Just received Model X email

Just received Model X email

Dear Model X reservation holders,

Falcon wing doors, all-wheel drive, and the most stylish way to combine an SUV’s utility with a sports car’s performance. Model X will be a production car that exceeds the promises made when we first showed the concept.
In the fall, we’ll start building Model X prototypes on a newly expanded and integrated production line at our factory in Fremont, CA. The first Model X cars for you, our reservation holders, will be produced starting in early 2015.

We’re pleased to confirm that the falcon wing doors will be a defining feature of this exceptional car. Not only do these doors look amazing, but they also make getting in and out of the Model X so much easier than would a conventional front-hinged door. You can even do it standing up.
We’ll also deliver a level of functionality and practicality that will exceed what you saw on the concept vehicle. We can confirm that all-wheel drive will come standard for Model X, and you’ll have the option to add a third row of seats to carry more passengers. You’ll also be able to fold down the second and third rows to create a flat platform for storage. When it comes to charging and long distance drives, Model X will be able to take full advantage of our rapidly growing Supercharger network.

These features combine to offer power, speed, and space – all packaged in an all-electric vehicle that looks and drives like it comes from the future.

We’ll have more to say about Model X in the coming months, so stay tuned for updates. Thank you for your confidence in Tesla.

NumberOne | June 24, 2014

It is unfortunate that some people did not get the e-mail. I do feel that the 'black hole' of e-mail is real, and while it also happens with messages that are individually sent, it is far more likely with a mass mailing. Hopefully everyone who did not get the message on June 16th, will get the next one.

In any event, it is not as important as getting your notification when your slot comes up to place the actual order. I made my reservation nearly 2 years ago, and have been driving with Model X plates for well over a year already.

Paul Carter | June 24, 2014

Yea... I didn't get the email either. And I'm #3 Canada on the signature list. Anyhow... got to see the email from another reservation as soon as the first batch of emails went out.

I'm ok-ish with that, yet concerned that the mailing list is either not complete or not working.

Darmok | June 24, 2014

No email for me either, with a res. no. in the low 2000s. Oh, well. I'll just keep telling the wife it's going to be a year before she gets the X, the same as I've been telling her for the past 12 months.

Paul Carter | June 24, 2014

@Darmok, as long as I don't have a 1 year anniversary with my Model S, I'll be elated! Otherwise, I'll just be enjoying the S while I wait.

jdb | June 24, 2014

Thanks Tesla Motors for making the third row optional. It was my major issue with the vehicle design, not needing the third row. And I also cannot understand the griping, customers can still get the third row seating, and the pricing has still not been disclosed so hard to understand how this increases price. | June 24, 2014

I got the email yesterday holding reservation 9,378.

sra | June 24, 2014

I got mye mail a week ago with Si #273.

Brian H | June 25, 2014

Once more, slowly, for the slow:

HYPOTHETICALLY, if TM were to price solely according to maximizing profit under a supply/demand model, given its limited production/supply, it would bring demand down until the two were equal by charging as much as possible. As supply increased, it would drop prices if it ever began to exceed demand. That would boost demand, UC.

Econ 001, the prep course for Econ 101.

Red Sage ca us | June 26, 2014

Oh. OK.

rossRallen | June 28, 2014

I'm OK with 3rd row optional. I don't need it. My thoughts turn to wondering what Sig colors and options will be available.

I agree with the folks in the forum who say "enjoy the ride." It's exciting to be in on the birth of a new class of vehicles. It will all work out, and most people will be delighted if the S experience holds true.

The discussion about modulating power between front and rear drive for cruise and acceleration was a revelation. How cool is that? And, it's typical of the innovation Tesla R&D is putting into this vehicle.

As I said: prepare to have all expectations exceeded.

Sig X #508

bodaddy | July 15, 2014

I say make them all options. Keep the price down for the majority of buyers. That way I will get the car I want. One without falcon wing doors, without AWD, and without the third row seats. No, I am not a reservation holder nor will ever be until Tesla makes what I need. I am a Tesla backer, want the company to grow, will just have to wait.

My Honda Pilot has 75000 miles on it. I've got time.

NumberOne | July 15, 2014

I have great news. They already make something that suits a person who does not want falcon wings or AWD or a third row. It is the Model S, which is a hatchback that has as much storage space as many SUVs. It can even have a roof rack which is not practical for the Model X.

bodaddy | July 16, 2014

You got part of it right, but the model S is a sedan and the X was going to be a SUV. Put them next to each other and one will be taller than the other. I am not going to crawl out of a sedan. It is to low for this older person. My Honda Pilot is perfect, except it needs to have a Tesla drive train in it!

