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Interior Improvements....PLEASE

Interior Improvements....PLEASE

Guys
I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the car. I plan to buy one, and the ONLY thing that has held me back is the LACK of a complete design in the interior. Sounds goofy, but you know, my WIFE plans to come along on drives. First thing she said when I got her into the car at Santana Row was....where does my box of Kleenex go? Then she looked in the glove box, and said....my sunglasses case won't fit in there.

There are no "kangaroo pouches" on the backs of the driver and passenger seats for those sitting in the back, no pockets in the doors, and no drink holders in the back seats. There is no option for info-tainment in the headrests for those in the back...guess they have to look through the gap between the seats to see the 17" display.

There is no console storage, although when I pointed that out to the enthusiastic sales guy, he said...there is an aftermarket company who makes a console....really?

No rear seat climate controls....

Please let me know you will address these for 2014, and I WILL buy one. But, you have to realize people will USE this car, and they need to store their stuff, and they WILL bring along their wives...

Love you guys..

David Trushin | 7 March, 2013

Actually, in all the cars I've owned and currently own except for the Tesla there is no room for my wife's purse and the box of Kleenex and the umbrella(s). So the purse goes on the floor in front of the seat she is sitting in, the umbrellas fit between the seat and the center hump and the tissue box is mounted on the hump in the back using Velcro strips. Yes, the sunglasses go in the door pockets, so the sunglasses you need are always on the wrong side of the car. I LIKE the open center console. The purse goes there, the tissues go there, the umbrellas go there, and the sunglasses go in the tray under the screen. Someday I may make some storage compartments for it, but right now, I am amazed at how effective simplicity really is.

cpetrush | 7 March, 2013

If those things are that important, don't buy the car. I also love, love love it and I could care less about what's missing. The giant open center has worked out well and since you really can't compare it to other cars, don't.

KevinR.co.us | 7 March, 2013

The only things missing is clutter

nickjhowe | 7 March, 2013

@michaellboman - I initially thought same as you, but after 8 weeks neither my wife nor I have any issues with the interior storage.

I keep a few Kleenex in the glove compartment, along with documents. I keep flashlight, keys, dog leash, change and other bits and pieces in a small 'tote' under the bubby. My phone and sunglasses go in the cubby.

The center console area is then used for purses, sweaters, take out food, umbrellas and the other myriad things that come and go.

The pocket on the front of the seat is empty!

I keep a windshield sun shade in the well in the trunk, and I keep a bag in what Tesla calls the 'microwave' (the square area at the back of the frunk) with towels, swim suits, a blanket, waterproof coat, and whatever other crap we usually keep in the car, and the main part of the frunk and the trunk are completely empty.

RZitrin1 | 7 March, 2013

You know, it's interesting - I thought it was ridiculous not to have a center console. But now, with a little leather desk divider I had, I've got compartments for my FastPass, parking permit at the university, notepad, stickies, pens and tire gauge, extra reading glasses AND I have leftover space for my dog's water bottle, and - key - a box of kleenex.

Yes, I think they ran out of time before designing interior enclosures. Why no basket under the armrests? But now I think there may be something to Tesla's "open space."

Richard

dqb | 7 March, 2013

I like that it's so open

David Trushin | 7 March, 2013

And gone!

rrios | 7 March, 2013

Until you own the car you really don't appreciate the simplicity of the design. I love the open space and don't need compartments and pouches - those just hold clutter. I lay my jacket down on the back seat and don't have a problem. Because every other car may have had these things for twenty years doesn't mean Tesla needs them too. We don't have an engine, right?

David Trushin | 7 March, 2013

Michael, i think you're going to have to move this to a private thread. Nnt appears to be carpet bombing it.

RZitrin1 | 7 March, 2013

NNT is posting the same post over and over. I just flagged them. I thought he was harmless, but this is not just a stupid post; it interferes with an intelligent discussion.

jat | 7 March, 2013

See, that is why we want NNT gone.

