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SUPERCHARGER LOCATIONS (EXISTING/PLANNED) -- NORTHEAST US: PA NJ NY CT RI MA VT NH ME

SUPERCHARGER LOCATIONS (EXISTING/PLANNED) -- NORTHEAST US: PA NJ NY CT RI MA VT NH ME

My intention with this thread to is offer confirmed (evidence based) information on existing and new supercharger locations in the Northeast AS WELL AS TO offer encouragement to Tesla to remedy the dearth of SuperChargers in the region. This is a huge and relatively compact market for Tesla: the population of the Northeast is 56 million, 18% of the total USA. Yet, the population centers of Boston, Hartford, and Philadelphia are inadequately connected -- and links to Montreal and Toronto are completely missing.

Just 4 new superchargers will do this:

Sturbridge, MA (should be a no-brainer)
Edison, NJ (which is underway)
Albany, NY (who knows what is going on there)
Canandaigua, NY (midway between Albany and Toronto) (This would also serve Buffalo and Rochester)

High payoff for 4 new SuperChargers (one of which is underway, so really 3). How 'bout it, Tesla?

UPDATE: 07/17/2014: if you add the population of Quebec and Ontario, this area is home to 77 million people. But much of the area remains WAY under served. Grateful for Tesla Motors recent post that the Quebec to Toronto corrodor is scheduled for Superchargers but this needs to be connected to the 95 corridor. When complete, a potential market of 77 million people will have access.

UPDATE 04/13/2016: It's taken a long time BUT! a minimum coverage of the Northeast is finally in sight! Two SCs are currently under construction, Harrisburg PA and Southampton NY. The Harrisburg site is critical for connecting Pittsburgh to Philadelphia on the PA Turnpike. There are five -- 5!! -- other SCs under permit, two of which will solidify connections between Montreal and Quebec City to points south (like Albany, NYC, and Boston). The other three make things easier between Buffalo and Cleveland, the MASS Pike, and finally, the one way up in Rivière du Loup, QC, where my Grandfather happens to be buried (honest!). I have been very critical of lack of progress to date so it's important to give credit when due.

Last gap is the I-80 corridor in northern PA to connect Ohio and Pittsburgh to NYC and all points further to the east.

Duffer | 13 February, 2014

Add my vote for all four, especially Sturbridge. BTW, the Supercharger map on the TM website shows two of the NJ dots moving slightly to the West when the slider is moved to the "Coming Soon" position. What's up with that?

2-Star | 13 February, 2014

Also add Portland and Bangor ME.

plusplusjames | 13 February, 2014

I would think that the first three above are really essential to fixing the missing links between the big cities in the region.

A second tier of superchargers would make the whole region accessible:

A) 3 in the North Country stringing across Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine (like White River Junction, VT, Tilton, NH, and Falmouth, ME would be great examples).

and

B) 4 in Pennsylvania: 3 along I-80, west, central and east, and 1 on the PA Turnpike near Bensalem.

The region would be covered. 56 million people within reach of a SuperCharger. Hope it doesn't get crowded.

jordanrichard | 13 February, 2014

Theoretically, the concentration of SCs should be denser here in the Northeast, due to all the hills. Yes I know there is regen on the downslope, but traveling to VT/NH/upstate NY, etc., there is a serious elevation change heading up that way.

It would be interesting to learn how Tesla determines where to put the SCs. Do they send out a scouting team/car to do some recon. to see what real world usage would be?

plusplusjames | 13 February, 2014

I would think population/potential market would be the key. Not really that complicated.

With these 4 plus a few in PA tier, you would have coverage from Pittsburgh to Boston, Toronto/Montreal to Philadelphia.

jordanrichard | 13 February, 2014

True. My line of thought was that car (ICE) "X' gets "x" mpg in say Texas, but that same car would get "v" mpg here in the Northeast. So the same would apply to MSes. So the distance the SCs can be in TX won't work here in the Northeast.

plusplusjames | 13 February, 2014

Interesting argument for bunching them closer together up here. Though Texas does have hills, in the hinterlands.