As I said, I am willing to wait. All things good are worth waiting for.

NumberOne | July 16, 2014

I agree on the height thing, which is why I have not gotten the Model S.

Red Sage ca us | July 17, 2014

Model X is a 'crossover utility vehicle', a CUV. Hence, 'X' to mark the spot of crossing. It is not a 'sport utility vehicle', or SUV. You can buy an SUV from numerous other auto manufacturers if you like.

bodaddy | July 18, 2014

Red Sage,

I've followed Tesla since the beginning, it was going to be an SUV. Nothing about CUV. The CUV part appeared later. That is OK. Tesla will make a real SUV sometime in the future. That will happen when the company gets to all the public wanting a electric vehicle. Until then only those that can afford the luxury vehicle will have one. That is a very small percent.

Yes, I feel let down because I want an SUV that does everything my 2006 Honda Pilot does, but with a Tesla drive train. No, you can't buy an electric SUV that does 200 miles on a charge and able to put a rack on the roof, have a normal style door for the back seats, with a fold down third row seat.

The Toyota EV Rav4 was an attempt. If they would change it to a hatch back instead of opening like an old style station wagon and put a larger battery, wait that wouldn't work on that steel frame. It would be way to heavy.

I will wait, someday it will come.

Red Sage ca us | July 18, 2014

Yeah. I agree. There will be an SUV... some day. I expect that once higher capacity battery packs are available for Model ☰, lots of options will appear. My Brother wants the equivalent of a Tesla powered Ford F-150, like yesterday.

jjs | July 19, 2014

A Tesla powered truck. What would they call that?
Model P-Pickup
Model T-Truck
Model 150 (and have Ford threaten lawsuit....again)

I think they should at least start out at Model 150.

Brian H | July 20, 2014

Model 160?

madodel | July 20, 2014

They will call it the Model Y.

Model S
Model III
Model X
Model Y

GabrielB | September 26, 2014

Model ≡50 could work for F-150 or F-350.
By the time the truck comes out (New factory in Texas I bet, as they may not get Gigafactory 2 or 3. But do not cry for Texas, they got a Space-X Spaceport. It's all good...)

So, by the time the truck comes out battery size for the truck may start at 150kWh, so I see:
Model T≡150
Model T≡P150 (Performance AWD)

By this time perhaps "Model" will get old and new conventions will emerge. If Ford has 150, and Chevey has 1500, then certainly Tesla can have ≡150.

So maybe it's just "Tesla T≡150", with a stylized "T≡" medallion followed by 150 or P150.

Red Sage ca us | September 28, 2014

I figure that Tesla Motors could probably make a full-sized crew cab Model P as an AWD Dually with 350/450 towing capability using a 220 kWh battery pack around 2020 or so. It would likely be of unibody construction, like the Honda Ridgeline and Chevrolet Avalanche. It would have fully independent suspension instead of leaf springs. It would have height adjustable suspension. It would have a gigantic frunk. It would have an unladen range approaching 550 miles, and still manage over 300 miles while towing at 55 MPH. It would be... beautiful.

vandacca | September 28, 2014

@Red Sage You had me at "...AWD Dually...". I'd love such a vehicle, but I've waited long enough for the Model-X. My F150 won't last that long. But I love an Electric Pickup! I was kind of hoping that Phoenix Automotive would have begun selling their e-pickups by now.


Red Sage ca us | September 28, 2014

I think that Phoenix Motorcars is another company that only intends to sell to private company and government/municipal fleets.

There is a nice thread in the General Forum that covers the subject:

Tesla Pick-up Truck?

Much of what is written there is in response to an article that appeared at Teslarati:

The very real challenge of a Tesla Pickup Truck

The author of the article was not happy with my criticisms of his views...

vandacca | September 29, 2014

Thanks @Red Sage for referring me to those articles, as I totally missed them. Great to see an interest in electric pick-ups, although I think I've moved on from them for now. Maybe my next vehicle after the Model-X will be the Model-P.

However, I wanted to comment on one particular feature that was mentioned because I feel that people fail to realize something. I very much doubt a Tesla Pickup will have 3-4 power packs since the increase in weight would offset any range gains by having more batteries. One thing people fail to realize is that you can't just keep adding more batteries to increase range. Each new battery you add, will add less and less range until you get to the point where adding one more battery will actually decrease your range (due to the weight).

