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Owning a Model S in Phoenix, AZ?

Owning a Model S in Phoenix, AZ?

We are in Phoenix AZ and am just beginning to investigate buying or leasing a Model S. I understand that they cannot be purchased here but can be serviced here.

Anyone here with experience owning a Model S in Phoenix, or a similar hot climate?

The online calculator says that an Model S 85 can achieve +200 mile range in 110 degree heat in city traffic, with the AC operating. Is this actually true?

What are your experiences with Tesla service like in Scottsdale?

Any other practical information on owning a Model S in a hot climate?

thanks

Keith

socalsam | 10 June, 2014

I live in Scottsdale and just ordered one. Lots of owners here and all seem to be happy. You should have no issues.

Mireille and Conan | 10 June, 2014

Hi. We live in Phoenix & have had our MS for almost a year and a half. (By the way, we see lots of others driving around.) Purchase online & registration etc @ DMV was very easy. It was the best and least stressful vehicle purchase we've ever made.

The Scottsdale service team is amazing. It would be impossible to over-state how excellent they are :)

We charge to 90% and regularly drive 120-140 miles per day, but have done a couple of 200 mile days. Yes, the MS 85 can definitely drive 200 miles w/AC (and pre-cooling too) in our 120 deg days. Personally, I think the MS is even happier in the hot weather than cold because cooling takes less energy.

In AZ, the 5 year registration is a great deal as well as having the HOV plates.

With the SCs trips to Flag, Grand Canyon, Winslow are all fun day trips.

We've driven 45,750 miles & love our car more each day. :)

AmpedRealtor | 10 June, 2014

I live in Buckeye and have had my Model S since August of 2013. I have a P85 w/ pano roof and it handles the desert heat beautifully. In fact, yesterday I averaged 271 Wh/mi on a 105 mile roundtrip to Mesa. I mostly drove freeway miles at 70-75 MPH with the AC in range mode set to 72 degrees. At 271 Wh/mi, you can get 313 miles out of a full 85 kWh charge (better than ideal range). I drive conservatively.

Don't skip the pano roof because of the Arizona sun. You won't even notice, it's that good.

You absolutely can purchase a Model S here, you just have to do it from the comfort of your own home using an internet connection. The car will be shipped to Scottsdale where it will be prepped, and you will pick it up there and receive a tour of the vehicle. Tesla's service facility in Scottsdale is top notch, in my opinion. There were a few bumps in the road when they worked out of a temporary facility last year, but they moved into their permanent and much larger location last October and everything has been excellent since.

By the way, Tesla is supposed to be holding a test drive event on the 14th. You might want to look into it and see if you can still sign up. Once you drive the car, you'll be sold for life.

jordanrichard | 10 June, 2014

I don't live in AZ, but with regard to not being able to buy in AZ, "buying" means money exchanges hands to get the car. You will pay for car prior to delivery, via wire tranfer or mail. i had to do the same here in CT where Tesla cant sell either.

thranx | 10 June, 2014

I live in Prescott, so driving back and forth to Phoenix I've had to deal with temperature changes from warm to hot and back again. I've never had a problem, including regular climbs in the 1000's of feet, elevation-wise.

I've never heard of any model S owner in AZ having a serious heat-related problem.

Gadfly | 10 June, 2014

I echo everything Mireille & Conan say. I've had mine six months and we regularly drive 190 miles from our home in Cave Creek to our home on Pinetop, which as you probably know has serious elevation changes, some 11000 feet of gross climb and 6500 feet net. No problem.

The SC, in Scottsdale because the target market is over here, is outstanding. That's good, because the car may have a few bugs in the first few months. It's an iPhone on wheels. Mine did, but I still love it.

The purchase and delivery process was the easiest of any car I've ever owned.

Before ordering the sunroof, do a thorough search of the forum. It seems to me there have been a lot of problems. Personally, I have always found Phoenix a lousy convertible/sunroof climate. It's just too damn hot too much of the year, but that is strictly a personal thing. Best convertible climate I ever lived in was London, beleive it or not, so I guess I'm just wierd.

Gadfly | 10 June, 2014

One other thought on the sunroof: I understand it does add rear headroom. If you're over 6 feet, it's almost impossible to sit in the back of this car, so if that is an issue for you, go for the sunroof.

