To melt away the Arctic ice, it will take a lot more than 274 deg. K!
See the 2019 summertime temperatures north of 80 deg. North latitude? Same as the 1958-2002 mean!
Attn: All of you global warming zealots
Is this real? Are you silly socialists actually trying to get this bill passed?
The problem is your time scale is too short. You're not looking far enough back. Decades is not long enough. But its easier to perform character assassination and label everyone global warming alarmists or zealots so that way you dont actually have to talk about anything. Much easier to dismiss what people say with character devaluing statements. Its easier when you dont have to address what people say, as you have been doing.
weather is not climate
Idiotic Environmental Predictions
Walter E. Williams
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Idiotic Environmental Predictions
The Competitive Enterprise Institute has published a new paper, "Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions." Keep in mind that many of the grossly wrong environmentalist predictions were made by respected scientists and government officials. My question for you is: If you were around at the time, how many government restrictions and taxes would you have urged to avoid the predicted calamity?
As reported in The New York Times (Aug. 1969) Stanford University biologist Dr. Paul Erhlich warned: "The trouble with almost all environmental problems is that by the time we have enough evidence to convince people, you're dead. We must realize that unless we're extremely lucky, everybody will disappear in a cloud of blue steam in 20 years."
In 2000, Dr. David Viner, a senior research scientist at University of East Anglia's climate research unit, predicted that in a few years winter snowfall would become "a very rare and exciting event. Children just aren't going to know what snow is." In 2004, the U.S. Pentagon warned President George W. Bush that major European cities would be beneath rising seas. Britain will be plunged into a Siberian climate by 2020. In 2008, Al Gore predicted that the polar ice cap would be gone in a mere 10 years. A U.S. Department of Energy study led by the U.S. Navy predicted the Arctic Ocean would experience an ice-free summer by 2016.
In May 2014, French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius declared during a joint appearance with Secretary of State John Kerry that "we have 500 days to avoid climate chaos."
Peter Gunter, professor at North Texas State University, predicted in the spring 1970 issue of The Living Wilderness: "Demographers agree almost unanimously on the following grim timetable: by 1975 widespread famines will begin in India; these will spread by 1990 to include all of India, Pakistan, China and the Near East, Africa. By the year 2000, or conceivably sooner, South and Central America will exist under famine conditions. ... By the year 2000, thirty years from now, the entire world, with the exception of Western Europe, North America, and Australia, will be in famine."
Ecologist Kenneth Watt's 1970 prediction was, "If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000." He added, "This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age."
Mark J. Perry, scholar at the American Enterprise Institute and professor of economics and finance at the University of Michigan's Flint campus, cites 18 spectacularly wrong predictions made around the time of first Earth Day in 1970. This time it's not about weather. Harrison Brown, a scientist at the National Academy of Sciences, published a chart in Scientific American that looked at metal reserves and estimated that humanity would run out of copper shortly after 2000. Lead, zinc, tin, gold and silver would be gone before 1990. Kenneth Watt said, "By the year 2000, if present trends continue, we will be using up crude oil at such a rate ... that there won't be any more crude oil."
There were grossly wild predictions well before the first Earth Day, too. In 1939, the U.S. Department of the Interior predicted that American oil supplies would last for only another 13 years. In 1949, the secretary of the interior said the end of U.S. oil supplies was in sight. Having learned nothing from its earlier erroneous energy claims, in 1974, the U.S. Geological Survey said that the U.S. had only a 10-year supply of natural gas. However, the U.S. Energy Information Administration estimated that as of Jan. 1, 2017, there were about 2,459 trillion cubic feet of dry natural gas in the United States. That's enough to last us for nearly a century. The United States is the largest producer of natural gas worldwide.
Today's wild predictions about climate doom are likely to be just as true as yesteryear's. The major difference is today's Americans are far more gullible and more likely to spend trillions fighting global warming. And the only result is that we'll be much poorer and less free.
too many words
I think its gullible to think that CO2 alone will cause catastrophe. Although, when we have another impact hopefully we will not forget everything we have learned about our planet.
"too many words
- for a limited intellect, yes.
- for a group-think hive mentality, yes.
if you post it a third time I will read it
Your time scale is too short to be arguing in terms of climate.
It looks like Hadron Collider and other climate change deniers are not getting the Nobel Prize this year. The Nobel committee thinks lithium ion batteries and a less burning of fossil fuels is the way to gohttps://www.nbcnews.com/mach/science/nobel-prize-awarded-inventors-lithi...
We all know who thinks he should win:https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/24/politics/nobel-prize-trump/index.html
You like graphs right? So do i.
Andy, the temperature looks pretty stable in Greenland during the past 10,000 years according to the O2 isotopes graph you posted. It clearly shows the Glacial period before the mild Holocene. It also shows the previous Interglacial period about 110,000 years ago. That Interglacial was actually warmer than our current Interglacial or Holocene.
