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Just received Model X email

Dear Model X reservation holders,

Falcon wing doors, all-wheel drive, and the most stylish way to combine an SUV’s utility with a sports car’s performance. Model X will be a production car that exceeds the promises made when we first showed the concept.
In the fall, we’ll start building Model X prototypes on a newly expanded and integrated production line at our factory in Fremont, CA. The first Model X cars for you, our reservation holders, will be produced starting in early 2015.

We’re pleased to confirm that the falcon wing doors will be a defining feature of this exceptional car. Not only do these doors look amazing, but they also make getting in and out of the Model X so much easier than would a conventional front-hinged door. You can even do it standing up.
We’ll also deliver a level of functionality and practicality that will exceed what you saw on the concept vehicle. We can confirm that all-wheel drive will come standard for Model X, and you’ll have the option to add a third row of seats to carry more passengers. You’ll also be able to fold down the second and third rows to create a flat platform for storage. When it comes to charging and long distance drives, Model X will be able to take full advantage of our rapidly growing Supercharger network.

These features combine to offer power, speed, and space – all packaged in an all-electric vehicle that looks and drives like it comes from the future.

We’ll have more to say about Model X in the coming months, so stay tuned for updates. Thank you for your confidence in Tesla.

sofaguy | 16 June, 2014

Got it this morning also !
Now patiently waiting for a real one.

SBCB | 16 June, 2014

One change that I wasn't expecting is the "optional 3rd row"; I thought that the 3rd row was to be standard equipment, designed to be a true 3rd row like the Acura SUV with improved access via gaul wing. If this is actually a small pop-up like with the S, we might need to reconsider our purchase.

primetime98 | 16 June, 2014

I was disappointed also that the 3rd row is optional, this seems to me the biggest problem with Tesla is they still haven't designed "packages" like other car mfgs, everything is an option which adds to the cost. I'm looking forward to more updates and seeing what will be available exactly as standard vs options. I'm still excited to get it but disappointed that something so important as a 3rd row is now an option.

Excited to hear everyone's thought.

Sig X #911

kejun1 | 16 June, 2014

making 3rd row optional is definitely a disappointment. it is just another way of increasing the price.

mdemetri | 16 June, 2014

Ya, I am not to happy about the 3rd row being optional. This is an essential component for me, a must have. It is the main reason why I am buying a Model X to go with my P85. I need a car that fits 7 adults and thats why a second Model S will not work for me. I could do without the AWD and Falcon doors, but these are standard.

C'mon Tesla, why are you making the 3rd row an option?

jjs | 16 June, 2014

Interesting. I'm Sig reservation holed #631. Have not received and email yet. Perhaps it is still in cyberspace.

I echo the disappointment of 3rd row seats being optional. However I will wait to see the pricing. If the 3rd row optional seating is not any more expensive than a std S I guess I can't be too upset. It will also give Tesla the opportunity to have a lower cost X entry vehicle. We will just have to wait and see.

vandacca | 16 June, 2014

I was more surprised than disappointed with the "optional" 3rd row, since from the day Tesla announced the Model-X, they touted the ease of use getting into the 3rd row with the Falcon Wing doors.

As long as the 3rd row seats are not an "after-thought" or some less-functional seats than the 2nd row, I can live with the disappointment (and a lighter wallet).

It does feel like Tesla may be using this to drive the price of the vehicle. Hopefully, this means that they are getting closer to a final design and I'll be able to drive one in March 2015 (P#008)

--Dan

cdave | 16 June, 2014

I received the email as well. Noticed that in one photo the X has side mirrors and in the second photo has side cameras.

TeslaLABlue | 16 June, 2014

Re: 3rd row optional. No big deal for me. 3rd row in Model S is also an option.

We're talking 1st generation here. Pay up to be the 1st on the block with a model X, lets set an example, help the cause. This is about changing the world and getting less dependent on Oil.

This is more than just buying an Audi, BMW, Acura with options.

Tesla is a young company and obviously can not afford to give away the 3rd row seat.

We have to invest now for the future so our 3rd row passengers can breath the air without an oxygen mask.

romainiacWV | 16 June, 2014

Ok with this being optioned in, but I just hope it doesn't imply that these will be a cheap (as in quality) add-on to the car. If they are of similar quality to the S jump seats than the buyers, including myself, will cancel in droves. This car was designed as a van/SUV replacement, needs three quality rows of seats. Not a pop out of the floor third row that feels like a cheap addition

georgehawley.fl.us | 16 June, 2014

I haven't received the email yet but I sent an email to Tesla complaining about the website.
It is very out of date. There is no feature list for the MX except for the two battery packs, two drive trains and the falcon wing doors. The car is shown with a third row of seats. Elon showed a slide with rear view side mirrors and a third row of seats at the recent shareholder's meeting with no mention of them being optional. The website shows rear view side cameras.
I have requested that they fix the website so that reservation holders can start getting some clarity concerning what to expect.

blackscraper | 16 June, 2014

3rd row is an optional?! This is just jacking up the price. Come on, Tesla, you should do better than this. Falcon Wing and AWD can be optional, but not 3rd row seats!