AmpedRealtor | 10 June, 2014

If you are getting a HPWC with your Model S and will be charging your car in an enclosed garage, you may consider charging at a reduced current during these hot months. I've found that charging at 80A in high ambient temps can trigger the battery's cooling system. This causes the air inside of your garage to warm up noticeably as heat is being removed from the battery. There is absolutely no risk to the car, but it can be a tad uncomfortable when you step into your garage.

dlake | 10 June, 2014

Tesla MS does fine in Phx heat. I drove in 110 degree heat today with AC set to 72. No problems at all and very comfortable. Like any other car, I would recommend tinting windows to keep out infrared heat.

Batteries seem unaffected by heat. MS has very advanced cooling system for battery. Maybe range will decrease a few % in several years, but after 4 months of ownership it still charges to the same level as always.

Test drive one. You'll order the next day from your iPad while sitting in your living room. Best car buying experience ever.

AreBeeAZ | 10 June, 2014

Comments above are same as my experience. I live in a Gilbert and have had my Model S since dec 2012. Service is great, summer temps are never a problem and pano roof is a must!

Enjoy!

shop | 10 June, 2014

Only comment I would echo is to make sure you get your windows tinted, like any car. But yes, the Model S, with its advanced battery cooling system, does just fine in intense heat. And yes, you can indeed drive 200 miles highway with the AC, no problem. And the Superchagers really are as good as people say they are. All in all, amazing car and future vision.

Roamer@AZ USA | 10 June, 2014

Buying one in AZ is very easy. You can buy as many as you want. The restriction means Tesla can't sell you one face to face but they are easy to buy.

I ordered and received two cars last year. Placed both orders on an iPad sitting at home watching the evening news. Easiest car I have ever purchased.

I make a regular business trip from Mesa to Las Vegas then San Diego then back to Mesa. 1200 miles and ZERO energy cost using super chargers.

Tesla's are a perfect Arizona car. You can run the AC anytime. Energy use to run the AC in AZ is minuscule compared to the energy used to move the car itself.

We have never had any problem driving locally. Don't even think about range. The car is full every time you get in to go someplace. Takes all of two seconds to plug in. My 20 month old grandson can't get out of his car seat fast enough to plug in the car. He loves popping open the charge door then watching the led lights change color in the charge port when he plugs it in.

It really is that easy. Last time I asked the service center they indicated over 400 cars in Arizona.

Tom M.us_az | 11 June, 2014

We live in Glendale, AZ. Have a P85 with a pano roof. Love it. No issues with the heat. You can't buy direct in Az. Means you only pay the state sales tax (no city tax). HOV lane plates for $35 per year. Also if you have APS. They have extra special rates if you charge the vehicle between 11pm and 5am. Only had to call and show registration info. Vehicle has a timer in it that you can set to start charging at any time automatically. Ours is set for 11.10 pm. Always fully charged in the morning. Scottsdale service people have been fantastic. Fortunately we have not had any real issues with the vehicle.

Roamer@AZ USA | 11 June, 2014

Tom N, may depend on the city, Mesa billed me for the city tax on both cars. Takes them six months to send the letter but they do come after you for the city tax.

Not sure what you meant by you "Can't buy direct in AZ", do you mean when you order a car it comes with a California title and you then need to register it in Arizona and pay the sales tax. Works like any car you bring into the state with an out of state title. It was actually faster to register at DMV than it is to do the paperwork at a car dealership.

I love that you can register for five years and not have to mess with renewals and all that wasted time and effort.

It is super easy to order a Tesla in Arizona. The whole can't sell them in Arizona thing is silly. I bought two last year and never left the house. Amazing. Register for five years for a little over $100 dollars. Simple.

@KMMCD,
IT IS VERY EASY TO BUY A TESLA IN ARIZONA and even easier to own one in Arizona.

mcdonalk | 12 June, 2014

Thanks for all of the timely comments. We are registered for a test drive here next Wednesday.

I have read elsewhere that the AC compressor is very noisy. What is your experience?

thanks again

Keith

AmpedRealtor | 12 June, 2014

@ kmmcdonald,

The compressor is noisy when it's at full power, however keep in mind that it has to cool not just the interior cabin but also a 1,500 lb battery pack. However, if the sound is objectionable, Tesla has issued a service bulletin indicating a sound insulating blanket as well as a modified bracket to help address those issues. In my experience, the Scottsdale service center will apply all outstanding service bulletins to the car before you take delivery, so this may be a non-issue for you. However, I would contact Tesla service in Scottsdale and inquire about it before you pull the trigger. Their answer should put you at ease.

