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Benz | 4 September, 2013

Norway is the first country in Europe to have 6 Supercharger locations, just like California was the first state in the US to have 6 Supercharger locations.

Benz | 4 September, 2013

I think that as from September 1st, 2013, per week at least 200 Model Ses will be shipped from fremont, California to Europe.

Brian H | 4 September, 2013

Without the sun. It will never stick. The Coldifornia of Europe, maybe.

rch1708 | 4 September, 2013

Yeh, but California's coastline was not designed by Slartybartfast.

Car-El | 5 September, 2013

TRUE

GeirT | 5 September, 2013

Coldifornia? I like that :-)

Benz | 5 September, 2013

I just meant in terms of EV's that are being driven in California compared to other US states, and in Norway compared to other European countries.

Benz | 6 September, 2013

And it's also good that more EV models are being offered by the car manufacturers.

Benz | 6 September, 2013

The BMW i3 is one of the latest nice EV's for example.

Benz | 7 September, 2013

I am already looking forward to all the news that will come from the IAA Frankfurt.

vouteb | 7 September, 2013

it seems that Benz is havig a forum with himself........

:)

Brian H | 7 September, 2013

European tastes are that different?

Benz | 7 September, 2013

Well Brian, I think that the BMW i3 will outpace the Nissan Leaf in 2014 (in worldwide annual sales figures). The Nissan Leaf is a nice EV as well. But I do think that the BMW i3 will sell in higher numbers. We will have to wait and see what the real (monthly) sales figures will be during 2014.

sethvandermeer | 7 September, 2013

Yes Brian, European tastes are that different. You hardly see any US cars on the European roads, we do not think they look particularly good.

As for the i3, we bought one, or better: my wife bought one. She loves the design and finds it very feminine, a bit like the new Mini. After having seen it in real life I have to say that it has some beautiful design aspects. I love the interior. The outside looks a bit odd, but is cute in a way. It will fit my wife and many other ladies well I believe.

Benz | 8 September, 2013

Every country has it's own preferences (in all matters). The world is very diverce. That's in our nature, and I think that's a good thing.

mario.kadastik | 8 September, 2013

Ugh, not all Europe agrees though. I find the i3 abhorrently ugly. As does the Leaf, the Volt, the MiEV etc. The first true electric car with looks is the Model S (sorry, but never really liked Lotus so not a lover of the Roadster). Then again I also find Aston Martin and Maserati good looking and Maserati as I understand is somewhat the design motivation for the Model S. Oh and the concept pics of i8 look even weirder. It's like they took all the designers and engineers that didn't play well together in the corporation and assigned them to the EV department and forgot about them.

Benz | 9 September, 2013

The future sales figures of the i3 will speak for themselves. By the way, just for the record, I am not saying that the Model S and the i3 are competitors of each other. Although both are EV's, they serve different customer segments, in my opinion.

Benz | 9 September, 2013

And I don't think that the i3 is that much feminin. I think that both men and women will like the i3.

krissu | 9 September, 2013

It seems that most people tend to forget that with EV-s you have to make a compromise between looks, space, range and price. Leaf does not look very nice for most of the people, but space inside is the best you can do. The raised roof in back looks weird, but rear seat comfort is excellent. When you take Volt and S, then drag and looks really hurt space in back compared to similar sized car. I would have bought model S 40 if it would have been available in Europe, because I do not need more range and would have liked to get it 10000 cheaper. The trick for me would be to be able to choose the size of the battery, also for plugin hybrids. Most of us drive daily same distance 20-50 miles, then you can choose, that pure electric range covers it(or you can charge also at work). This enables you to cover 90% of your driving on electricity without range anxiety. Volt is into this direction, but space in back is the dealbreaker for me. With Outlander PHEV we have a really good outlook, just the pricing vs pure gasoline makes the financials still a challenge. Also 2 separate drivetrains make it less efficient, heavy and expensive. Tesla S 25 with range extender is the car I look for. I know that Rex alone does not produce the power needed, but knowing that you will be on rear occasion driving more than you have battery range, you can switch it on immediately at the start of you trip. That should be the solution for Gen III to keep the price down. Just needs a small click in Elon's principles. i3 is again closer to perfect solution, just the size of the car is again the dealbraker, can't be the only car you have.