TeslaLABlue | 16 June, 2014

agreed, I would hope its quality seating in 3rd row.
Too hard to speculate at this time. One would think the vehicle fits a quality row of seats.

Went through the same speculation when the Model S info was trickling out.

In the end the vehicle will not be for some folks and will be for others.

Just have to wait and see.

KyleGoss | 16 June, 2014

One would expect the cost of the 3rd row option to be at least as much as the rear facing seats in the Model S, so $2,500. If it weren't optional, the base price would just be that much more. Making the third row optional helps keep the base price more in line with the quoted "low single digit percentage" increase over the base Model S.

Some people will never need the third row seats and they would just take up space. I think it good they are optional.

georgehawley.fl.us | 16 June, 2014

Good point, @KyleGross.
What Elon apparently meant about the MX design goals being damn hard to meet undoubtedly included cost objectives. EVs with the performance and safety features of the Tesla designs are not cheap. That's why it is going to take a couple years of design work, progress on battery costs, and other supply chain costs to produce a superior GenIII car that is semi-affordable. They would like to quote a base price for the MX that is not much more than the base price of an MS. In order to do that the base model will have to be something no one will buy, equipped with a 60 kWh battery pack and 2 rows of seats. Just as the average selling price of an MS is about $95K, it will be "damn hard" to keep an MX with 2 motors, an 85 kWh battery pack, more aluminum and glass, falcon wings and three rows of seats under $100K...

I still want one. I hope the stock keeps going up.:-))

georgehawley.fl.us | 16 June, 2014

Sorry Goss not Gross

My bad

Rauv.cold.mn | 16 June, 2014

Sheeshhh--How quickly we all turn. If the MX does not suit you, or if the simple word 'option' scares you, then buy a minivan.

mdemetri | 16 June, 2014

Lowering the base price would be much easier by making AWD and/or the Falcon doors optional. Thats where the cost is. It certainly is not in a 3rd row of seats. This will lower the base price only a small amount.

GoTeslaChicago | 16 June, 2014

For people who value leg room over all else, making the 3rd row optional is a big plus. For people who carry lots of cargo more often than they carry lots of people it is also a plus.

Giving people more choices to fit their needs can only expand the market (in my opinion)

carlk | 16 June, 2014

@Rauv +1

There are actually four options:

1. Cancel the order.
2. Buy the car without 3rd row seat option.
3. Buy the car with 3rd row seat option.
4. Buy the car with 3rd row seat option and whine.

It's beyond me why people would choose the last option.

jk2014 | 16 June, 2014

Rauv and carik,

That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. We all want an electric SUV/minivan. We don't want a gas SUV/minivan. That's the point.

If Elon parades the MX with seven seats that seat seven adults in the demonstration/unveiling video, reservation holders and future reservation holders expect that to be the case. To add, part of the functionally in Elon's demonstration is that you can get into and out of the THIRD ROW better then any other SUV/minivan.

Enough with the mindless "don't buy it, if you don't like it" crap. This is a concern for people that expected it as standard. We have seen this type of change before with the MS pricing and options, it's not a highlight of Tesla business practices.

I personally hope that this type of business practice stops as Tesla moves to mass market. Especially, if competition like Nissan and BWM start making competitive EVs with the open patents, people will just go somewhere else and that's not good...

TeslaLABlue | 16 June, 2014

Wow,

Ok with the model s we did not know pricing, configuration, colors etc till close to production.

Give tesla a break.

Get off the waiting list and wait till everything is revealed if you don't like the web site.

If your on the model x waiting list your a 1st generation eary adopter.

All "issues" in this thread come with that.

It's a new product and features are subject to change.

This is not a dinosaur car company using a crappy dealership model.
If it was you would see a cool looking concept car And then a crappy looking production model when it finally arrives.

TeslaLABlue | 16 June, 2014

The car is "not in production". So features are subject to change and not everything will be revealed ahead of time.

If you can't deal with that then go buy a BMW of something.