Carefree | 12 June, 2014

The compressor is only very noisy for maybe 2-4 minutes when you start the car. I just cool down the car with the app 5 minutes before I need to go somewhere - I then have a cool cabin and the compressor is rather quiet then.

It really is a non-issue.

Tom M.us_az | 12 June, 2014

@roamer.. i ordered online too.. meant you can't order at showroom in fashion square mall.. they are not allowed to talk to a customer about pricing or take an order.. Have had the p85 for less than 2 months so the city taxman hasn't called yet.

kmmcdonald.. our compressor was a little noisier than we thought it should be.. called the Scottsdale service center.. they put some type of a sleave on it that reduced the noise level.. now only a few seconds of the a.c. gearing up then quiet

bigdahud | 12 June, 2014

I am a happy owner but i had a bad experience today. I have had my Model S 85 for six months now, never had any problems except for today when the temp was 111. My AC went out when i was in the middle of the road, i called the customer service and they couldn't do anything. I had to drive for another 1 1/2 hours in the scotching sun.I was wet from the top of my head down to the soles of my feet. Very very unfortunate.

2050project | 14 June, 2014

There are a lot of owners in the area that are members of:
http://www.teslaowners.us

... good events with other Model S owners in AZ, contact Rolf, who started the club, he's a great guy...

AmpedRealtor | 14 June, 2014

@ bigdahud,

My AC went out when i was in the middle of the road, i called the customer service and they couldn't do anything.

Would you please provide some additional details regarding the above underlined portion of what you just said? That contradicts my experience with Tesla, especially the local service center in Scottsdale. Given that we have 110 temps, an AC failure should have been treated as a priority. Tesla would have swapped your car with a loaner and fixed your issue in short order.

Gadfly | 14 June, 2014

@ bigdahud,

Agree with amped. Scottsdale SC goes above and beyond. First month (inJanuary) with my S we drove to Pinetop, 200 miles, and I couldn't get charge to work. Called the SC at 6 pm and they dispatched a tech towing a flatbed with a loaner who arrived at 10:30 pm. Turned out it was a bad charge cable, which he replaced. Didn't need the loaner.

The car is awesome in AZ. Tint and a sunscreen for the windshield are a sine qua non. Great feature is the smart phone ability to remotely activate the ac to cool it down before you get back to it. I turn it on on the 18th tee. It will run for about 15 minutes but cools the interior in about 5 minutes.

Brian H | 15 June, 2014

I took it that he meant they couldn't do anything remotely, immediately, while he was on the road!

bigdahud | 16 June, 2014

I meant they couldn't do anything remotely. The car was picked up on Saturday and they are still trying to figure out what went wrong. They first thought the espansion valve was shut out, the valve was replaced and the problem is still not fixed. So I hope they figure it out today.

Kondo | 16 June, 2014

Great thread. I am in Goodyear and am taking my first drive tomorrow. I ordered without the test drive just from reading all of these amazing comments. P85 and white. Have been looking for AmpedRealtor but haven't seen him cruising as of yet. Considered the red but just sold my Pontiac GXP G8 which was white and I loved it. Same size car and now the color. The wait starts.

AmpedRealtor | 17 June, 2014

@ dkondo6,

I'm right here! lol

I don't get out to Goodyear that much, but I'd be happy to show you the car. I was showing it to a gentleman who owns a State Farm franchise on Estrella last week. He test drove one on Sunday at the Tesla event and is very close to pulling the trigger. I also ordered without driving the car... how crazy are we?

You can always call my office line at 480-302-9650. I'd be happy to come out and show you the car.

AZProgrammer | 22 June, 2014

Ordered my brown 85 on April 2 and took delivery on May 30. Love it! Yes, the buying/registration process isn't simple like it is with a dealer but if you do your homework (ask any current AZ owner for questions), it's not so bad. The complicated process is what makes it a unique -and rewarding - experience!

AndyO | 22 June, 2014

AZProgrammer: "the buying/registration process isn't simple like it is with a dealer"

Maybe I should share a war story. I bought my MS in March. Love it :-D. Purchase was simple even with a trade-in via AutoNation though the offered value was low. It still let me drive the old car 125 miles to the SC and drive my MS back home. There weren't many papers to sign. A month later my wife bought an Accord Hybrid (we can't afford two Teslas). There were about twice as many papers to sign and she didn't do a trade-in. The dealer deposited her personal check for the full purchase price. On the same day the dealer's third party accounting firm also tried to deposit the check. When it bounced they turned it over to a collection agency who successfully withdraw a $2k check bounce fee and tried to deposit the check for a third time. We're still trying to get the $2k back three weeks later, dealing with bank fees and are waiting to see what shows up on her credit records.

