and no alpha or beta prototypes running around now, that I wouldn't expect alternate doors to appear right away. Just calling an alternate door an "option", and saying that the customer should decide, will not change the complexities for multiple rear doors.

Brian H | 31 January, 2013

Alex K;
Good point. I give very low probability of optional doors. The X will live or die on falcon wings.

Benz | 1 February, 2013

Maybe after a few years (2020)?

Brian H | 1 February, 2013

More likely to come out with a station wagon variant, I think

Benz | 1 February, 2013

A station wagon variant shall also have lots of space inside the car, as by definition a station wagon always is a long car. Could it be possible that this station wagon variant shall have a third row with 2 seats for adults (as an option) like in the Model X? That would be great. And this station wagon variant will also be a little bit longer than the Model X, I think. Exciting stuff is coming.

Lanber | 1 February, 2013

I have a reservation for X and I will have to cancel it if I cant have normal doors when time to configure comes.

Norway is a cold place, 9 month darkness and 3 months bad skiing conditions. Ice and snow on the roof will do the flydoors no good and may even stop you from getting in.

So please let us have the option of normal doors, you can even fit the rear doors opening the other way. Just as long as they are doors and not roof!

Benz | 2 February, 2013

@ landmal

As long as I am not absolutely sure about wat kind of EV I really want to buy, I will have to wait and be patient. The EV that I want to buy has to be near perfect for me. It will take some time to find out which one is best for me, but it will be worth it. Other people should also put more effort into it before making a choice. People who make a reservation and cancel it later take a wrong approach. It's not good for them and it's not good for Tesla Motors also. I do understand that there always will be a number of people who will cancel their reservation. But the fewer the better, I think. By the way, I do not mean to offend any person at all.

ian t.wa.us | 2 February, 2013

I don't know why you'd want a wagon variant to be any longer than the S already is. I can't see one being made longer than the X.

Here's a rendering of an S wagon variant. Looks pretty slick to me. I'm a huge wagon fan and would love to see this on the road. If I don't get an X, I'd love to have something like this.

http://www.autoevolution.com/news-g-image/tesla-model-s-wagon-rendered/9...

Cheers!

Benz | 3 February, 2013

This station wagon variant model looks really great, and it just might be more successful than the Model S, as many people prefer to have a station wagon than a sedan. Certainly in Europe. This station wagon model just might give a further boost to the sales volumes of Tesla Motors. The future of the EV looks bright.

ian t.wa.us | 3 February, 2013

You do realize this is just someone's photoshop creation and not a real car?

Wagons are popular in Europe but unfortunately not in the US. Europe gets so many great wagons!

Alas, I'd be really surprised to see this wagon ever happen.

Benz | 4 February, 2013

Yes, I know that this picture has not been revealed by Tesla Motors. But a station wagon variant is very likely, I think.

mbcaffe | 4 February, 2013

Hopefully they will make the Falcon doors optional.Falcon doors are a "California" feature. My friend will not reserve because he cannot put his surfboard on top.

Benz | 4 February, 2013

Your friend could stop surfing, and start driving a Tesla EV (which offcourse is more fun than surfing, I think). Sorry for the joke. Many people think that the Falcon doors should be optional.

Brian H | 4 February, 2013

Here's an early article on the variants TM was considering a few years ago:
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/06/tesla-ipo-roadshow/

Nicu.Mihalache | 5 February, 2013

There are only negligible chances that other type of doors will be available for Model X. We are too far in the development cycle and those things are not only a production issue, but a design issue. Safety and how the entire body works together are hard problems, and "optional" door design would be too much in such a short time for our little company.

For mild rain, falcon doors are arguably better. For heavy rain, you have the place to use an umbrella under the door (who knows, maybe there will be an integrated option extending from the open falcon doors :) ). For a bit of snow, is more or less the same. If you have a (half) foot of snow on your car, you should take down most of it anyway, otherwise you put everybody else on the highway at risk. As for the ski rack, Tesla may simply block one door and allow that on half of the surface of the roof (if it is not a safety concern - the door may unblock if there is an accident, eventually releasing the rack in the same time, after the crash, of course).

On a big picture / philosophical view, Tesla is a bit like Apple. They build things that people do not know they want until they try them. I remember Franz saying that they had to go on many conventional routes with the design of the Model S, otherwise the risk of not being understood / accepted was too big. They did not want to put Tesla in danger with that. But they will push more and more innovative / revolutionary designs with each model. Some will not get it
http://seekingalpha.com/article/407491-tesla-model-x-too-much-too-fast
There may be even the occasional failed product from time to time, but this could not be Model S.

Tesla's cars will not be for everybody, at least not before 2016. They will choose to serve only some customers, already forced by the high price of battery + aluminum body, but also by design choices. It's a huge market and a small company can find relatively easily its growth niche.

I am ready to bet that falcon doors will be and nothing else for the Model X.