Rich N | 16 June, 2014

I for one am happy that the 3rd row is optional. I'll never understand the fanfare for certain features to come standard as if that's how you get them for free or something. No one here even knows how much the the Model X will even cost with or without the 3rd row seat! Tesla could have just forced it on us with a jacked up price regardless, and I get the impression that doing that would have been a more accepted practice for those here belly-aching.

TeslaLABlue | 16 June, 2014

This is a flashback to the launch of the model s.
The fun is the mystery.
What will be the final price, look, features.

Us model s owners were all speculating 3-4 years ago.
We all dropped a deposit having faith....
And now the model s is the best car on the planet.

I gather the x will be just as good.... Keep the faith and be happy to be an early adopter.

With that comes ups and downs...mystery as to what the product will finally be like.

I understand everyone just cares about the product.

Enjoy the ride from deposit to delivery. If it's anything like the model s, you'll be blown away with the production model.

mdemetri | 16 June, 2014

The primary reason for the falcon doors was to improve access to the third row. If you are making the third row an option, then why are the Falcon doors not an option??????? I see little point of the Falcon doors without the third row.

The Falcon door/3rd row combo was one of the primary selling points of the Model X at the reveal and ever since.

I am more than happy to pay for a third row, but the falcon doors and AWD should be an option as well.

Also, please stop with the Fanboism that Tesla can do no wrong and 'take it or leave it' statements. Customers have every right to complain when a major reason for buying the vehicle is changed to an option while much more expensive items that you care less about are left as standard.

TeslaLABlue | 16 June, 2014

No final features have been revealed..... everything is subject to change.

The final Features, colors, range-battery options, amenities etc.... none of it is final.

Tesla might listen to some feedback and might not listen to other feedback.

If you choose to place a deposit, please expect a wild ride till the configuration screen appears on the web site.

I personally think that its the fun part of being an early adopter of a new product.

I bought a model S and it was a wild ride of speculation till the configuration screen appeared.

No one claims Tesla to be perfect.

But if you want to know everything before you purchase, then just simply put a deposit down after the first car comes off the assembly line and take a test drive.

Usually folks take a test drive before purchasing a product. There will be Model X test drive events.

Tesla did that for the model S as the Signatures were being delivered the first summer. Even at that point the configuration part of the web site was only available for folks that were next in line for production. In a few years... ordering a model X will have no mystery. You'll know exactly what your getting and how much it will cost.

Enjoy the mystery its fun :)

RichG | 16 June, 2014

Also happy here that the 3rd row seats are optional, I would prefer the extra space, and hopefully lower base price. This was a deal breaker for me, so now instead of buying an MS, I will reserve an MX. I don't get the sense that these optional 3rd row seats are like the optional MS (kids rear facing) seats, I expect they will match the 2nd row. MX can't claim to be a true minivan replacement otherwise.

I'd also like to see the AWD as an option, the MS traction is already legendary (http://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/driving-winter-wonderland-tesla-model-...) and it's rear driven. There may be extra opportunity for regenerative braking from the front axel but I'm not sure it justifies the extra cost to the base model.

Talking of options, I would like to see more granularity in the option packs. For example I want a simple digital radio (DAB here in the UK, not internet radio) without having to spend a significant amount on an upgraded 12-speaker sound system. Although I concede that having some standardisation reduces build costs.

barrykmd | 16 June, 2014

The primary reason for the falcon doors was to improve access to the third row. If you are making the third row an option, then why are the Falcon doors not an option??????? I see little point of the Falcon doors without the third row.

The Falcon door/3rd row combo was one of the primary selling points of the Model X at the reveal and ever since.

I like your idea. I want a MX with no third row of seats and no falcon doors.

carlk | 16 June, 2014

@jk2014 You probably did not understand what optional means. It is customer's option not Tesla's option you can have it, or not have it, anyway you like long as you pay for them accordingly so what's the problem? If you don't want to pay for it then just don't get it. Or you don't even have to buy the car if you don't think the package worth the cost. This is how free market works. Please stop whine like a baby for not getting all the toys he think he deserves.

AlMc | 16 June, 2014

TM has not taken away anything. They have added the third row seat to be optional. This will actually increase sales and reduce base price cost. It will also add flexibilty for people who don't order the third row seat initially to add it later.

Price before this announcement: '$X' (includes standard 3rd row seat)

Prices after announcement: NO 3rd row seat '$Y'

Third row seat option '$Z'

Your car with 3rd row option ' $Y + $Z = '$X'

vandacca | 16 June, 2014

I'm not going to whine about the non-standard 3rd row seats, but I feel reservation holders have every right to whine if they want to because we were all lead to believe that the 3rd row seats were standard. Tesla highlighted and paraded the 3rd row seats so much, they made it sounds like it was one of the main features of the Model-X, so I can understand why people are whining about it.

