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Just received Model X email

Dear Model X reservation holders,

Falcon wing doors, all-wheel drive, and the most stylish way to combine an SUV’s utility with a sports car’s performance. Model X will be a production car that exceeds the promises made when we first showed the concept.
In the fall, we’ll start building Model X prototypes on a newly expanded and integrated production line at our factory in Fremont, CA. The first Model X cars for you, our reservation holders, will be produced starting in early 2015.

We’re pleased to confirm that the falcon wing doors will be a defining feature of this exceptional car. Not only do these doors look amazing, but they also make getting in and out of the Model X so much easier than would a conventional front-hinged door. You can even do it standing up.
We’ll also deliver a level of functionality and practicality that will exceed what you saw on the concept vehicle. We can confirm that all-wheel drive will come standard for Model X, and you’ll have the option to add a third row of seats to carry more passengers. You’ll also be able to fold down the second and third rows to create a flat platform for storage. When it comes to charging and long distance drives, Model X will be able to take full advantage of our rapidly growing Supercharger network.

These features combine to offer power, speed, and space – all packaged in an all-electric vehicle that looks and drives like it comes from the future.

We’ll have more to say about Model X in the coming months, so stay tuned for updates. Thank you for your confidence in Tesla.

models60 | June 16, 2014

I plan to replace mini-van with the Model X, hopefully the third row seat, be at standard or option, are foldable like the second row seats. Will be curious to see the pricing on X with/without the third row, it's probably not going to be much.

GabrielB | June 17, 2014

Folks have many different needs and expectations. One size rarely fits all, and options help solve the variance. However, I do like the rain protection and free access the Falcon doors provide, and it is a major differentiator and cool factor for the MX. Also in the realm of ultimate SUV's and dynamic stability control for taller vehicles, AWD is, for me, a no brainer. So I am thankful these two items are standard and make the best use of economies of scale.

For me personally (again not all folks), if the car came with 3 rows of seats standard, I'd rip out the third row and leave it in the factory parking lot. In fact, I am hoping the second row is easy to remove (and save) as well, so I can convert my MX into a mini RV so my wife and I can tour the country via all the superchargers. I hope Tesla designs an optional Falcon compatible solar awning so MX is even more camping ready. How about an electric camp stove? Optional of course...

bent | June 17, 2014

I think they should make the third row optionally optional. That way each customer could decide for themselves whether the third row is truly optional or not, and then everyone can get what they want right?

carlk | June 17, 2014

Tesla could just sell the third row seat and make rest of the car option. That should make people who insist the third row seat has to be standard happy?

vandacca | June 17, 2014

@oyvind.hestnes and others:

I think it's obvious that the people complaining about the "optional" 3rd row revelation is because they wanted the 3rd row seats and now they are going to have to pay more for it - although it's unknown how much more yet.

I too was disappointed at first, but after some reflection, it makes more sense to make it optional so that there is less weight (greater range) for those that don't need a 3rd row. I just hope (and expect) that it will be easy to add the 3rd row after purchase. Who knows, maybe there will be an after-market 3rd row seat possibility too.

With regards to making the AWD optional, it sounds like Tesla has come up with a solution that makes AWD integrated and fundamental to the Model-X. They claim that they engineered a solution where the range is equivalent to a RWD Model-X. Tesla has been trying to figure out a multiple-gearing system to improve efficiency since the original Roadster, and I believe they have finally managed to do it by adding a 2nd motor. 2 motors, 2 gears. :) Cute and simple.

Oh yes, the Falcon Wing doors are also integral to the Model-X, so forget about it being an option too.

--Dan

TeslaLABlue | June 17, 2014

More Model S perspective:

A lot of us thought the model S would be 55-65k for a well configured car.

Price is more like 90-100k for an average well configured Model S.

Things can and will change with the model X. The process will be much smoother for the progression and production of the Model X.

Sin_Gas | June 17, 2014

Glad to hear that 3rd row seat is available. The X5 has it as an option but I have only seen one with it--most do not. For me, it keeps me in the game. I would not be a customer for one if it did not have this as an option. Its worth something to me to have. BMW charges $2500 in the X5. No idea how much it will be on the Tesla X.

Gary

Alex K | June 17, 2014

My concern for an optional 3rd row is that it will be a designed as an afterthought and not be as aesthetically pleasing as if it were designed as part of the car. The only saving grace, for me, is that the 2nd and 3rd rows can be folded flat.