Benz | 9 September, 2013

Everyone will his/her own opinion about the BMW i3. And that's good.

Benz | 9 September, 2013

Am looking forward to all the EV news from the IAA Frankfurt Motorshow.

Benz | 9 September, 2013

EV news:

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Volkswagen launches bold offensive for age of electric mobility.

• Group sets sights on market leadership in electric mobility by 2018
• Multi-billion investment in new technologies, 70,000 employees trained
• Initially choice of 14 electric and hybrid models by 2014
• Winterkorn: "We are starting at exactly the right time".

The Volkswagen Group has set its sights on global market leadership in electric mobility. "We are starting at exactly the right time. We are electrifying all vehicle classes, and therefore have everything we need to make the Volkswagen Group the top automaker in all respects, including electric mobility, by 2018", Prof. Dr. Martin Winterkorn, CEO of Volkswagen Aktiengesellschaft, said on the eve of the 65th International Motor Show in Frankfurt am Main.

Winterkorn is convinced that Volkswagen is strongly positioned: "We have the most comprehensive approach to tomorrow's mobility. From highly-efficient, eco-friendly diesel, gasoline and natural gas-fuelled engines to classical hybrids, purely battery-driven vehicles and plug-in hybrids - no other automaker can match the broad range we have to offer." The company wants to win new customers with electric vehicles that are technically mature, practical in everyday use, safe and affordable, and is showcasing models such as the all-electric e-up! and e-Golf as well as the Audi A3 e-tron plug-in hybrid and the Porsche Panamera S E-Hybrid, also a plug-in model, at the auto industry’s leading motor show.

According to Winterkorn: "The electric car cannot be a compromise on wheels, it must convince customers in every respect." He said that environmental compatibility and sustainability were increasingly becoming the main purchasing criterion: "From the zero-emission city car, through the plug-in hybrid all-rounder to the three-liter sports saloon: It is our customers who decide for themselves just how much e-mobility they want." He went on to say that electric-drive vehicles were a key building block for achieving the ambitious climate protection targets, and that the plug-in hybrid had the greatest market potential.

Initially, a total of 14 models from several Group brands will be available with electric or hybrid drive technology by 2014. If there is sufficient demand, up to 40 new models could be fitted with alternative drivetrains. Winterkorn underscored that Volkswagen had placed electric mobility "at the center of the Group": "We have developed the know-how for electric motors and battery systems at our own components plants, we have recruited 400 top experts for electric traction and qualified almost 70,000 development, production and service employees in this new technology – the biggest electrification training program in our industry."

The Volkswagen Group invests over seven billion euros in research and development each year. A significant share is spent on developing technologies and components for electric mobility – more than in any other field.

The key to rolling out electric mobility swiftly and efficiently across all brands and vehicle classes is the modular toolkit systems which from the start have been designed for assembling electric drives. Production in Bratislava, Puebla, Wolfsburg, Leipzig or Ingolstadt can now respond flexibly and at low risk to demand as it arises and can reduce both weight and costs through the use of proven components.

According to Winterkorn, anyone who genuinely takes ecological responsibility seriously goes one step further: "We must have a holistic mindset and a comprehensive approach to mobility – from generating energy through development, production, retail and vehicle operation right down to recycling. Our clear goal, therefore, is to lead with holistic, modern mobility concepts."

In Europe, Volkswagen Group brands currently offer 420 model variants with maximum CO2 emissions of 130 grams per kilometer, 302 models emitting a maximum of 120 g/km, 50 models emitting up to 100 g/km and 23 models emitting 95 g/km or less. The Volkswagen XL1 plug-in hybrid has the lowest emissions. The world's most efficient series production vehicle has CO2 emissions of 21 g/km, consumes 0.9 liters of fuel and has a range of 500 kilometers, making it the company's technological spearhead.

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That's good news.

