I find myself using Creep only when backing into my driveway and turn it off the rest of the time. Trying to keep my foot of the breaks at the traffic lights as well.
What do other people do?
I don't count because I don't have my car yet but the 3 test drives I went on I had to turn it on. Felt strange without it.
I keep it off. I have been driving stick shifts up until Model S though so that could be why I prefer it so much.
I park my car only a foot or so from the wall in the garage and I don't use creep. The pedal is good even if you need to move only inches at a time.
You could volkerize (volkerize.com) "creep" and find lots of threads and postings on it. The consensus seems to be, among those who choose to post (can you tell that I am a statistician?), overwhelmingly in favor of no creep.
I agree with the consensus. One gets used to it quickly.
No creep except in bumper-to-bumper traffic.
Had my Signature before creep was available. Whan it was first down-loaded I used it all the time. However, after getting more used to the Model S I found that it interfered with one-pedal driving, and now I only use it on that huge pay for parking lot called, "The Illinois Tollway System." where the top speed seldom exceeds, "Creep."
I always keep my foot on the brake at lights anyway, just in case there's a slight incline that might make the car roll. But I prefer no creep by far.
Not because it's what I'm used to with ICE, but rather because it is a good feature.
"Trying to keep my foot of the breaks at the traffic lights as well."
Why? Is it better to be held firmly in place, or to risk coasting unknowingly? I use traffic lights to do other things, like mess with the radio or daydream. I know that in ICE, the brakes can be hot, and holding the pads on the surface can produce uneven cooling. Don't think that applies to most Model S driving, with our regen braking.
"using Creep only when backing into my driveway and turn it off the rest of the time."
I've had my S for 18 months. I'm no longer interested in fiddling with settings just for fun. I just leave creep on. Creep in my garage, creep in traffic, creep at streetlights.
@KidDoc: Even in a standard transmission ICE, you should have the foot brake applied at a stoplight. So creep should suit you just fine. I hope you weren't/aren't relying on momentum to keep you at a standstill.
To Creep or not To Creep. That is the question. Whether 'tis nobler in the garage to fake the torque converter or accept complete control and by so doing, end the reign of ICE proclivities. To drive, to creep no more and by a creep to say we end the thousand unnatural behaviors that are foist upon us. 'Tis an experience devoutly to be wished. To drive to creep. To creep perchance to rear end a Prius at low speed - ay, there's the deductible. For in that creep of liability what dreams may come when we have shuffled off this Tesla Coil, must give us pause.
@johncrab - a fellow of infinite jest.
I believe most folks start with creep=on, but then quickly graduate to a richer EV experience and set creep=off. Call it an ICE to EV learning.
@johncrab, you are so droll! I was cackling with glee.
p.s. care to post how you chose your forum name in that thread (if your real name is not John Crab, that is).
When automatic gear shifts were invented, creep was a necessary "feature" because of the way the system worked, I bet they would never have introduced this deliberately. Then people got used to it, and even on new systems that were technologically more advanced and didn't need to produce creep, the feature was artificially added to please customers that were used to it. Even Tesla, although fortunately as an optional setting only.
Numerous accidents have already been caused by creep in ICE cars, for example:
- someone has a minor accident, freaks out and panicks, takes her feet off all the pedals. Car starts moving again into traffic, major secondary accident worse than the first one.
- driver gets heart attack, releases pressure on brakes, car moves forward and almost pushes the car in front onto a railroad! (This happened to a family member of my wife's).
If I want my car to go forward, I'll push the Go pedal, thank you very much. That's what it's there for. Cars should not just start moving by themselves just because you don't tell them not to.
And certainly in a Tesla, why would you modulate your speed in traffic using the brakes? Seriously, that's about the least efficient and economical way of driving in traffic. The engine pushing the car forward while the brakes are dragging enough to get the desired speed/acceleration/deceleration, that's nuts!