CarlE_P439 | June 17, 2014

+1 carlk. Wah wah wah!!

Tiebreaker | June 17, 2014

Popcorn!

TonyInNH | June 17, 2014

Personally I'm glad to see the 3rd row as an option. I plan on getting the X because I plan on only having one car and want it to be big enough if I need to load it up. A 3rd row, even one that folds down, would take up more space. Given Tesla will only have two models the safe bet would be to make the newest one appeal to as many people as possible. I believe that to be the reason the chose to make it optional in the first place.

Plus it'll save me a few bucks :)

Brian H | June 18, 2014

Roamer;
Wrong competition paradigm. TM is not "making" the others compete over the grocery-getter market. They are choosing that. TM wants and is trying to promote high end and value competition. Not only doesn't it think the market is limited, it wants to EV-ize everybody, regardless of who does the best job of it. So far, the willing horse is getting the whole load.

Red Sage ca us | June 18, 2014

Reposting from elsewhere: SUV, crossover, van, wagon... I tend to think of those as different vehicles, different configurations. Ultimately, I guess it is fine that Tesla Motors will allow Customers to 'roll their own combo' with the Model X.
2nd Row Bench Seats/Stowable
2nd Row Captains Chairs/Removable
3rd Row Included/Fold Flat/Removable
3rd Row Optional
I think I have finally gotten over my initial shock at this, and I'm good with it now. ;-)

Roamer@AZ USA | June 18, 2014

@Brian, My comment said nothing about "making, the others "choose" to go small", Tesla chose to go top end.

"Tesla has gone after the top end of each market. Sports car, Full size sedan and now X crossover market. Brilliant strategy as all the other car makers fight over the low end limited range grocery getter market. It's a smart strategy to start with the high end of the market if you have a product as good as Tesla and a limited number of cars you can make."

The reality is that right now longer range EV's cost more. If it costs more and you can only make small numbers then targeting the top end of each market seems to make sense. Tesla is planning to bend the cost curve down with experience and volume. Not sure how fast or how far that cost can be improved. Gen III will answer that question. I am betting Gen III will not be as low cost as people think or are expecting.

In the mean time everyone else seems content to dabble in the EV market with dorky looking grocery getters. Why do the legacy car companies all think an EV has to look like an EV........

Roamer@AZ USA | June 18, 2014

Dang iPad small screen. Quotes got all misplaced, but I am sure you get the intent.

Red Sage ca us | June 18, 2014

Roamer: I'm betting that Tesla Generation III will indeed meet the price range, at least for the bottom-of-the-line version, strictly because Tesla Motors will not have 'independent franchise dealerships' in the way, boosting the sales price by an additional ten or fifteen thousand bucks. I expect the Ford Focus Electric would probably cost below $25,000 if they could sell it direct.

I think a GIII price point of $34,900 is achievable at the start if you factor in future savings over the course of several years of Gigafactory production. Because if that works out to $26,175 or less total manufacturing cost per vehicle over eight years of its production, you have your 25% margin right there, though it may be on the back end. Tesla would be fine even if the beginning margin were only 6%, or $32,806 to build each base level car. I'm pretty sure it will definitely be better than that. ;-)

babstude | June 18, 2014

why is everyone so hung up on the 3rd row as optional ?? it's a great idea - there are likely many consumers who don't want the 3rd row and more space.

I'm fairly sure the 3rd row isn't going to be a mickey mouse arrangement like the MS currently has - it'll be the setup we saw on the prototype.

personally i'd prefer that the AWD be optional - I don't want AWD if it's going to sacrifice range

Tedsla | June 18, 2014

A friend and I (both with X reservations) did not get the e-mail. How high(or low) did they go in the queue? seems like those of us in the 6000 plus and above did not get the message.

jjs | June 19, 2014

I'm sig res holder 631 and did not get the email. Not sure of the method they used to select who got the email.
I have received numerous other emails from Tesla so I know they have the proper email address.

barrykmd | June 19, 2014

I'm in the 63xx range and I got it. Check your spam folder?

jjs | June 19, 2014

Yes. It is not in junk/spam.

madodel | June 19, 2014

I have Model X Sig reservation number 1,096 and I received the Model X Update email. This is the first email I have received from Tesla since I reserved it in January. Do others get regular updates from Tesla?