Brian H | 5 February, 2013

Nicu; +1

It will include a free large slender brush to clear snow off the roof for all purchasers who live north of 45° latitude, or so. ;)

Silkefot | 5 February, 2013

Although I do understand your reasoning I'm really sorry about it. I was hoping that since many of the buyers are from EV friendly Norway the climate there would count. I guess, since TM are based in US the US marked must be first priority.

If you make half of the roof available for a roof box that would make a great difference I would think, but please hurry up with a solution in order to make us preorder. The lack of roof box possibilities is the main drawback according to Norwegian forums.

Benz | 5 February, 2013

It sure wouldn't be nice if a (large) number of Norwegian reservations would be cancelled due to the Falcon Wing doors.

Timo | 5 February, 2013

I live in Finland and I don't see any real problem with falcon doors. Only potential problem would be lack of roof rack, but doors themselves would not be problem to me. Frankly I don't get what the fuzz really is, snow is not a problem if you clear most of it before opening the door, in rain it would protect whoever is under it, if it rains horizontal then it would suck, but only a little bit more than ordinary door.

I think this all is pretty much tempest in a teapot.

Benz | 6 February, 2013

Is it possible for children to open the Falcon doors while an adult is driving the Tesla Model X? We all know that children always try to do things that they are not allowed to do, and they sure like to push buttons etc. Could there be a safety issue with the Falcon doors?

Blip | 6 February, 2013

I would really like to get (see) some clues on how Tesla plan to handle snow and rain on Model X. I really don't see how it is possible to remove ALL snow before opening the doors. Nobody is driving around with (half) a foot of snow on the roof, but it is the last millimeters that drop into the seats when the roof opens up! And it melts, and it gets wet, and people sitting in the car gets it in their heads...

Please come to Norway to experience real winter and snow!

Brian H | 6 February, 2013

Timo +1
Benz -1

Blip;
The details of rain gutters etc. over the doors will determine all that. Close-up inspection required!

Benz | 6 February, 2013

@ Brian H

May I assume that you do not know the answer to my question. It's about safety of the people who will be in the car. Don't you think that that's important?

Tiebreaker | 6 February, 2013

@Benz: how about any other 4-door car? A family friend's kid opened the rear door and rolled out. After that happened, my dad would only buy 2-door cars. But that was 45 years ago. That problem has been solved for long.

Benz | 6 February, 2013

Just tell me if it's possible or not? Did they think about this when they designed/constructed/manufactured/assembled the Tesla Model X Falcon Wing doors? Could you just please answer my question? Safety is a pretty important issue, I think (like many others).

jdb | 6 February, 2013

Agree with Timo from Finland, this seems to be tempest in a teapot. I grew up in northern Wisconsin, know snow and ice and do not see big issues here. As reservation #677 (US) on Model X, I love the falcon wing doors, and the AWD feature seems aweome. I got delivery of Signature Model S two months ago, car far exceeds expectations, by far the most enjoyment ever driving a car. But I do have big problem: My wife wants to drive it all the time, even though it was my idea to purchase. So am looking forward to Model X in 2014 so I can also drive a Telsa. Cheers.

Brian H | 6 February, 2013

If you think a kid can open the doors when the car is in motion, you believe the TM engineers are idiots. Write to Elon and warn him.

Benz | 6 February, 2013

@ Brian H

No, I don't think that the Tesla Motors engineers are idiots!!

You could have just answered the question saying: "no they cannot do that". Very simple.

And I was not "assuming" that children can do that, I was just asking "if" it was possible for children to do that.

So, is there some kind of a safety lock on the Falcon Wing doors?

Brian H | 6 February, 2013

Groan. Write Elon and ask him.

LeonardD | 6 February, 2013

I am not sure if any modern car does not have a child safety lock that controls whether the rear doors can be opened from the inside. This car is controlled completely by computer. I cannot imagine not being able to activate a child safety lock either from the control panel or via a manual switch.

ian t.wa.us | 6 February, 2013

Benz,
Bottom line is that nobody knows for sure because the car is still a prototype. Is it too much to ask you to have a little patience and wait and see? Or at least give Tesla the benefit of the doubt and figure they've probably thought of this already? Even if they haven't I'd bet money there is a law somewhere that requires them to lock when the car is in motion.

I'm with Timo. Tempest in a teapot.

Cheers!

Benz | 6 February, 2013

OK guys, let's be patient for a while. I am just being curious about it. And I just write down the questions that come into my mind. Just to get a clear picture for myself about the Tesla Model X. I think that is important to do before I make a reservation for such an expensive car. We are not talking peanuts, you know. But I am not saying that the car ain't worth the money, let that be clear!!!

You know what, I sure would like to meet Elon Musk once or twice. And to be on a photo with him, that would be real nice. I shall thell him that I like is vision for the future very much, and that he is doing a great job with his three companies. And I shall wish him good luck. By the way, does anyone know if Elon Musk is coming to Europe in 2013?

Benz | 11 February, 2013

@ Brian H

On February 6th 2013 you wrote: "Write Elon and ask him."

What Elon Musks e-mail address?

Brian H | 11 February, 2013

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