Funny story, when I went for my test drive, one of the first things I did while the sales guy was explaining the touch screen and other things, was go to the settings menu and switch off creep. He was very surprised and told me I was the first person to do that on a test drive with him :-)
(I had already read the manual online before the test drive)
Then people got used to it, and even on new systems that were technologically more advanced and didn't need to produce creep, the feature was artificially added to please customers that were used to it
Reminds me of Eddie Murphy's theory of how people get addicted to cigarettes and other disgusting things. (I think it's his RAW routine.) I didn't like all of it, but that part was pretty funny as I recall.
Did he say you had made him feel creepy? :)
Thought it would be hard to get used to. But it only took a few minutes. Slightly more efficient and less wear on the brakes. No problems inching into a parking spot, surprisingly fine control for such a powerful machine.
I wouldn't be surprised if the computer had different sensitivity profiles based on how fast you are going.
The very word, 'creep,' is to be associated with ICE. Or drivers who constantly inch forward while traffic lights hold steady at red as if their nudging impatience would provoke the green.
Isn't it quite wonderful to have the option??? I don't but hubby does. . .
You say tomato, I say tomato [hm, that doesn't really work in text, does it?]
@ sbeggs - Thanks. My forum name is just my name cut down to fit the 8-bit world of the olden days. No real originality there. :)
@bobrobert - Those people who stop at a light three car lengths back and then creep constantly during the red are a particular annoyance to me. Such indecision at that basic level must make life very difficult.
@mrspaghetti - I try to being a bit of humor to the forum when appropriate. Glad you got a chuckle.
@johncrab I try to being a bit of humor to the forum when appropriate
It's always appropriate for humor! (Ok, almost always)
No creep - never used it & love driving without it.
I take delivery in late September. I thought creep might be a great way to prevent inadvertent, sudden acceleration as I eased into a parking spot or crawled through an intersection with pedestrians about. I feared that a small error in how much I pressed the go pedal would launch me into full acceleration mode.
As ir suggested, does the computer modulate pedal response to speed, making this a phantom fear?
We have no trouble squeezing into our garage @ 0-1 mph without creep. I find the slower speeds very easy to control w/ one pedal.
@P.Mac - I'm not sure I understand your question, but if you floor the accelerator from any starting speed you will take off like a Falcon Rocket.
The go pedal position is basically logarithmic. The first inch or so of travel generates less forward thrust than my "truck" minivan that I use for Home Depot trips. When I drive the minivan I have to use less pedal for the initial moves. Of course the last half of the pedal is extremely different. (Insert grin here)
@mrspagetti - I think AndyO explained it well. It sounds like the initial inch or so of go pedal travel produces less acceleration than the first inch of an ICE gas pedal. This suggests that I have little to worry about from a minor twitch of my foot when I am in a go-slow environment.
I was reacting to the unusually powerful acceleration and imagining a "hair-trigger" effect in tight maneuvers. In that context, using the brake to modulate a few mph's of "creep" seemed like a convenient way to prevent catastrophe.
Creep is really important, so is shifting, braking, turning a key when you get in, holding rpms above 3k, down-shifting in corners, etc., etc....
I started driving my MS without creep. A few months later my son turned 15 and got his learner's permit. Since he was often learning to drive in my MS and creep is not tied to a driver profile, I left creep on. I wanted the MS to act like any other car he might be driving. Once he started driving his own car I turned creep back off.
I keep creep off at all times. I though I will need it before I got my car, based on what I read here. I only had one test drive and was overwhelmed by "more important experiences" that I didn't remember how parking felt.
The truth is that MS has much more precise accelerator pedal control than any other/ICE car. It does not "jump" on you unless you command it and the response is immediate. With ICE cars there is an ever so slight delay between pressing the gas pedal and something happening that actually makes this process harder. I realized this when I had to re-park an ICE car after already driving my MS for a while. If you push the pedal a little it will go slow. Slower than you can go with ICE, which can be some sort of weird fun on its own.
Now that we have hill assist I don't think there is any use for creep.