As to the third row, I've had a third row in my Highlander Hybrid and haven't used it in probably 4 of the past 6 years I have owned it. Once my kids got older there just wasn't the need any more so making it optional is OK with me.

vandacca | June 19, 2014

@babstude, AWD will never be an option, it is tightly integrated into the Model X design. Fear not though, there will be no sacrifice in range. The added weight is compensated by added efficiencies by using a different gear ratio on the front motor. One motor will be used for low speeds and higher torque, while the other smaller motor will be used for higher speeds.

Elon indicated that they managed to get similar range with an AWD design as with their original RWD design, through some smart design choices.

--Dan

jjs | June 19, 2014

OK. Just got the email. Not lost in cyberspace as it was dated today at 4:51PM CST.

georgehawley.fl.us | June 19, 2014

Here's what I got from Tesla 10 days ago after complaining that the website lacks detail re:Model X and is out of date.
"We will begin production and deliveries of the Model X at the end of this year. Closer to that time, we will make the vehicles available in our showrooms for our fans to see in person and will have specifications regarding options, configurations, pricing and other details such as the ones your requested. Later this year you will receive an email inviting you to sign into your MyTesla Account to begin configuring your Model X, at which time we will have pricing of Model X and its options, along with details such as the ones you requested made available."

OK. I'll wait. One cool thing though. Tesla will have a store in a new mall that is being built nearby. As I am retired and have nothing better to do while waiting for my MX, I think I'll just hang out there as a "fan" after they open in October and bug them until they kick me out. :-))

NumberOne | June 19, 2014

Well, I am not retired, but I also have nothing better to do than waiting for my Model X. @georgehawley. Perhaps you should consider getting a part time gig as a product specialist when they open.

georgehawley.fl.us | June 19, 2014

I have already offered to be an MX beta tester. I was politely turned down.
This whole experience is going to be a lot of fun.
I have always been something of an early adopter and am convinced that Tesla is a game changer in ways the behemoths of the auto industry and industry analysts can't comprehend. I think Tesla, if they continue to execute, has a chance to turn the industry upside down much as Apple did to cell phones. And, as a bonus a lot of fossil fuel and resulting emissions will be spared. Good deal.

Brian H | June 20, 2014

vandacca;
"tightly integrated"? The first designs had the option for non-perf MXs of single motor.

jjs | June 20, 2014

In case you thought Telsa has stopped following the forums, they have not.

Just got a very nice call from a Customer/Reservation Experience Team member inquiring about the difficulty I had in receiving the email referenced in this thread.

Nice.

As posted earlier, I did indeed eventually receive the email so there was no issue/follow up.

Just nice to know they a) follow the forum and b) and occasionally reach out based upon content to assist.

vandacca | June 20, 2014

@BrianH, you are correct that the original design was a rear-wheel drive Model-X, with an option to have a second motor up front. However, since then things have changed. They decided to make the front motor mandatory, likely because they plan to use the front motor for highway cruising, due to improvements in gearing efficiency. The rear motor will likely be used for high torque applications, like low speeds.

That would mean that the front motor is absolutely necessary for every Model-X sold. That's what I meant by "tightly integrated".

Did that make sense? I'm currently on some strong antibiotics, so I may not be as coherent as I'd like.

--Dan

carlk | June 20, 2014

@vandacca That makes perfect sense. Unlike ICE car with a single engine you can completely turn off one electric motor when needed and use no overhead other than the slight weight increase.

@Roamer Tesla want to sell a lot of low cost GenIII but low cost is just the mean and not necessarily the goal. If Tesla can make the GenIII so good that they still can sell half a million of them at $50K then by all mean they should do it. Judging from what I heard a lot of Accord or Camry owners, not to mention C class or 3 series owners, would jump to the opportunity to buy a mini-MS at that price.

Tedsla | June 20, 2014

MX Res #9184 - I have not received an E-mail. I rechecked my email address on my profile. It is correct.

gdubcobra1 | June 22, 2014

Third row option is great! I love having choices. Putting 7 people in my MX, not a chance. MX without falcon doors? How boring is that? Tesla is a tiny company, they don't have the robots to configure several variations of the model.

Roamer@AZ USA | June 22, 2014

@carlk, It really is a supply and demand situation. If you can only build say 100,000 cars per year and have 150,000 customers willing to buy at that price it would be silly to lower the price so you have 500,000 willing to buy the 100,000 cars.

Tesla should price the cars at a level that balances production capacity with potential buyers. It accomplishes nothing except to frustrate customers to price it lower and not be able to satisfy the demand at that price.

Also if Tesla really has a grand vision of encouraging others to enter the market the best way to do that is to make great profit margins on each unit. Nothing attracts competitors like the smell of higher profits.