Benz | 9 September, 2013

Here is a direct link to that official Volkswagen statement:

http://www.volkswagenag.com/content/vwcorp/info_center/en/news/2013/09/e...

Brian H | 9 September, 2013

Elon will be relieved; he doesn't have to do it all himself!

Brian H | 9 September, 2013

Note that most of these projected cars are conversions:
"fitted with electric" power trains. Still not "getting it". Trying to leverage existing plant and design.

Benz | 9 September, 2013

@ Brian H

I remember Elon Musk saying: "Accelerate the Advent of Sustainable Transport".

Benz | 9 September, 2013

After Volkswagen who follows next?

krissu | 10 September, 2013

For sure VW goes to right direction, this Golf platform was designed to be able to use also electric powertrain. Today still with not so competitive range and battery technology, but the volume gives nice edge on the market vs small producers. Now you can easily see why Elon does not rush with Gen III. This target group is not willing to pay premiums in volume for beeing green or innovative. It has to be really great product with good price to sell in volume and compete with big players. In addition consumers have to trust EV-s and specially batteries, that these last long and replacement cost is sensible. Only time will tell, today EV-s will make financially sense only with help of taxation policy. In Europe big part of taxes on cars and fuel go into roads. State still needs money to build and maintain roads, giving taxbreaks to EV-s it has to find another source for that or start to tax EV-s as well. Thats also why I do not buy Tesla shares, it's politics, not only finance. US itself has given warnings, just take the EV1 or laws against selling cars in internet in some states, thats just politics of certain interest groups, coming from oil companies or car dealer unions etc.

Benz | 10 September, 2013

OK, but which auto manufacturer will be the next to follow into the direction of EV's?

krissu | 10 September, 2013

None, EV-s are no business itself, but an image builder and testfleet. Toyota is the only one taking hybrids and new tech into entire fleet creating a good image, VW and BMW are getting there. Nissan has failed to create green image for the brand with Leaf. Hondas hybrids are joke. Lets see who really will be running ahead, looks interesting, different big players have chosen different path.

Benz | 10 September, 2013

In the mean time, more than 75,000 Leafs have been sold already. And the demand for the Leaf is rising steadily. Same thing happened to the Prius in the first few years. And look how many Priusses are being sold now.

More EV's and Plug-In's being sold means less ICE's being sold. And that's good.

OleJA | 10 September, 2013

Last *week* There was 133 new Model S registrations in Norway. That is the frist place followed by VW Golf with 118 cars!

Benz | 10 September, 2013

@ OleJA

Where have you found that the information of weekly new Model S (and also VW Golf) registrations in Norway?

OleJA | 10 September, 2013
Benz | 11 September, 2013

@ OleJA

Thanks for sharing.

Do they report on a weekly basis? Or is there some other source that publishes these weekly car registrations in Norway?

Car-El | 11 September, 2013

@Benz

www.ofv.no

Benz | 11 September, 2013

@Julius

I have clicked on the link of the Regist......

And it looks to me that these are monthly registration figures.

But our friend OleJA was talking about WEEKLY registration figures, right?

And I cannot see those there.

But it's in Norwegian, and that's different than Dutch or English or German. Maybe that's the problem.

If you can see WEEKLY registration figures, then please let me know. Thanks

Brian H | 11 September, 2013

Last month, 185, 17th place.

Car-El | 11 September, 2013

@Benz

I think You have to "log in" as a user of OFV to get more data as week, day, petrol, diesel, 4X4 and other information about registrations in Norway.

Benz | 11 September, 2013

@Julius

Can people from outside of Norway log in as well?

Car-El | 11 September, 2013

@Benz

NO! Not even Norwegians people have aksess. Only companyes who pay a fee at 6000Nkr or 13000Nkr a year have aksess to this data.

:-( DAMN!

Benz | 11 September, 2013

That's bad news buddy.

Benz | 11 September, 2013

Even Kia is introducing an EV next year: the Kia Soul.

Benz | 11 September, 2013

The best news from the IAA in Frankfurt is that Mercedes Benz has shown us that atonomous driving is possible: Mercedes Benz S500 Intelligent Drive. Now that's what I call innovation.

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