@Andy. I guess the weathermoron thinks they were driving cars and burning fossil fuels 110,0000 years ago
I see two massive warming spikes around the younger dryas. Thats what i find interesting.
The Pleistocene Epoch of 1M years ago was very warm! I recall seeing actual video footage of a woman* clad in a leather bikini, running around with a spear, etc. Had to be pretty warm, doncha think?
*Raquellus welchii, IIRC.
I dont know the relevance of looking farther back than when humans existed.
Hey SCCRENDODO. that's the point! There weren't any cars and fossil fuels 110,000 years ago. Yet the previous Interglacial was WARMER than the current mild Interglacial we are living in today!
Andy, if I am not mistaken, the younger dryas occurred around 10,800 to 10,000 years before present. The previous Interglacial temperature spikes about 130,000 to 110,000 years before present were considerably higher according to the graph you posted.
HC, I think Raquellis welchi brought us out of a glacial period!
we agree on that mitch
The significance of that graph are the two warming spikes around that 10000-11000 years ago range where the ocean levels rose hundreds of feet in a matter of weeks.
Despite Trump’s plan to shut down the EPA the data will still be publishedhttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fired-epa-scientists-release-air-po...
Andy, that is why I think that is where the "Great Universal Flood" story came from. The Bible is not the only source for this Great Flood story. Cultures all over the world have a Great Flood story. We were coming out of a Great Glacial Period and a whole bunch of ice melted at a rapid rate, flooding and wiping out much of our early civilization living along the coast world-wide.
I agree. Past civilizations have tons of references to massive floods or doomsday events. I have been reading about this stuff alot the last couple years and i think we're shooting ourselves in the foot by ignoring this. After the Greenland crater was found, its starting to become much more clear that we had some sort of an E.T impact that caused those huge warming spikes which are on the magnitude of 10-15 deg C, and melted massive amounts of the glaciers. It all kind of makes sense too, being that past civilizations at that time would have most likely been near the coastline, which is now 400ft under water. The story of Atlantis, i dont see how thats unrealistic. We just havent found the proper evidence yet.
Now ain't this some funny stuff. Californians are using gasoline powered generators to charge up their Teslas!
Even Fox understands climate Changehttps://apple.news/A_a9vphjaSZqAqb5Xq3HMTw
Kind of ironic that they shut off power in Northern California to prevent fires, but then one happens in Southern California and was caused by something else. Hope everyone is safe and that they dont need to make FEMA claims in No California for something that they knew was preventable but. PSG did nothing to prevent.
Indeed. Preventing climate change decreases the risk of fires
Planting trees reduces the chance of global warming. Except for when the trees catch on fire! What is wrong with that utility company? Why werent they trimming the trees around power lines? Ca has really high electric rates too, so you would like to think that they would use the funds to maintain the areas around the lines. Who is running the company- former Enron employees?
T-2018, I think PG&E was prevented from trimming trees around the power lines due to the wacko California environmentalists!
SCCRENDODO, mountain glaciers are a function of snowfall. On the hemispheric scale, very little change is observed with snowfall over the decades.
Also T-2018, I assure you, FEMA will come to the rescue of California. Californians think FEMA should only rescue them, not anybody else! As proof of my statement, look how utterly disgusted the California Forum participants were when FEMA helped Texas out!
Plus, my flood insurance premium I pay every year helps pay for California disaster relief!
What are you? Some sort of malware Pask1984?
Hello again SCC. Just as a point of reference, the temp is going up to 30F today in Barrow. Average for October 11 is 23F.
Prediction for Barrow is above freezing (two days above 36F) Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of this week.
My friend on Denver said it was 80 the other day and going down to about 10 the next day.
I still waiting for a nighttime low in the 60s in Florida so that my air conditioner doesnt keep turning on in the middle of the night.
Silly Sabby was yakin' about PABR. Here is a larger scale view of Arctic temperatures.
Probably someone testing a new spam bot that bypasses the CAPTCHA
Arctic temperature anomaly compared to the previous 10 years.
Mercator projection chart of 60 deg. South to 70 deg. North.
Month of August by the way. Again, 10-yar temperature anomaly.
Antarctic 10-year temperature anomaly chart - August.
As you can see, there are relatively warm and cool places all over the earth and changes from year to year. Global warming alarmists will point to the warm areas as proof of human-caused global warming while at the same time ignoring where it got colder.
Arctic temperature data indicates all of the recent multi-decadal warming has occurred in the winter months.
There is no warming in the summer months. It will be difficult to melt away the Arctic ice without any warming in the summer. The NSIDC has already showed us that the Arctic ice decline has leveled off in the last decade.
"The ice is melting" mantra is nothing more than a hysterical rant.
I guess our weathermoron is still struggling with factshttps://apple.news/ADQTNcOohRICk4iE2pQ7jhA
You guess wrong SCCRENDODO. I'm not struggling with anything related to climate. You are struggling with the fact that there is nothing alarming or unusual about today's climate compared to the past.
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