So it would be short sighted to make it affordable and unavailable verses reasonable and possible to obtain. Price it too low and you will have to have a monthly lottery to earn a buyer slot while leaving huge profits on the floor.

I do not expect Gen III to be sold at a price as low as some seem to think. Ultimatly demand and availability will create the price point.

Red Sage ca us | June 22, 2014

Roamer: Maybe I'm missing a nuance here, due to the limitations of communicating with a keyboard over the internet... But it seemed to me that carlk was actually agreeing with you. I find it hard to argue your logic as well, though I'm willing to try a little. ;-)

"Tesla should price the cars at a level that balances production capacity with potential buyers."

I think that is exactly what they will do. I believe that there will be a 100,000 unit minimum annual capacity from the very get-go for GIII. I think that even if 100% of those sold at $34,900 each, it would make for a hefty profit for Tesla Motors. I also believe that fewer than 5% will get the base version of the platform. Almost all buyers will go upscale.

So yeah, Tesla will offer it at that base price, but that isn't what people will pay to own one. I expect that the average price paid will hover in the range of ~$50,000 or so. That will be for the version of the car that starts around $42,900 with option packages added, or for the base version maxed out with convenience features. A heavily optioned performance model would likely tip the scales right at ~$60,000 or so.

Basically, this works out to be the same ratio as with the Tesla Model S. A car that 'starts' around seventy thousand, often sells for around one hundred thousand instead. People then get the heavily optioned performance version for about one hundred twenty thousand.

"I do not expect Gen III to be sold at a price as low as some seem to think."

People that use them as company cars may be OK with the GIII base model, which would maybe cost $36,900 to buy, including Supercharging. It will be very interesting to see how Tesla handles leasing arrangements though. If they are very aggressive, it could be as low as $300 per month. My guess is they would instead look for about $500 per month on a 36 month lease. I think all leased cars would probably be Supercharger enabled, and would make up perhaps 10% of the fleet.

I fully expect that a car optioned the way I would want would cost a whole lot more. Biggest battery pack on offer for maximum range, with Supercharging included. Make it a proper 5-passenger coupe, with falcon wing doors, and a liftback. Give me all wheel drive, and arrest-me red paint. Please resist the temptation to use 22" or larger wheels & tires. Sticker it at $59,900 then shut up, and take my money.

Roamer@AZ USA | June 22, 2014

@RedSage, You are correct, I was not disputing Carls statements, merely expanding on them.

I also concur with your comments that there will be an entry level car that will likely be optioned up. With online ordering and the ability to customize the car it is very easy for a customer to increase the final sale price.

I am not real interested in the Gen III so I have not invested much time in analyzing what is possible. Based on that I will go with your numbers.

Brian H | June 23, 2014

RS & R;
Disagree about the pricing. If supply/demand was in control, TM would have raised the price until demand was driven down to match supply. Instead, demand is being allowed to rise without constraint! ;)

vandacca | June 23, 2014

@BrianH thanks for disagreeing with RS & R. There was way too much agreement going on in this thread. ;)

--Dan

jjs | June 23, 2014

I agree.

jaanus.kaljusto | June 23, 2014

Hello everyone!

A line from the last e-mail from the Tesla Motors:

"We’re pleased to confirm that the falcon wing doors will be a defining feature of this exceptional car."

I was one of the first people who ordered Model X in February 2012. Since I heard that Tesla Motors wanted to make Model X with the falcon wing doors, I have been trying to contact someone in charge in Tesla Motors, but without any success - the contact details to the people in charge in Tesla Motors are one of the best kept secrets on the Earth.

Some thoughts about falcon wing doors.

1. I live in Norway where every winter there is an ice and a snow both on the streets (to get car rolling when parking on the uphill street covered with ice you need an AWD car) and on the car roofs. I had once a car with the rear door with sliding vertical glass. When you needed to open the door, the glass had to slide down and when the door was closed, the glass had to slide up againg. Many times in every winter I had a problem with opening the door because of ice cover on the rim of the glass. When I finally succeeded to open the door, there was a problem with closing it because the ice filled after opening the gap in the doorframe.

Model X has a falcon wing door which will elevate not only the sidepart of the door, but even a part of the roof (covered with ice and snow). So there is an imminent problem with opening a door. When the door is open, there will be a problem with closing it because of ice and snow in the cap (defencive mechanisme will be engaged and the door will not close). While you are using a brush to clean up the gap, the seat and a person who is using the seat will be in the mercy of the weather because there is an opening in the roof allowing the snow or the icy rain fall through the opening.