Ragtimer | 13 February, 2014

We also need something between Philadelphia and Somerset, PA, the current PA Supercharger at Exit 110 on the Turnpike. An overland route from the Newark, DE SC to Somerset is 229 miles by Google maps, Going all the way south to Baltimore, then picking up I-70, is 240 miles. There are some hills along the way - that's really stretching range. Something around Harrisburg, near the I-81 and I-76 junction? Please?

plusplusjames | 13 February, 2014

Pennsylvania really needs 7 Superchargers. So far, it only has 1, in Somerset. I think there is one being built in Cranberry, north of Pittsburgh. But this is a big state.

Along the PA Turnpike, you need one near Harrisburg and one in the east by Bensalem.

I've already mentioned 3 along I-80.

kenj | 13 February, 2014

The Albany, NY (87 Thruway/Northway) issue is all about the requirements of rest areas to be bid.

The Charge/NY initiative has free chargers at many different locations. No level 3 (DC). The best solution would be to allow a bid for DC charging that includes all Level 3 options. The CT thruway rest stops appear to have all EVs covered. The Merritt, Greenwich CT only has SC.

Otherwise Tesla will have to have the off Thruway solutions -- but still close to the road. The new pre packed SC seems to be made for those installations.

hbh24 | 13 February, 2014

Tesla has already presented their site plan for six chargers for the Colonie Center Mall in Albany, NY. They presented the plan to the Albany County planning board who referred to the local planning board.

The Supercharger map shows another supercharger planned for Syracuse, NY as well as Buffalo. Syracuse, in my opinion, is a better location than Canandaigua, NY because it is at the intersection of two interstates, I-90 and I-81, and there is a major mall near this intersection. Syracuse is also in the middle of planned Albany and Buffalo, NY superchargers.

ztayl | 13 February, 2014

Albany NY

I visited Colonie Center in Upstate NY. And knowing the lay of the land with the I-87 (referred to as the Northway) and the I-90 crosspoints, I can't think of a better place. Great eating and shopping within walking distance. (It's at the South end of a mall that has been repurposed to be the "downtown shopping" for the Albany area.... We goofed big time on a project called the Empire State Plaza. But that's one for another day.

Anyhow. The site. It's nice. Plenty of things are close by including a Sears Service Center that carries tires, portable DC chargers, "Fix a Flat" and the like. They're also a full service dealer... But I wouldn't want my Model S within 500 ft. (When striking up conversation, the guys were unaware of what a Tesla was let alone the Model S. I had to first inform them it was a car company. I'll spare you the pain of my description of how an all electric system works..). There's also Wholefoods 400' away. An entire modern Mall connected to that. A SBUX across the street.... The list goes on..

By the facts:

i saw a standard shipping container 53', much too far from the (under construction) Wholefoods to be of any consolation for that project. Along side the container a big rig trailer sat as well. It looks as if the site is staged for Supercharger Construction. The trailers are parked sideways across 53' of parking spaces as to be reserving the spot. And the storage container is marked by the name of an Electrical outfit. All very promising. The best part? It's 2mi from my office. Woot woot!

i will call the Town of Colonie and see if I can turn up more info or confirmation (I'm going on word of mouth). Having been raised in the construction industry, it's safe to say all systems will be go after the ground thaws. I have a few token photos of the container. I'll see if I can get them up later. Best! -Z

@kenj there is only one rest stop with anything other than picnic tables in that are (I've lived here 30yrs). Also the single rest stop in question is not near the I-87 so it wouldn't be the best. Colonie Center is all I keep hearing.

wizexo | 14 February, 2014

Would certainly love to see Sturbridge, Southern New Hampshire and Maine get some Superchargers.

BrassGuy | 14 February, 2014

wizexo +1
I too would like to go skiing for a day.

kenj | 14 February, 2014

++hbh24/ztayl That is awesome news.