I hope I never go back to a dealer.

mcdonalk | 22 June, 2014

We plan to order a white S85 on Monday. Approximately what does the license and registration in AZ cost for this car?

dlake | 22 June, 2014

I registered my P85 using the 5 year option. It cost less than $200 for 5 years!

Roamer@AZ USA | 22 June, 2014

@AZProgrammer, I am baffled why you stated the buying process is more complex than a dealer. I found the Tesla system, even in Arizona amazingly simple. I completed the entire process from order to final docs on an iPad sitting in a lazy boy chair watching the news. Every document was done on docusign. Did not have to print or handle any paper. Not sure what happens if you finance a deal but a cash deal is absolutely effortless.

Even DMV was painless other than it took three supervisors and managers to arrive at the wrong numbers. Since it was less than $150.00 for five years it was just easier to write the check than worry. I registered two cars in six months and the math was different both times. But we are talking pennies when you can register for five years for less than $150.00. DMV also collects the state sales tax and that's another check to dept of revenue. You would pay that anyway. Cities also seem to eventually come after you for the city sales tax. That's what government does.

It took less than 30 minutes at DMV to do a vin inspection and process the title and registration for five years. I did plan my DMV visit for middle of the month in the morning. Lighter crowds.

I helped my daughter buy a diesel Jeep and it took an entire day to get the deal done and then four or five weeks later plates showed up. When you take your Tesla to DMV you walk out with plates and are done. Way way way easier than dealing with a dealer.

Azdcmoney | 22 June, 2014

This won't be helpful but u may find it funny. I bought mine on line, did docusign easiest purchase ever. Arrived Dec2012, Then I went to registered it. I was the first person to register a Tesla at DMV on chandler blvd. after waiting an hour I get up there give her my paper work, after three people try to help no one knows how to register the car. They called a person at another office and then told me to come back the next day. I returned, they now could register it. I was prepared for the 5 digit registration fee, she said thirty four ninety-five, I said damn I was prepared for a couple grand but not four, she said no, $34.95! Then she asked me to pull around the car for inspection. I asked why, she said to make sure it really is electric! Ok, we went outside, she asked to see the engine, I said there isn't one. I showed her the empty frunk , then the empty truck. She asked how does it go? I said like a bat out of hell! I explained the battery pack, the small eclectic motor on the axle, showed her where I plug it in, she went inside to get her supervisor. The two of them came outside, went over it all again, still wasn't happy. The supervisor said drive it forward, I moved it ten feet forward, got out, she said I didn't hear anything it must be electric go ahead and give him his plates.

Red Sage ca us | 22 June, 2014

NOTABLY QUOTABLE:

"I didn't hear anything. It must be electric. Go ahead and give him his plates."

LOLoLOLoLOL!!!

Roamer@AZ USA | 22 June, 2014

I just had a blinding flash of the obvious. Every city in Arizona should be pushing for the Tesla sales system. When you buy the car online the sales taxes don't go to the city where the dealership is located they go to the city where you live. Cities under this system don't have to offer dealers deals to get them to open a dealership in their city so they can get the sales tax. With the Current Tesla online system the sales tax goes to the city the Tesla owner registers the car in. Pretty good deal for cities.

AmpedRealtor | 23 June, 2014

License and registration should be under $175 for five years, add another $100 if you want vanity plates. Also be prepared to write a check for 6.3% state sales tax, and expect a bill in the mail from your city for the remaining portion of local tax.

mcdonalk | 23 June, 2014

We just ordered out vehicle by phone an hour ago. We were planning to order an S85. Minutes before we made the call, my wife said, "let's get a P85." So we did (but without the + package; I want tires that can be rotated).

Funny how this all happened. We looked into Tesla about a year or so ago but could not find their facility, so I figured that they didn't have a presence in AZ, so I looked no further.

We'd been considering upgrading our 11-year-old Boxster S for some time. A few Sundays ago, I phoned our Porsche rep to see if we could stop by and make the deal. He was out for the day, so we headed home. On the way home, a Model S passed by, renewing our interest, so here we are.

Now, the Porsche seems crude and complicated by comparison.

gwpigg | 23 June, 2014

I've been lurking since I ordered my S85, Sorry for the long reply, but wanted to get you as much info as I could. This is my first post, While I don't live in Phoenix, I figured I need to weigh in on buying/owning/registering in Arizona.