2. The standard garage door belonging to villas in Norway is opening up above the car parking space - in one peace or as a broad belt driven by an electric engine. The space for a car under opened door is usually 2.1 meters (7 ft) or less. So there will be no possibility to open the falcon wing door when the car is parked in the garage belonging to a villa.

It is still possible to open the falcon wing door in the open space or in some public garages (belonging to malls etc.) or in the garages belonging to truck companies or fire departments. When did you park your car in the garage belonging to truck company or fire department?

3. Design. Some (people in charge in Tesla Motors and may be some others) will find the design beautiful. Some will not. It is a question of taste. I have obviously a bad taste, so the design of falcon wing door is not something for me. But without obstacles 1 and 2 ther will be still a fair 50% chance for me to buy a Model X with falcon wing doors. But with ice and snow in Norway all winter long, the chance of buying Model X is equal to zero. I would like to have a car for a joy and pleasure and not for worries and frustration 6 months in the year.

May be I will change my order of Model X against the order of Model S AWD when the time comes. May be. But there are circulating horrifying stories about up to 6 months waiting for replacement parts when those are needed.

The sales and PR divisions in Tesla Motors are obviously superb. But service and replacement division is as for a moment now simply bad. Visionnaries are probably occupying whole buildings in Tesla Motors, but the practicality department might be located to the part of the desk in the basement of the most remote office.

If the decision had to be done tomorrow, I most definitely wouldn't buy a Model X because of falcon wing doors and probably wouldn't buy Model S AWD because of service and reparation times.

If there will be a Model S AWD for me or not when the time comes to make a final decision, depends on how the problems with the service and reparations in Tesla Motors would be solved. I hope that Tesla Motors would not become Icarus of modern time.

Have a nice day everyone!

NumberOne | June 23, 2014

I would not worry about the doors until the first production prototypes are available to be looked at. Especially regarding the amount of vertical space needed for the doors to open. Unless you are first in line, you will have plenty of time to think about it, and there are likely a few people in the US that will have their signature models before the last of the ice and snow next year, and I am sure you will see feedback from them. A lot of thought have gone into engineering these doors, so I would not be too concerned about it.

We also have problems with Snow and Ice, in the US. In the middle states we often have ice storms, with freezing rain that leaves up to an inch of ice on a car. At that point, it really does not matter what doors you have. There is no opening them.

LimawanS85 | June 23, 2014

Did everyone with reservation receive the email or is this just for signature edition only?

ciasc11 | June 23, 2014

We are Sig #741 and have not received an email.

Red Sage ca us | June 23, 2014

Brian H protested, " If supply/demand was in control, TM would have raised the price until demand was driven down to match supply. Instead, demand is being allowed to rise without constraint!"

Uh... Hunh?

Why would Tesla Motors ever want to drive demand... down? I mean, if they wanted their cars to literally be 'only for the rich'... If they wanted to cater to the whims of those who value 'exclusivity'... Why bother even mentioning an intent to release a 'car for the masses' in the future?

No... What Tesla is doing is this... They are making certain that all the world knows electric vehicles can be viable, desirable, and affordable.

So each vehicle they offer will have that in mind, especially when it comes to the release of Tesla Generation III.

NumberOne | June 23, 2014

There is a rumor about some sort of e-mail black hole. It seems that some of the messages about the upcoming Model X went into that. The fact that you have not received a message is not a guarantee that it was not sent.

These messages were likely sent in one batch, and the addresses were not entered manually. Whatever you entered at the time you placed your reservation, was what is in the database at the time the message was sent. If you got a confirmation message after your reservation, you should have gotten the most recent message. If you did not ... well there is that little e-mail black hole.

Tedsla | June 23, 2014

I received a confirmation message when I ordered but did not receive the recent message.

Iowa92x | June 23, 2014

Hey, with duel motors, the front can power the X on the highway while the rear motor captures electricity via regen'.

I kid.

jjs | June 23, 2014

Iowa92x - Great idea. :) However if we get another perpetual motion, energy is free, to hell with the basic laws of physics tread going; I'm blaming you. ;)

Shelmire | June 24, 2014

I ordered the X Signature months and month (maybe a year) ago and got zip in the way of correspondence. Hey guys, put me on the list, please!

Orthopod | June 24, 2014

2,500$ per seat spot in the third row

you got served.

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