And don't be fooled. Just because the 3rd row seats are optional now, it doesn't mean the starting price is going to be lower than originally promised (single-digit percentage higher than the Model-S). The starting price will stay the same, minus the 3rd row seats.

--Dan

AlMc | 16 June, 2014

Does whinning help? It is not as if the 3rd row seat is not available.

redndahead | 16 June, 2014

I an understand not being happy with an optional 3rd row, but optional AWD or doors is never going to happen.

If the doors were optional then they would have to have two different sets of reinforcements depending on which door you had. That's an engineering never going to happen. Take this out of your mind. Forever.

Being a small company I'm sure they heavily rely on economies of scale. Having a third motor option is not going to let that happen. See the loss of the 40KW battery pack as an example of that.

If economies of scale is so nice why not always add the third row? Because seats can be an option. It's not like you can say I don't want a motor. They can make up the economies of scale savings by charging the right amount as an option. Either this will allow them to meet their price point or it is an option that people are asking for and it will lower the price point.

But really no one knows which option it will be until Tesla says something. So no use complaining about how this change is going to screw you over until you know you are screwed over. ;)

vandacca | 16 June, 2014

@AIMc asks "Does whinning help?".

I don't know, maybe it makes some people feel better. Perhaps if enough people complain, Tesla might make a special exception for early reservations holders - who knows? All I'm saying is that I can understand why people are feeling slighted. I'm sure they feel like someone performed a "bait and switch" on them. And I'm sure everyone will get over it in a few weeks and this thread will fall to the bottom of the forum. :)

--Dan

Iowa92x | 16 June, 2014

No problem with optional third row, but I wish AWD was also optional. Unnecessary extra weight, complexity, price and range reduction for those that don't need it.

10 minutes of research will show that rear wheel drive with snow tires offers superior traction to AWD with all season tread.

aljjr2 | 16 June, 2014

This is getting really funny. I think Tesla was simply reaching out, making a clarification what will be standard (all wheel drive) and what will be optional ( 3rd row seats). I saw it as a positive message... the X is on, or ahead of schedule. I took it simply as Tesla cares about the 10,000 people waiting for the X, and we are letting you know we appreciate your patience and more clarification to come from the original "prototype".

We all have a deposit for a position in line. If it develops to something we didn't want, cancel and refund. If it is something we crave, the info is all good. We simply know more that yesterday, and Tesla has more info coming.

Enjoy the info and clarification. I am still in line.

eddiemoy | 16 June, 2014

what a bunch of cry babies... i don't get why these people are whining? first of all there has been no set price for the car, you guys who put down a reservation are disappointed that tesla decided to put the third row as an option??!?!? not everyone needs a third row, many people get an suv just for the ride height. if you wanted the suv with the third row, then pay for the option? what is the f'ing big deal?!?!? you people act like tesla took the third row away and not even giving you an option to have it all!!!

the falcon wing doors are cool whether they were meant for easy access to the rear or not. also allow for easier access to the second row seats and putting your kid in the baby seat if i recall.

not all suv's today come with even an option for a third row.

if you want the third row configure your model x with it. simple as that! but allow the people who don't want the extra seats to get a price break by not including it.

KyleGoss | 16 June, 2014

"And don't be fooled. Just because the 3rd row seats are optional now, it doesn't mean the starting price is going to be lower than originally promised (single-digit percentage higher than the Model-S). The starting price will stay the same, minus the 3rd row seats."

@vandacca is right. The single-digit percentage higher than Model S was assuming that AWD would be optional. Now that AWD is standard, making the 3rd row seats optional allows the base price to be what Tesla "promised" while lowering the effective price for people who could care less about a 3rd row of seats. A win for all but the whiners.

NumberOne | 16 June, 2014

While I am not too exited about the fact that the 3rd row seat 'option' will likely increase the price, there is no point speculating about it until more is known about the actual cost. Tesla may not actually add a high price tag to it, but it has to be something that will discourage people from getting the option 'just because' (i.e. they do not need it.) Many people will not want the option, even if the added cost is as low as $1000 and it will save Tesla much more in the long run because they will not have to install it in every Model X. Just think of the potential savings and the reduction of waste (not garbage, but something what will just be folded down forever without seeing any use at all.

Think about it a little, and you will see that it is a very wise decision. Once you see the actual price of the option, you may wonder how Tesla will make money from it, but they will because the total production cost of the car will be taken into account, slightly reducing the margin on the cars with the 3rd row seat, perhaps only fractional.