RZitrin1 | 7 March, 2013

He's posting; I'm flagging.

RZitrin1 | 7 March, 2013

Flagged 5 more.

Did the list block his email for a while?

jat | 7 March, 2013

@rzitrin - no, but the forum software auto-quarantines the post after a certain number of flags (more than 2).

I would expect no less than a temper tantrum from a 2-year old who isn't getting the attention he needs. Maybe mommy can give him a pacifier.

RZitrin1 | 7 March, 2013

Thanks, jat. She/he/it got me pissed, so I'm ready to flag here all night.

Richard

RZitrin1 | 7 March, 2013

He's cutting and pasting and re-posting the same post. I'm flagging and not flaggin'. May have to take a brief dinner break though.

jat | 7 March, 2013

They disappear as fast as they show up, so we have enough people flagging them. We have numbers on our side.

RZitrin1 | 7 March, 2013

He's stopped for the moment, but we are ready if he begins again.

KevinR.co.us | 7 March, 2013

@rrios +1

jat | 7 March, 2013

I still miss some internal storage, and I will probably get the CCI despite misgivings about the price. But, I think it is great that people can get what they want -- if you like open space, leave it that way, and if you don't then add something (it would be nice if Tesla offered it). Try and remove a bulky console in a regular car (not to mention the issue of what is under it).

RZitrin1 | 7 March, 2013

JAT, I agree that "open space" was an excuse for "not ready," which it sounds like you're implying. I just found I liked it better with the desk divider I put there. Too bad I don't have the tan interior so it would match color-wise.

I never realized how much I had stuffed in my center console and glovebox that I could never find when I looked. Now everything has its own slot.

It may, of course, be like Post-Its - accidental genius - but I like it this way.

Richard

jat | 7 March, 2013

@rzitrin - no, I am saying different people have different opinions. Many people have said they like the open layout, and in particular women seem to like the large open console are for purses. For me personally, while I can appreciate the open layout I still want more storage. However, I'm not whining about it any more than I would whine about the cup holders being awkwardly placed in the LEAF when I bought it -- if that really is critically important to you, then find a third-party solution or don't buy the car.

Mostly I think it the way it is because Elon wants it that way, just like no door pockets and no grab handles. It's like Apple, you can customize it by putting any color case you want around it, but what you get is the way they want it.

nickjhowe | 7 March, 2013

@Jat - it is REALLY like Apple. You might not think you want it, or even like it, but Elon knows better. You'll come around eventually. Or jump ship to the Google can when that comes out. Ice Cream Toaster or whatever the hell they will call it.

jat | 7 March, 2013

@nickjhowe - as someone forced to use Apple crap at work, no I won't come around eventually. "Just works" my a**.

David Trushin | 7 March, 2013

I am thinking of making a minimalist organizer for that space. I would make it of obeche wook if I could get it. Evidently you can only buy that in bulk. Sounds like a desk drawer divider base would be a good start.

Shesmyne2 | 7 March, 2013

I love the minimalist interior. I have a folded up gym towel, a box of tissues because allergies suck, my gym ear-buds and my wife's spare sunglasses in the center console. Plenty of room for her purse, etc left. My shades, a pen, a Swiss Army knife, and some microfiber cloths in the cubby. Docs in the glove compartment.

Frunk currently only holds my front license plate - just in case ;-)
Charger bag, fire extinguisher, first aid kit in the trunk, blissfully empty; until the rare golfing/washing outing - got an expanding organizer for shoes, wet weather gear, misc. golf stuff + chamois and finish cloths for those trips.

"I'm clutter free and I'm lovin it Jerry!"

The old Jetta carted around a box with tools; extra oil, pwr steering, coolant and water, plus jumper cables. The last is probably the only thing I'll miss, helping out the stranded motorist.

Still smiling :-)

Brian H | 7 March, 2013

Doesn't the interior door handle sit over a large additional storage space?

nickJ;
PLEASE, we want to see a picture of the bubby!

