Data monitoring

Data monitoring

With today's negative news all over the media on MS, data monitoring issue has surfaced and begin to get another criticism wave. It is like what Apple experienced with its iPhone. New technology vs. privacy. What do our MS owners react on this issue?

RZippel | July 30, 2013

Will be interesting to see how things are written down for Germany. As data privacy laws to achieve data privacy protection and not just compliance (no offense intended) are in place here they will have to adjust that heavily.

Would be interesting to know if Tesla has planned the right efforts for localization or completely underestimated them or at least the non-technical stuff.

Tom A | July 30, 2013

heehee...I've been on this forum in spurts since probably 2010, and the grammar corrections and snarky replies always amused me.

As the late, great George Carlin once said,"We do think in language, and so the quality of our thoughts can only be as good as the quality of our language."

I think it's a bit more complicated than that, but the fact remains that effective and efficient communication are critical for the expression and communication of ideas. In fact, given the current status of public debate here in the US, I'd take Carlin's idea one step further and say that the quality of a culture can only be as good as the quality of the language.

My mother was a school teacher, so one of her goals was to have effective written and oral communication skills as well as a command of the English language (I was born in the USA). As a result, I appreciate the corrections (and the ensuing banter).

*ahem* back to the original post topic...

Privacy = Good
Disclosure without express written permission = Bad

Captain_Zap | July 30, 2013

9.(i) comply with the law and any and all legal
requirements, including valid court orders and requests
from police or other authorities;

It would be cool if it read just "all legal requirements, including court including valid court orders"

It is the unqualified "and requests from police or other authorities" that bugs me.

Captain_Zap | August 4, 2013
jbunn | August 4, 2013

Forget the NSA. The Tesla Application on Android and iPhone devices are more likely to cause issues that will impact you.

For fun one day when my wife left for work in Nikki (for the first time she ever borrowed the car), I fire up the app. Holy cow, she's going a wee bit fast today. And the location is on a scrolling map so I can see all the terrain you don't normally see from the road. And the wife is running the heat a bit warmer than I like it set.

Bad enough my wife can track me from pub to pub in near real time with my ATM card. Now, I can track her like an elk with a radio collar.

I suspect the Tesla application will result in a few children having their car privileges yanked, and a few discussions among adults about their whereabouts.

Captain_Zap | August 4, 2013

Yup. That is why I don't use the Tesla app. I don't buy Google and iProducts for similar reasons.

avanti | August 4, 2013

Is there no way for the driver to disable the ability for the apps to track the vehicle? If not, this is a MAJOR oversight. ALL of the "find my friends" systems (including the "Find my iPhone" app) have privacy settings that permit the user to turn off tracking. Tracking by Tesla is one thing. Tracking from an app is another.

stevenmaifert | August 4, 2013

@avanti - You can turn off the ability of the Tesla smartphone app to connect and track the car, but Tesla's data collection is embedded software in the car that we cannot access or turn off.

Robert22 | August 4, 2013

Not much you can do about it these days. I'd be more concerned about Prism and xKeystroke.

princemakaha | November 14, 2013

Tesla's gaining market share is at the expense of "big oil" and the major automakers.

There are billions of dollars at stake which is huge motivation for Tesla's competitors and big oil to contrive "incidents" that could have a negative effect on Tesla's success.

Tesla is only interested in the data that can help defend them against non-legit attempts at assailing the company's reputation and has little use for any data collection beyond that.

TV | April 23, 2014

The US Government (NSA) is building a big complex in Utah to house all the information they are tracking. With Apple and other cellphones, all calls, emails, texts as well as locations of users are logged and accessible with the touch of the button. Thank Obama, Bush, and the Patriot Act for their burning our constitutional right to privacy. Second, with ICE cars, OBD3 is a real threat to privacy. Not only is it a "threat", it destroys privacy. With OnStar and other systems, Big Brother can turn on a car or turn it off, track it within ONE FOOT from where it truly is, look at your history, and ultimately, OVERSEE everything we do.
The Big Questions are: Is Tesla restricting this information to THEIR OWN USE, or are they: 1) Giving free access to the US Govt?
2) Apple, Microsoft, AT&T, Comcast all give data to the US Govt. Has Elon Musk agreed to this, or is he respecting our privacy? I just called my salesrep, and until I know the answer, I cannot commit to buying a new Model S. This is HUGE? What is the answer? TV

TV | April 23, 2014

My life is private. Furthermore, where I am & what I do is PRIVATE.

It is worth saying that Tesla is NOT doing anything that all of the other car companies sold to our wonderful government years ago. But unwelcome privacy invaders are still unwelcome. Elon Musk is my hero for providing superior "no oil" products, service, and philosophy, and therefore, the subject of data mining and abuse is painful to think about. I sincerely hope that there is a "Failsafe" mechanism built into the programming of the Tesla cars, so that we can be PRIVATE CITIZENS, and retain our FREEDOM. Once we give up our privacy, it is impossible to get back. Elon, help us protect our constitutional rights please? You are "the man", but why can't Tesla flatly say "We won't do this, and we won't sell your information"? If you read wired magazine a few months ago, the interview with NSA General "whatshisname" (overseeing all data and information) said (paraphrasing>) "We are 'this far' away from having a 100% totalitarian society." Anyone who thinks this is paranoia is just plain stupid.

Tesla Roadster Data Logging described here:

As of 11/9/10, every second of use is tracked/recorded. Here is Jalopnik, which details this. It also describes how one user hacked the info:

How to halt transmission of RF information within the car:
Note: I am not advising anyone to do this. Just for informational purposes. Yep.

The US Govt does NOT use OBDIII in Teslas, because there is no smog to manage. Good. But there are other underlying reasons for OBD3: Tracking, privacy intrusion, control. While I am sure it has been frustrating for our "control freak" Big Brother to realize that OBD3 won't work in Teslas, I am 100% confident that "someone" has approached Tesla and said "Play ball, or your legal issues with "us" are just beginning".

Here is a breakdown on OBD3 (ICE Cars), and what it can do:

I hope Elon embraces the 4th amendment. I have already decided to buy a Model S, but if there are "holes", then I will probably pay a very savvy professional to HACK the computer system in order to keep my personal data PERSONAL and CONFIDENTIAL.

I don't need an OVERLORD tracking everything I do. No explanation could justify breaking the 4th amendment. If we don't start making huge efforts to protect our individual privacy and rights, well...welcome to Socialism and 1984.

I have a call into Tesla inquiring on their current stance on this subject. I use an older flip phone now, because the smart phones are too smart. If I can't get my way with keeping my privacy PRIVATE, I'll reverse my decision to buy a Tesla, and I'll buy a Pristine 1995 ICE car...that only has OBD1. Nuff said.

tes-s | April 23, 2014

1995 ICE is the way to go. Their privacy is nowhere near what you are looking for. I'm surprised you even posted to their website - did you read their privacy statement?

Might want to look at your private information they collect when you use their website.

centralvalley | April 23, 2014

Sounds like Chicken Little is alive and well.