I was just at the Desmond last week for a conference -- stayed at Homewood Suites (because they had charging -- free!).

odellj | 14 February, 2014

I'm surprised there are no chargers along the Mass Pike (I-90). There are very nice rest stops at Charleton and Natick. I asked the Watertown SC about this and they felt the winter weather was a factor in the notable absence of chargers in the Bay State. Doesn't sound right...

jordanrichard | 14 February, 2014

Odellj, you are correct, it's doesn't sound right and that's because it isn't. Here in CT we now have 3 locations with SCs. That was talk about one going in at the Auburn Mall, exit 10 I believe. It's an relatively easy on and off for both directions of travel on the pike.

bonaire | 14 February, 2014

Some good sites are: Binghampton, Syracuse, Buffalo and maybe Williamsport, PA to allow NY to western points.

AoneOne | 14 February, 2014

@georgiagrind: There's a state highway route from the Somerset SC to the Newark DE SC that's only 218 miles and doesn't take any longer than the faster, but longer highway routes.

Taking the Baltimore route, you can stop at the Hagerstown MD SC and keep your legs to 135 and 107 miles. No problem, even with hills.

teslawiki.net has a good map of the supercharger rollout.

bonaire | 14 February, 2014

In Buffalo, make sure they install one charger at the Anchor Bar, home of the original Buffalo Wing. Great spot to spend an hour. It is also about two blocks from where I was born.

Rob C | 15 February, 2014

With two retail stores in Toronto alone, Telsa needs to connect this large market through Detroit to Chicago. As nice as it is, we have to be able to leave the city sometime.

theapple | 17 February, 2014

In the interests of providing encouragement, I think Portland, ME and either Concord, NH or White River Jct, VT are most essential to allowing free travel throughout New England. For me (in MA), it's not just skiing but also visiting family/friends and plenty of spring/summer/fall activities too. Luckily, these are still on the 2014 map (previously winter 2013), but I hope we see them sooner rather than later.

tes-s | 17 February, 2014

You are missing Sturbridge MA. Can't make it to Portland ME from another supercharger without it, and even Concord NH is a stretch.

Of course, if MA is the center of the universe, then no need for superchargers there. :)

JstACarGuy | 17 February, 2014

Having an SC at the sloatsburg rest stop at the beginning of the Thruway would be great as well. This way going into and out of city you can get a quick pick me up.

plusplusjames | 19 February, 2014

@tes-s: Sturbridge is covered up top. It's essential for NYC-Hartford-Boston-New Hampshire/Maine. An alternate would be Springfield, MA which would be great for NYC-Hartford-North Country (Vermont/New Hampshire).

@JstACarGuy: Sloatsburg would assist Philadelphia-NJ-Upstate NY-Vermont journeys.

There are a lot of missing pieces in the Northeast. It's strange that there has not been more roll-outs here which would have a great impact on visibility and useability.

tes-s | 19 February, 2014

Not sure Springfield is a good alternative to Sturbridge. It would be a detour for anyone heading from CT/NY/NJ/PA and other points south up to Botson/NH/ME.

jordanrichard | 19 February, 2014

They need both the Sturbridge/Auburn SC and one in the Springfield area. Springfield would take care of those heading up 91 into the "north country". Sturbridge/Auburn would take care of those heading to Boston on the MA Pike.

podoffice | 19 February, 2014

@ztayl@icloud.com The worst part about Colonie mall is the parking. Anytime remotely close to any holiday parking there is nearly impossible. You put superchargers there and people will start parking there with their SUVs just to go do their shopping.

Crossgates mall has a little less of a parking issue but the traffic around Crossgates has a lot to be desired.

Either mall geographically would work and are the obvious places to put a super charger if you aren't going to have it at a highway rest stop.

mikeadams | 19 February, 2014

Anyone drive by the Cranberry, PA supercharger location recently and can report if it appears to be near completion? I plan to take a trip to DC in about a month in my 60Kwh model S. I am sure it will be done by then, but just curious on the progress.