First, Buying is simple, you do it all on line and via e-mail to talk to the delivery folks. Tesla sent me two FedEx packages, one with the temp registration before I picked up the car and the other with the title application and Certificate of Origin and final paid bill of sale in it after I picked up the car. Easy as can be to buy here. I'm not sure what the ruckus is all about. We don't need any dealers in Arizona. you just order it online- Although I did my test drive in Seattle since I was there, I understand test drives in Phoenix are a little hard to get due to the law.

As for registering the Model S, I registered my new Model S 85 Friday- had to wait a long time at the DMV since it was Friday, I got there early and I waited about 1 hour then found out I was missing the 2nd signature from my Wife on the title application. So if you register as "or" you need to sign both places! They gave me a "return letter" so I wouldn't have to wait as long when I came back.. Hah hah, I went to get her signature and then returned even with a return letter waited another hour ( Don't go on Friday!) , but thankfully, the lady that waited on my was really good. She figured the sales tax correctly at 5.6% (that is the official State of Arizona sales tax), and I don't live in a city, but I do live in a county with sales tax of 0.5%, so I expect to get that bill someday. I was transferring my vanity plate from my LEAF, she handled that, renewed the LEAF's registration for 1 more year $16.53 , They know how to do the TESLAs now, although she hadn't done one before, at least not with a plate transfer, so she did ask a supervisor to come over and look at the calculations to make sure she did it right. I did a 5 year registration and with the vanity plate it was $285.28 The transfer fee was $12.00 The best part was that when we were finished, I looked at her and said I think I'm missing something- she thought for a moment and realized that she had printed but not given me the title! We both had a good laugh.

And owning an Model S in Arizona is great! I don't anticipate any problems with range due to heat- we have a BMS on the Model S that will manage the battery temps to a reasonable temp unlike the LEAF. I expect to be able to drive from NW Tucson to SkyHarbor and back on a single charge, so range is good-with the 85KWh battery. Soon we'll also have a Supercharger between Tucson and Phoenix that will really kill any range anxiety when going to Phoenix for the day.

All I can say is this is how a car should be- best car I've ever driven, Smooth, quiet and quick. I don't expect any problems with Service either, I called ownership today to ask about leaving the car plugged in during monsoon season, They transferred me to the SC in Scottsdale, and the SC folks assured me that the car would most likely survive a lightning hit, I'm still probably going to unplug if there is a storm nearby, If it did get fried, I can't imagine that insurance claim being very fun!

Finally, after driving the LEAF for 3 years, the Model S is such a different car, I had trouble taking the LEAF out yesterday, the regen braking on the Model S is so good, I don't even use the brakes except the last 10 ft before stopping. that was an unexpected but good. I'm a very happy owner in Tucson.

Red Sage ca us | 23 June, 2014

gwpigg: Welcome! Thanks SO much for sharing! Keep grinning! ;-)

mcdonalk | 17 July, 2014

We are making preparations for the September arrival of our P85. From this discussion, there seems to be some question as to whether there will be a tax charge for Residents of Glendale, AZ.

Tom (or any other Glendale resident): have you received a bill from the city of Glendale?

thanks again

Grinnin'.VA | 18 July, 2014

@Azdcmoney | JUNE 22, 2014:

"I showed her the empty frunk , then the empty truck. She asked how does it go? I said like a bat out of hell!

You cracked me up with this. A perfect description of the famous "Tesla grin" kind of thing.

Thanks for making my day.

Ron :)

huzz1970 | 18 July, 2014

We have had our 85 since mid-March. No issues, other than waiting impatiently for the Indio Supercharger. We have visited resorts, and charged on their 14-50 power at no charge, just call ahead to let them know what you need. So far, we are averaging 285Wh/mile which is 300 miles to the "tank", realistically 250 miles +/- without concern. A/C at 72, radio on, lights on, mixed driving. Typically 65-75 mph on the hiways, and still getting the thrill of the acceleration from the stop lights and the odd burst to pass which shows up on the energy plot, hee hee.
At 65 and with the reasonably flat roads around here, I get down to about 255Wh/mile with cruise control, which means we could get over 300 miles per usable charge (not maxxed-out). One of these days, we will run the experiment.
Also, if you want to shorten your DMV experience to a few minutes, you can register at the local AAA offices- they were through the paperwork faster than the wait time at the DMV...