Pungoteague_Dave | 8 March, 2013
RedShift | 8 March, 2013

It's not applesque to not have cubbies. It's cheapness.

It's a driver's car. It's also a family friendly car.

(and I am an apple fan with many many iDevices)

TeslaTap.com | 8 March, 2013

@BrianH - There is a tiny space in the door handle (maybe 5" long, 1" wide and 2-3" deep). It's not intended for storage, but you could put something small in there assuming it wouldn't rattle around or prevent you from grabbing it to close the door.

The door bottom looks like it could have been designed to hold something, but after opening up a door a few days ago, it's stuffed with many wires, the speaker module, sound insulation and the door controller module. There really isn't any free space with the current design.

David Trushin | 8 March, 2013

Thanks PD

Captain_Zap | 8 March, 2013

I think that cubbies and compartments will be far more critical for the Model X demographic.

JZ13 | 8 March, 2013

I have posted many times about my frustration due to the lack of coat hanger and storage. Well I'm happy to admit that most of my concerns have been laid to rest now that I've spent a few weeks with the car. All of my storage has been figured out so my center carpet area is completely free of any permanent items. I LOVE how open and clean it looks and feels. From time to time I place temporary items there that I need for whatever errand I am running that day. These items would lie in my passenger seat in my prior car and slide around.

As far as no coat hanger for my dry cleaning I have found that hanging them from the metal cross bar that separates the sunroof from the glass permanent roof over the rear seats is working great. I hang them in the corner of where that cross bar meets the ceiling liner behind the drivers seat. It forms a corner that keeps the shirts from sliding around. I have not found a good way to hang a coat yet so they have just been laid down flat on the rear seat.

I used to wonder how a coat hanger could have been over looked on a luxury car. (Even Elon usually is seen in a coat) I have come to suspect that in the rush to get the car to market in time that they had to decide what was imperitive to initial delivery and what could be added down the road. So I expect future S's to have a coat hanger and grabber handles. I really don't think they purposely eliminated these items as they are just too common, too easy to design and install, and too important to many customers.

Captain_Zap | 8 March, 2013

Coat hangers might be a regional thing. I never see anyone using them.

I never used them due to the visibility issue. I just lay things flat in the back. That works better than hangers for long items from the dry cleaners.

Amped OC | 8 March, 2013

@JZ13:
Thanks, I've been wondering where I was going to hang dry cleaning and my suit jacket when my Model S arrives next month. One question: If you can hang dry cleaning from the cross bar, why wouldn't you be able to put hang your coat on a hanger in the same place?

Ø | 8 March, 2013

I like it tide :)

JZ13 | 8 March, 2013

@Captain - I am in (mostly) sunny So. Cal. and even here many of us need coat hangers (I wear a suit occassionally). There is no visibility issue when you hang your clothes behind the driver.

@swmedland - Yes, I have thought about having a hanger available in the car. It would have to be a thin-wire dry cleaning type of hanger so I'm not sure how sturdy it would be. I suppose you could put 2 of those hangers together to make it sturdier. For now I've just laid it flat on the back seat.

Captain_Zap | 8 March, 2013

Ah-ha! I figured out why coat hangers are not much of an issue here. Wrinkles are more of an issue in arid climates.

I just realized that I tend to hang my clothes in hotel room bathrooms with the shower running to relax the fabrics when I travel. Now I understand!

JZ13 | 8 March, 2013

Captain - very interesting observation. I didn't consider climate effect either.

Epley | 8 March, 2013

My house is a clutter-fest. I LOVE the lack of crap in my car. It's my sanctuary.

That said, back seat cupholders and various other "holders" would be more practical with the family on board. Nonetheless, we are making due, and I'm the happier for it!