Brian H | 16 June, 2014

Wow! Stock up $18 today! Coincidence?

Current and future reservation holders should rejoice (at this and all or any changes). Some present holders will drop out, shortening the line!

Roamer@AZ USA | 16 June, 2014

This third row seat rant is bizarre. I am ecstatic that it's an option and I can add them if I want. I also found the comment that the S rear facing seats were cheap or cheesy some what crazy. We own two model S cars one with kid seats and one without. The rear facing S seats are amazing seats. Complete with five point harnesses. My daughter had a certified child seat safety expert come and inspect the child seats in all our cars. This organization absolutely loved the Tesla rear facing seats. Once your child is the right height and weight to use them they highly recommended them. Absolutely nothing cheap or bad with the S rear facing third row.

I have three X's reserved, two Sigs and one regular. I will put third row in one of the Sigs and maybe the regular. Making it an option is perfect. If you want it add it, if you don't don't. It will have absolutely no effect on what you pay for the car. If all the cars have it all the cars will be priced to include it.

ARE PEOPLE REALLY SO DUMB that they think making it standard somehow makes it free. Clueless. If it's standard the standard price will just be that much higher. If it's standard everyone will have to pay the higher price and drag around the extra weight and hardware for something they didn't need or want.

I am baffled by people being bothered that the base car can cost less and if you add the third row it will cost the same as it would cost if it was not an option.

I am sorry but the third row rants I read make absolutely no sense. Sounds like people that think the government can actually give you something without first taking it from you.

Roamer@AZ USA | 16 June, 2014

@Iowa92, it is my understanding that the four wheel drive is much more than just four wheel drive. The motors and gearing are different to optimize the motor power at different speeds. The on board computer will vary power output front and rear to optimize highway cruise and in city stop and go. Optimizing the drive ratio and motor RPM front to back will result in improved energy use city and highway.

So it's not just four wheel drive. It will also be nice to regen on the front wheels. The current two wheel cars really work the back tires since they not only handle acceleration wear but also regen braking wear. Four wheel drive will even out acceleration and regen deceleration loads.

jjs | 16 June, 2014

Is ranting about people ranting, ranting? Damn, I think I'm ranting.

Roamer@AZ USA | 16 June, 2014

A guy has to do what I guy has to do. I just get bothered by people that don't think it thru.

pmlugo | 16 June, 2014

I don't recall seeing/reading that the 3rd row seats were standard. I'll take your Sig registration if this is a deal killer.

mdemetri | 16 June, 2014

Options are great. I don't need AWD. I don't need the Falcon doors. I do need the third row. Make them all options.

The whole point of the Falcon doors is to improve access to the third row. This is the distinguishing feature of the Model X. Makes little sense to have one without the other. Looking cool is not why Tesla designed Falcon doors.

Making the Falcon doors and AWD options will lower the base price much more than making the 3rd row seating an option.

PS: Please stop with the "Whining" comments. Every poster has a right to express his/her point of view without being called names.

Roamer@AZ USA | 16 June, 2014

I reread my post and jjs is correct that it's a rant. My apologies to the fine members of this forum and future Tesla drivers for my emotional outburst.

Roamer@AZ USA | 16 June, 2014

mdemetri, I like the falcon doors because they will make loading cargo and things like bicycles easier. They will make it easier to load thru the side in a parking space with a car next to you. If you need the third row seats just add the option.

I agree everyone here is free to express an opinion. The opinions expressed just made no sense. If you want third row order third row. I still don't see what the problem is.

The falcon doors and all wheel drive are what the basic car is. If you don't want it don't buy the car. The third row is different, if you want it add it.

I imagine at some point in the future there will be a different model that may be built for room and low price. Same thing is happening with the S. The Gen III is a lower cost scaled down S. Maybe a Gen four that is a lower cost scaled down X will come in the future.

Tesla has gone after the top end of each market. Sports car, Full size sedan and now X crossover market. Brilliant strategy as all the other car makers fight over the low end limited range grocery getter market. It's a smart strategy to start with the high end of the market if you have a product as good as Tesla and a limited number of cars you can make.

oyvind.hestnes | 16 June, 2014

I really don`t understand how making thirs row seats optional can be something to complain about? You can have the third row seats if you`d like. It`s up to the buyer :)If you don`t need them, you don`t buy.

However, things who are not optional (i.e. falcon doors) is an actual problem. When they aren`t optional you can`t choose whether you`ll have them or not, and that IS a problem for lots of buyers.

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