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Why China cases are halting

Why China cases are halting

1: China could have an antidote
2: Misreporting
3:The virus is spent
4: Hoax

1: Antidote: If it was indeed created in a Wuhan lab, it figures they may have already produced a cure.

FISHEV | 20 March, 2020

Here's how China and Korea got the pandemic under control.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/how-the-us-can-defeat-...

Here's US projections for a US not even close to "Some Control Measures" most importantly mass testing to find those infected so they stop infecting others.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/20/us/coronavirus-model-us-o...

FISHEV | 20 March, 2020
rob | 20 March, 2020

I wonder if it is partly due to the use of Favipiravir? Anti-Flu drug developed in Japan but may help w/ COVID-19

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/coronavirus-japanese-flu-drug-could-be-e...

rob | 20 March, 2020

@Ross1
"1: Antidote: If it was indeed created in a Wuhan lab, it figures they may have already produced a cure."

When I first heard about a lab in WuHan I pictured a guy in full PPE opening the cage door of an infected bat and it just flies out an open window. "Ho Li Fuk!" then nonchalantly acts like nothing happened.

FISHEV | 20 March, 2020

"Under Fire For Coronavirus Response, Trump Officials Defend Disbanding Pandemic Team"

https://time.com/5806558/administration-officials-fight-criticism/

Why US response was not like Koreas successful response.

"How South Korea Scaled Coronavirus Testing While the U.S. Fell Dangerously Behind."

https://www.propublica.org/article/how-south-korea-scaled-coronavirus-te...

FISHEV | 20 March, 2020

"South Korea learned its successful Covid-19 strategy from a previous coronavirus outbreak: MERS"

https://thebulletin.org/2020/03/south-korea-learned-its-successful-covid...

Ross1 | 20 March, 2020

@rob:
The lab sold the test animals at the local food market for human consumption

FISHEV | 20 March, 2020

"The lab sold the test animals at the local food market for human consumption"

It was a fish market. To your original question of who gets care.

“They look at the criteria — in this case it would likely be age and underlying disease conditions — and then determine that this person, though this person has a chance of survival with a ventilator, does not get one,” Ms. Sauer said.

“This is a shift to caring for the population, where you look at the whole population of people who need care and make a determination about who is most likely to survive, and you provide care to them,” she said. “Those that have a less good chance of survival — but still have a chance — you do not provide care to them, which guarantees their death.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/us/coronavirus-in-seattle-washington-...

Ross1 | 21 March, 2020

Fishmarket, uhuh.

vswendsen | 21 March, 2020

Reporters in China who cover this have a tendency to disappear. This outbreak makes the government look bad so they are trying to limit reporting. Lots of underreporting.

FISHEV | 21 March, 2020

"Fishmarket, uhuh."

You are free to make up whatever stories you want. Fact is it was the Wuhan Fish Market where they traced what they think is the first case. No one will ever really know. If you like conspiracy theories, you might want to get on one of the Chinese websites, they have their own conspiracy theories which, considering Trump's ideology and corrupt character is more "likely". "Likely" as applied to conspiracy theories which means a fantasy to comfort oneself that someone is in control even if evil.

"It’s widely accepted, including by the head of China’s Center for Disease Control and Prevention that the virus originated in Hubei. However in recent ​weeks Chinese officials have started suggesting or outright claiming that the virus ​did not ​originate​ in China, but perhaps in the US​, a conspiracy theory that is gaining traction​."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/first-covid-19-case-happen...

We have just been lucky that MERS, SARS, EBOLA and other virus did not cause a similar pandemic.

What needs a real investigation is considering the US went to war over fear of biological weapons, the trillions spent on war and "Homeland Security" to counter this threat, the US is completely unprepared for a more virulent coronavirus, a common virus type. Who failed the nation by spending money on aircraft carriers when the real need was respirators, hospital beds, temp hospitals, food distribution etc..

Trump firing of the pandemic response team right before it hits, while sheer ideological incompetence, that fits a the Chinese conspiracy theory that US started it for a crisis so Trump can declare martial law and postpone elections in a vast right wing conspiracy to end US democracy in favor of Russian style oligarchy.

Since you can't prove or disprove origin, you can certainly prove who spent money on aircraft carriers vs. actually building the infrastructure in the US to deal with a biological attack. Work on that.

sabbia | 21 March, 2020

@Fish
"Who failed the nation by spending money on aircraft carriers when the real need was respirators, hospital beds, temp hospitals, food distribution etc.." You can buy a lot of respirators for the price of an attack jet. BTW, it's still not clear whether Trump has used his was powers authority to order respirators from manufacturers.