Epley | 8 March, 2013

@ Brian H:

That tiny space is great for cell phones or wallet or change!

ylyubarsky | 8 March, 2013

Besides lack of center console and coat hangers I would highly recommend to look at the quality of each item of interior, including door leather cover, which looks like cheap plastic, seat leather, seat belt holders, made in China poorest factories. If we don't have a center console we can buy it for $ 500 - $ 1000. If we don't have a coat hanger, I think that we can build something similar for a few hundred dollars. But what can we do with the cheap materials the whole interior is made from. That's a shame. Whatever is missing can be added, but the quality has to be improved. This is my personal opinion. I am not alone in this, particularly if you used to drive RR and Bentley, MB, BMW and Lexus, you automatically compare the feel inside the car to what you used to. And the difference feels immediately. I understand that a lot of money spent on electric part and technology, but I don't think that better quality visible items inside the car cost so much money that TM couldn't spend it to make it look more decent. It seems to me that TM wanted to cut corners everywhere they could, just to survive. Want to hear others.

Mark E | 8 March, 2013

Comparing interior quality to a Rolls Royce or Bentley is missing the point completely. The Model S isn't in that price range, and you are paying a huge premium for the luxury aspect of those vehicles with 'conventional' 20th century drivetrains.

Electron | 8 March, 2013

Wasn't aware that Tesla was competing with Rolls and Bentley. I have driven lots of Audi's,
MB, etc. and I don't really notice the difference in materials quality. Maybe I just don't care.

Captain_Zap | 8 March, 2013

Those that live in arid climates might have a greater need for cupholders for hydration too! I'm starting to get the picture.

Darmok | 8 March, 2013

I drove a Lexus for 9 years until a few weeks ago and like the S interior design and finishes just fine. I like the simplicity and have found places to put all of the stuff I actually need in a car (which isn't much). I'm no expert on grades of leather, but everyone who has been in the car was comfortable and commented on how great the car looks. I've never been in a RR or Bentley and have never driven a MB or a BMW, and have no desire whatsoever to do so. For the first time in my life there is no car I would rather own (until the X).

FLsportscarenth... | 8 March, 2013

Here again is a place for options... I am not a believer in the Apple philosophy - simple style only - screw everyone else. Model S is a car for everyone, if someone wants to pay extra for a plush interior or parking sensors or whatnot, let them have it, providing there is sufficient market demand for it to make it cost effective to offer. I am not Steve Jobs and want to force what I like down everyone's throat, I do not like his stuff and do not own apple anything. Make the standard interior simple, those who want more let them choose it and pay for it, do not turn them away.

Model S in 2014 will hopefully have more options to make a wider audience happy. Would love to see a convertible or all wheel drive. Have it your way, let the customer be king...

JZ13 | 8 March, 2013

@yly you are obviously off-base with the RR and Bentley comparisons. My recent cars were MB and BMW and in my opinion the Tesla is on-par with those cars in terms of leather quality and overall interior finishings.

sandman | 8 March, 2013

@michaellboman,

Like a lot of others and yourself, I had same reaction to the interior lack of storage. BUT, also like many others, I've come to really appreciate the lack of storage. This is MY car, not my kids car, not my wife's car. I drive her car and all I see is all the crap laying around and stuffed into the cubbies that were never needed inside the vehicle. Various half eaten candy and snack bags, half used coloring books, reading books, games, bags with stuff, bags stuffed with bags to store stuff "just in case", CDs, CD organizers, makeup, my God so much random makeup. Why do women put make up on in the car?!?! I don't shave, clip my fingernails or exfoliate in the car. Whenever I breakdown and clean it out I want to light a fire and walk away.

So, I like that there is no room for random crap that is not needed. It guarantees that I can find every piece of junk my family brings into the vehicle in 5 seconds before they leave the area. I understand that others may not but I've been converted and I don't want them to change it. Maybe they could add a "clutter cubby" option for families who do want those options.

ylyubarsky | 8 March, 2013

JZ13 I can't prove it because I see what I see and you see what you see. I advice you just take Model S to MB dealership and open the door of brand new S550 and go piece by piece. The difference is not a little or so, the difference is huge. Just ask anybody from the street and take an independent opinion.

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