Eknight47 | 19 February, 2014

Still can't take the MS skiing from Boston. Hooksett would be a nice spot because folks could charge up there before they head north on 93, 89 or 91.

A little off topic, but it would be incredible if the ski resorts started installing charging stations in their lots. Plug -in in the morning, go skiing for the day and come back to a fully charged vehicle....

plusplusjames | 19 February, 2014

I have made this request at Hunter Mountain.

When you visit your favorite ski hill, stop by the marketing department and make a personal appeal...

BrassGuy | 19 February, 2014

I have to abandon my MS for a day trip tomorrow. Side trip to ME, then ski for the day in NH. Looks like a total of 400 miles for me. 2014 map shows what looks like a SC near Portsmouth, NH and Portland, ME. Either of those would have been good enough for the trip.

I called Attitash (which PlugShare shows has J1772, Nema 14-50 and HPWC) but was told they are only for hotel guests. *sigh*

Eknight47 | 19 February, 2014

I have made the personal appeal at Sugarbush. They said there has never been demand for one until my request.

plusplusjames | 19 February, 2014

I was first at Hunter too. Ooops, I mean "Untah."

Vanguards preceed hordes. :)

plusplusjames | 19 February, 2014

@BrassGuy: Not an option for you to try Attitash for an overnight? Looks like a great reason to stay on the lift for more runs...

Bighorn | 20 February, 2014

@podoffice
Haven't lived in Albany in years, but what about Northway Mall--used to be less congested than Crossgates or Colonie Center. Or maybe Stuyvesant Plaza?

BrassGuy | 20 February, 2014

@plusplusjames My weeknight schedule ruled out an overnight, weekend full, and my son goes back to school next week. Weather was fantastic for skiing today, but not driving the MS was a big disappointment.

Really need a SC north of Boston.

Suturecabre | 23 February, 2014

For PA, I was thinking near Mid-County Interchange in Plymouth Meeting....This would not only serve east-west I-276 PA Turnpike, but north-south I-476 Turnpike Extension as well. It's the largest and most used of all the exits on the turnpike, and could also support traffic coming to/from I-78 a little farther north. It's also very close to King of Prussia, another heavily used interchange that also connects to toll-free I-76 going to Philadelphia.

In fact, I would be all for a King of Prussia area SC as well....It has the second largest mall only to Mall of America in this country, many out of town visitors, and could serve all the turnpike traffic above too. Tesla even thought it prudent to place a store there and service center nearby so I must not be too far off base!

tesla.mahedy | 23 February, 2014

Where, if anywhere can you charge at Lake Placid/whiteface? Coming from either NYC or Syracuse NY.

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LMB | 23 February, 2014

(LMB spouse)

@KalOrtPor - KofP or Plymouth Meeting is too close to town; it would be clogged with locals most of the time. I think near Harrisburg serving the PA Turnpike and I-81 would make more sense.

tes-s | 23 February, 2014

+1 @kalorport. I stay overnight there all the time, and a SC would make it much easier with my MS. Sometimes I go to KOP and use their HPWC; other times I take my ICE.

pbleic | 23 February, 2014

Natick sales guy says Concord NH is almost complete. Total BS I think. The map for 2014 has Hanover NH, which would work if heading to VT, but NOT if heading to the lakes up north. We really need to do something about NE.

tes-s | 23 February, 2014

How about New Canaan, CT? Only 15 miles from Greenwich on the Merritt, but they are in the process of closing them for a year-long complete rebuild. Wouldn't it make sense to put 4 stalls on each side while they are under construction?

Not really needed now, but in a year when there are double the MS and another year when it doubles again, it would be nice to have.