huzz1970 | 18 July, 2014

whoops, forgot, our fee for registration- about $37, plus the $25 for the vanity plate. She said that it would decrease by about $4-$5 per year, but it "won't go below $5"- woo hoo!
I thought about my 350Z on the way home- it was fun, but burned up about $3000 worth of gas, plus maintenance plus plus...
Now, I figure about $400 per year for electricity if I pay for it all. And, maintenance with the Scottsdale gang is something like - "Hi, I would like to have the battery shields installed" and "Fine. Do you want us to pick it up, or do you want to bring it in?" - almost a trick question! I can just imagine GM or Mercedes dealers working like this (I have a very active imagination ;<) )

CraigW | 19 July, 2014

Azdcmoney,
I hope you don't mind, but I pasted your anecdote into an email to send out to my friends.

Yes the two lines, "She asked how does it go? I said like a bat out of hell!" and "The supervisor said drive it forward, I moved it ten feet forward, got out, she said I didn't hear anything it must be electric go ahead and give him his plates." were worth reading through all the threads this morning.

mcdonalk | 19 July, 2014

If I register the vehicle at a AAA office, how is the AZ state sales tax handled? Does AAA take care of that, too?

Brian H | 21 July, 2014

Heh. Suggests a contest for best answer to, "How does it go?"
1. Like greased lightning.
2. Like a greased pig on a water slide.
3. Faster than a speeding bullet, almost.
4. ...

jnpl2 | 21 August, 2014

Has anyone registered a new Tesla in the past month or so in AZ? It seems like the registration fees may have increased to 1% of list price? We are due to get our Tesla next month and I just want to be sure we know what to expect.

Thanks!

Alex K | 21 August, 2014

@jnpl2 | AUGUST 21, 2014: It seems like the registration fees may have increased to 1% of list price?

Registration fees have not increased. The fees are based on assessed vehicle value and are 60% for conventional vehicles and 1% for Alternate Fuels Vehicles. Registration is $4 for every $100 of assessed value. See http://www.azdot.gov/mvd/VehicleServices/Registration/alternative-fuel-v... for an explanation of the charges. You are generally looking at $40-50/year in registrations fees.

AmpedRealtor | 21 August, 2014

@ jnpl2,

As far as I'm aware, EVs qualify for reduced registration rates that allow for five year registration under $200. When you speak with MVD, make sure they understand that this is an AFV (alternate fuel vehicle). MVD regularly misquotes registration fees over the phone to EV owners because they don't understand that an EV falls under the AFV guidelines. There is another slightly confusing classification in Arizona of a "neighborhood electric vehicle", which sometimes causes confusion because the Model S does not fit that category.

Here is the relevant page:

http://www.azdot.gov/mvd/VehicleServices/Registration/alternative-fuel-v...

johncrab | 21 August, 2014

I've gone down this road and EVs definitely qualify for greatly reduced registration fees, almost to the point of why bother? I'm not complaining after all the car fees I've paid over the years.

Regarding the sales tax, I've had discussions with my lawyer who set out several ways we can go on the city tax. If you think at this point I'm trying to be a pain in the backside to the tax man, go to the head of the class. Since the sale did not take place in any AZ city, we can go to court on this basis. I'd have to pay the tax and then sue the city to get it back. This could take years but it could be fun and might set a precedent. On the other hand, I live in PV but have a Scottsdale address. I'll probably be billed by Scottsdale which has a lower tax. I can pay that and shut up. If I challenge the tax and lose, then PV would want the tax and I'd have to sue Scottsdale to get back what I paid to them and then pay more to PV.

Decisions, decisions. All things considered, I'm thinking of paying Scottsdale when they send me a bill and hoping PV doesn't find out about it for 180 days when it will be "that ship has sailed" time.

I live near Scottsdale Road and Lincoln (let's change either the spelling of Lincoln or bacon some day) and I see more Teslas than I see in La Jolla. I'm in SAN now and saw two pearl white MS side by side yesterday near Liberty Station but that's a rarity. For a state like AZ that doesn't allow Tesla to sell cars, we certainly do have a lot of them. Then again, there is money there and precious little on which to spend it. :)

AmpedRealtor | 21 August, 2014

@ johncrab,

Thanks for your post, I've wondered about the legality of cities charging a sales tax on something that was not purchased within the city limits. Personally, I don't feel the state should be allowed to collect sales tax on Teslas either, seeing as how the state has banned Tesla from selling directly.

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