As to Chinese conspiracies, if you want to believe it was one, then your leader fell for it. "The United States greatly appreciates [China's] efforts and transparency. .. In particular, on behalf of the American people, I want to thank President Xi."

FISHEV | 21 March, 2020

sabbia | March 21, 2020. BTW, it's still not clear whether Trump has used his was powers authority to order respirators from manufacturers.

It is actually.

WASHINGTON — President Trump and his advisers have resisted calls from congressional Democrats and a growing number of governors to use a federal law that would mobilize industry and provide badly needed resources against the coronavirus spread, days after the president said he would consider using that authority.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/20/us/politics/trump-coronavirus-supplie...

That was one of first thing Korea did to get production of test kits. It is the last thing Trump did and even then in an ineffective way.

jimglas | 21 March, 2020

Fish is always right

Mike83 | 21 March, 2020

4 days in a row with no new cases in China. China is sending ventilators and masks to the EU but maybe not the US as Trump insulted them calling it a Chinese virus(political games never stop with these dudes who can't govern)

jimglas | 21 March, 2020

while trump tried to lie his way out of a pandemic:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/20/politics/us-intelligence-reports-trump-co...

SCCRENDO | 21 March, 2020

Fish has been doing a great job on these fora. He knows what he is talking about.

Mike83 | 21 March, 2020

@jimglas This reminds me of Bush who ignored the threat of terrorist attacks and we got 9/11 while he was reading My Pet Goat to some schoolers. The Republicans NEVER look at their own actions but are good at shifting blame.

SCCRENDO | 21 March, 2020

The answer to the question is this a Chinese plot and who is to blame is addressed here
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/19/health/coronavirus-human-actions-intl/ind...

andy.connor.e | 21 March, 2020

eaglespdx is the all-knowing forum god.

SCCRENDO | 21 March, 2020

Whatever you may think of Fish he is one of the few on these threads who knows what he is talking about as regards COVID 19. You could learn a lot from him

andy.connor.e | 21 March, 2020

ya you should talk to him on model 3 section, hes definitely one to learn from.

rob | 21 March, 2020

@ SCCRENDO
I can't understand you. You must have Fish Boners in you mouth.
Clear it out and repeat it.

SCCRENDO | 21 March, 2020

Why rob. What has he said that’s is incorrect on the Covid threads?

Orthopod | 22 March, 2020

FISHEV said that you are not contagious after 7 days having healed from the Covid-19. however the virus can be present is stools for up to 30 days

M-A-B-MCMLXXX | 22 March, 2020

sabbia | March 21, 2020. BTW, it's still not clear whether Trump has used his was powers authority to order respirators from manufacturers.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-prioriti...

What's unclear is the extent.

FISHEV | 22 March, 2020

"FISHEV said that you are not contagious after 7 days having healed from the Covid-19. however the virus can be present is stools for up to 30 days"

What I said was this well not me but CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/if-you-are-sick/steps-when-sic... to discontinue home isolation

People with COVID-19 who have stayed home (home isolated) can stop home isolation under the following conditions:

If you will not have a test to determine if you are still contagious, you can leave home after these three things have happened:

You have had no fever for at least 72 hours (that is three full days of no fever without the use medicine that reduces fevers)

AND other symptoms have improved (for example, when your cough or shortness of breath have improved)

AND at least 7 days have passed since your symptoms first appeared

FISHEV | 22 March, 2020

If you feel CDC's rules are wrong, you should certainly contact them.

andy.connor.e | 22 March, 2020

i've never seen it this desperate.

ProudMartian | 22 March, 2020

China hasn't got the pandemic under control. They don't tell truth and often they don't know the truth due to so many corruptions of local/central government. We should not trust any numbers Chinese government murmrurs.

SCCRENDO | 22 March, 2020

I don’t think anyone truly knows. It’s hard to know where the CDC gets it data on risk from. Indeed it mat stay in the body for 14 days but that may not mean someone is infectious. Once we get sufficient testing we may have better answers. I would go with the CDC because they likely know more than anyone else in those country but would like to know how they came up with this recommendation.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/coronavirus-recovery-what-happens...

Ross1 | 22 March, 2020

@ andy.connor.e | March 22, 2020

"i've never seen it this desperate."

I was an alarmist. Once.