No creep, but I was always very anti-automatic transmission. The degree of control the accelerator affords is remarkable. No other car can inch along with such precision. Agree that it's proper to keep one's foot on the brake at a light, but I sometimes don't just to perplex others. I realize the yield is not that high:)
No creep for me, but to have the option... means you get to decide for yourself. Awesome.
I was grateful when creep was added because of the advantage stopping on an incline. Now with the hill holding feature, I'll have to try without it.
@mrspaghetti +1on the tomato thing.
Yes, but the potato is probably best considering the agita.
Creep on - good practice to brake whilst stopped at lights in case you are rear ended...
My last car was a Saab 9000i auto.
When on a steep hill at traffic lights, it was able to hold the car especially when I took my foot of the brake to press the throttle.
On manual cars in the UK we have a handbrake (as opposed to a foot operated parking brake) which we use to hold the car on a hill while we engage clutch and throttle to move off.
(Actually we are taught to ALWAYS put on the handbrake when stopped in case somebody runs into the back of you)
However, my Lexus rx400h doesn't have creep and it can be scary trying to move off on a hill without the car rolling backwards.
I can manage it ok but my wife can struggle with it!!
So I vote for a switchable creep function to use if required.
Wife likes creep and I do not. So we compromised and set it to creep...
I wish it would become a profile setting....
Creep needs to become a part of the driver's profile.
I don't creep, but my spouse creeps because he doesn't drive the car as much. It is a surprise when I get in the car after he has stolen my car and I discover creep is on.
I have to wait until I get to a stop light to put the car in park so I can turn creep back off.
I would think that others who share their car with others would like the regen setting to be a part of the driver's profile too.
Still creeping after all these years.
Take the creep challenge!
This is a great topic that frankly has challenged my sensibilities as I realize that I am more close minded than I thought. I truly mean that. Why?
I got my MS before they did the upgrade where they added creep and I "hated" the feel of not creeping. When the "upgrade" came (hmmm... Can you call going backwards technology-wise an upgrade? Seems like a bit if an oxymoron) I was very excited and immediately embraced the creep.
18 months later, and now I'm ashamed of myself for being so closed minded and not giving non-creep a chance.
I realize now, that I "hated it" simply because it was so different. Silly, I know, because "different" is what a Tesla is all about.
So... I'm going to turn creep of for a while and give non-creep a chance with an open heart and and open mind. I'll report back in a few weeks.
I hope all of you fellow creepers will take the challenge as well.
We used creep for the first few months, then as our control of the go pedal became more finely tuned, we both turned creep off, and feel totally comfortable with it off.
As Bighorn expressed - the precision of the Model S Go Pedal is so good, why cede control?
We leave creep off on mine and my wife's S, and it feels like a much more precise driving machine that way. It only goes when you will it.
Creep was also an ineffective way to get some hill hold. It can easily be overwhelmed with a modest incline.
The new hill assist feature is better for this, and I think they will take that software much farther to handle more diverse needs.
To me, the car is a very nice ride with creep off.
The car I test drove had creep on, and our Camry hybrid has creep in electric mode. I was going to try creep off during the test drive, but learned you had to be in Park to change (why?). I was expecting to use creep when I got my car.
Anyway, before I got the car I read this and other threads about creep and decided to try it off from the beginning. After 6 weeks and about 1300 miles it's still off.
BTW - JohnCrab - bloody brilliant Shakespearean levity. Great post.
My MS is on order, and I don't remember anything about whether creep was on or off for my test drive.
I think I'll want creep off for a very specific reason: When I'm sitting first in line at a stop light, I can hold my foot just over the GO pedal for my rocket ship. Then when the light turns green, I'll not waste any time taking my foot off the brake pedal and moving it to hit the GO pedal to ignite the rocket that powers my car-of-the-future far ahead of the other traffic. I'd guess that the other drivers will not believe what they just saw me do! (Grinnin' big time.)
Early Signature with no creep. When firmware updates gave an option tried it once and went right back to no creep.. No brainer for my wife and I.. Seems much more natural and integrated with the regenerative braking.. Truly makes it one foot driving...