To illustrate what I mean, realize that the 60kWh Model-S is actually more efficient than the 85 kWh version.

For example, by increasing the battery capacity from 60kWh to 85kWh (~42% increase), you only get a 27% increase in range. And doubling the 85kWh battery may only get a 2% increase in range (this is pure speculation, just using this example to make a point). There exists a sweet spot where you can maximize the range for the number of batteries onboard. Sure, you can add more batteries to increase range, but the cost (both in weight and dollars) begins to outweigh the benefits (diminishing returns). So, the trick to improved range is not to add more battery packs, but rather increase the energy density or decrease the battery weight.

I'm sure someone at Tesla made these calculations and used that to decide the 60kWh and 85kWh battery packs. With improvements in battery technology (e.g. higher densities with the same weight), they'll be able to make bigger capacity battery packs, while maintaining a similar physical size.


Red Sage ca us | September 29, 2014

Well, the effect of diminishing returns is solved by time. According to JB Straubel lithium ion battery technology improves in energy density by 100% every ten years on average, and that he doesn't see that trend going away over the next two decades. The batteries used in the Tesla Model S were developed for production in 2010. So by 2020 it would be possible to build a 170 kWh battery pack, using the same number of battery cells that were in the original Model S.

Since a truck has a longer wheelbase, you could bump that up to 220 kWh, using only ~29% more battery cells than were in the Model S 85. I figure a Tesla Model P would be configured similar to the Ford F-Series 6.5' box SuperCrew, and those have a 156.5" wheelbase. The Model S wheelbase is only 116.5", so that is a 34% difference. Plenty of room for a longer battery pack filled with improved battery cells.

So rather than having three or four times as many battery cells as the Model S, and the weight penalty that entails, a truck could have 259% as much energy stored in only 29% more batteries. Yes, I have considered the possibility of having even more batteries, either pancaked in a secondary pack underneath the first, or lining the bottom of the frunk, or installed in the vertical wall behind the cabin... But the truth of the matter is that at 220 kWh, it would be more than 'enough' to get an electric pickup truck to the mass market.

vandacca | September 29, 2014

@Red Sage: I highly doubt anyone can predict what Lithium Ion battery improvements will be in 10 years, since they've only been commercially available for 20 years. There just isn't enough history there.

However, I agree that the only way to improve range is by improvements in battery chemistry. You can't simply brute force a solution by throwing more batteries at it.

One exciting area is Lithium Thionyl Chloride batteries. They use these batteries up in space and other critical applications. They have energy densities over 4 times higher than the best Lithium Ion batteries, but price is less than 2.5 times that of Lithium Ion. I would love to see a Tesla running on these batteries!


Khagge1 | September 29, 2014

Just got in line #13566. Damned excited to do my daily driving in the new rocket ship. Totally OK with whatever configuration as long as the third row is viable (five kids). Love the idea of taking some risks as an early adopter. Can't wait to tell my grandkids how I supported this sea change in transport. Besides, when you computer 120K total vehicle costs the X is a steal even if it goes up to $110K.

carlgo | October 9, 2014

Per the truck talk, yes the truck could have lots of batteries. It could go 1000 miles. It would weigh 3 tons and cost $200,000! No thanks, I'll take more Superchargers instead, lots more.

A good roadworthy truck is good for me, but not a giant one. And it must have a decent suspension. I will not spend that kind of money for a 1902 suspension system.

Sadly, Tesla trucks are probably a long ways away.

Red Sage ca us | October 14, 2014

The main point I make about a Tesla Pickup is that it is necessary to go after the big boys first. Truck owners are most impressed by hauling ability. With the natural torque of an electric motor, it would not be hard to start off with a Class 3 or 4 electric pickup. Should a Tesla Model P 220D manage to tow a 15,000 lbs load up hill on a continuously climbing grade for 300 miles, they'll be able to sell every single one of them.

FYI, I expect that the initial Supercharger rollout in North America is only the beginning. I imagine that prior to the release of Generation III cars, Tesla Depot locations might be built. These would be Tesla speific locations with Superchargers that would be set up to accommodate towing vehicles. A Waypoint for weary travelers with lounge, lavatory, snacks, drinks, Gallery, Service Center, car wash, food court... That would make it easier to avoid truck stops while travelling.

james.nicklin | October 15, 2014

Heck, they could utilize decommissioned truck stop locations.