I think most people would stop at the first one - and if full, go on to the next one 15 miles down the road.

pbleic | 23 February, 2014

Just sent this to supercharger@teslamotors.com

We need all the NE vacationers to do the same (but write your own letter ), and maybe they will see that there is a great potential market here.

I just bought my Tesla and I am in my very excited phase, telling all my friends about it until it arrives in April. I have many friends who are possible buyers, but there is a consistent reason why they all say "no thanks." That is, the inability to travel to major destinations in New England. As you know Bostonians like to travel in the winter to ski, and in the summer to vacation. They ski in Northern VT, New Hampshire, the Berkshires and Maine. They summer in Cape Cod/Martha's Vineyard, the northern lakes region, the Berkshires, and the coast of Maine.

The Tesla Supercharger network completely misses almost all of these destinations. Here are my suggestions:

1. Skiing in New Hampshire/summer in Lake Winnepesauke, Squam Lake: It is essential to have a supercharger for this purpose in TWO locations: 1. Concord, NH and West Lebanon, NH. Rumor has it that these are planned, but the map only shows West Lebanon. Without Concord, it is impossible to get up to the Lakes region and to North Conway, etc.

2. Cape Cod/MV/Nantucket: You definitely should put a supercharger in Cape Cod. Ideally, in either Woods Hole and Provincetown, or at or between the Bourne and Sagamore bridges.

3. Maine: Please ut a supercharger near Bar Harbor or Freeport.

4. The Berkshires. You definitely need a supercharger in Sturbridge to catch the westbound travelers AND to boost New Yorkers headed for the rest of New England. One in Springfield would also help.

Thanks for listening.

MassX1317 | 23 February, 2014

@pbleic

You are spot on. I wonder how Tesla decides where the superchargers will go. I would think the best thing to do would be to ask the current owners.

2-Star | 24 February, 2014

@pbleic,
For those going to Bar Harbor area:
Sturbridge, MA
Portsmouth, NH
Portland, ME (near 95/295 exit)
Bangor, ME (near 95/395 exit)

Bar Harbor itself is too far off the "beaten track".

pbleic | 25 February, 2014

Great response from Tesla. I am impressed.

Thank you for your email and feedback. Our Northeast team is currently working hard to develop routes throughout New England as quickly possible. You will be happy to know that all of your suggested locations are currently on our radar and being worked on by our development team. Please stay tuned for upcoming announcements. You can also make any specific site suggestions here so that our developers can easily access the information.

We appreciate your enthusiasm and support of Tesla and our Supercharger technology.

Thanks,
Tesla Supercharger Team

Brian H | 26 February, 2014

Yeah, that response is about as good as you could ask for.

plusplusjames | 26 February, 2014

Jeez, really!

Thom EM | 26 February, 2014

Same response to my priority suggestions. I suppose they identify a cluster of sites and then start working on them. More or less resistance in various locales probably determines whether or not and the order in which they get completed. Apparently NJ is dragging heels badly, but that figures considering that they control all the NJ turnpike gas stations and don't allow self-service in the state (I believe). Maybe Tesla will have to provide connector jockeys to satisfy the Turnpike Authority?

I suggested the following things I haven't seen on the map or mentioned elsewhere:

Nanuet NY, at the upper end of the Garden State Parkway, is a major nexus of traffic across the Tappan Zee bridge, which is a nice alternative to the GW bridge (especially if Christie is messing with it). Could we all get behind such a location? There's a Mall between there and the bridge.

It seems one can get from Sturbridge to Lebanon/Hanover NH, or Plymouth NH, or Portland/Freeport ME, without putting SCs in Portsmouth, Manchester or Concord. And then it's possible to make it from those to points in Canada (Montreal, Sherbrooke, Frederickton/Saint John) without additional SCs inside the US. I suggest that those points could be populated on a second pass, after connecting up with the mountains and Canada.

It gets tricky distinguishing between a destination and a transit point in northern New England, because there are such big stretches of rural countryside between major cities, without the usual suburban malls etc.

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