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Canadian Price just Fell Again! - 05/13/2016 - Again on 5/19/2016

Canadian Price just Fell Again! - 05/13/2016 - Again on 5/19/2016

Not sure if anyones been paying attention, but after rising to $118,900, prices just fell to a new low of $112,900 (previous low of $114,900)

I'm assuming the other models fell too, but this is the only one I've been tracking!

Update: 5/19/2016: Prices have once again fallen! 75D now at $106,000!

michelcub | May 13, 2016

SINGH Thank you for the good news

slawrie | May 13, 2016

Good news only if you haven't ordered. My Tesla store says Tesla will likely not provide customers who have ordered with the new pricing.

wallstguy | May 13, 2016

So I was just on the call with corporate in regards to the SAS suspension upgrade for 50% off, and they said if I want the new pricing, they'd have to place me on the new price book.

Basically, only downside is, the Matte Obeche trim I got for free will now cost me $1,050, but I will save $1300 off the base price, meaning only $250 in savings for me...

wallstguy | May 13, 2016

Unless I switch to Dark Ash but I saw the Model X's in person and the Matte Obeche looks best!

jamesmd | May 13, 2016

one of my reps told me that the honoring of the lowered CDN prices was going to be a one time adjustment. It doesn't really seem fair since we don't actually have the vehicles nor have they entered production yet. I would totally get it if they were delivered already or maybe even already in production, but to get an early commitment from the consumer only to find out that we pay the highest possible price after putting down a large deposit and receive delivery only a month or less prior to new orders seems outrageous to me. There ought to be something good that comes from reserving years in advance. Early delivery did not turn out to be one of them. At least ensure we don't get penalized!!!

loganboyd | May 13, 2016

Wouldn't you also be upset if the market went the other way and the Canadian Dollar got weaker and they charged you more for your car? You can't have it both ways.

michelcub | May 13, 2016

Jamesmd i totally agree with you we don't have received our vehicles yet so the price should be lowered as if we ordered today.Tesla has 5k or 40k $ from us for many months so we deserve that.

slawrie | May 13, 2016

The difference is that not honouring the lower price is terrible customer service. We are being penalised for supporting Tesla by giving them a deposit 3 years in advance before even seeing what the final vehicle will look like. Pricing for Canadian customers was poorly handled right from the start. There is a reason no other car manufactures change their prices regularly with the exchange rate. In this case the new lower price is substantial. I can cancel my order, lose my $5000 deposit, reorder and still be ahead.

jamesmd | May 13, 2016

@loganboyd The price DID go up for us. By a LOT! When the majority of us made our reservations, the CDN dollar was much stronger. Those of us who stuck around already accepted the fact that it was going to cost us no less than 10% more than we had anticipated. Handing over our deposit effectively has done nothing for us. Yes, we would be upset had the prices gone up (irrespective of the exchange rate) and had they charged us more for them, but then what IS the benefit to making a reservation? The gamble was entirely on the customer and not the company by taking a leap of faith and dropping a $5000 or $40000 deposit. What kind of company doesn't reward their loyal early adopters. What's worse is that it is no longer a question of rewarding the early adopter....it's now a question of how much does that early adopter have to be PENALIZED for their commitment? I applaud Tesla for recognizing the injustice when they lowered the price the first time....it came very LATE and made for a lot of nervous early adopters, but as my Tesla rep told me, it was the right thing to do. I had lost faith in Tesla for a few weeks but it was then restored. But now, we are just getting forcibly bent over AGAIN and they are expecting us to be blasé about excluding us on the savings that a non-reservation holder can get today? What is with that?

jamesmd | May 13, 2016

Wow....the price drop works out to another $6100 difference for my options.

Thinking about cancelling again and maybe just re-ordering and taking the $500 loss. Thoughts?

jamesmd | May 13, 2016

Two options:
1) modify the order: I believe you pay a $500 change fee but when doing so, you are "subjected" to the new pricing. End result: minor change or TEMPORARY change for $6100 - $500 = $5600 savings

2) cancel order outright: probably loose the $5000 deposit, but if I buy the exact same thing today, I would still be $6100-$5000 = $1100 ahead

Would appreciate feedback from other CDN reservation holders....I am perhaps not aware of some fatal flaw in my logic.

wallstguy | May 13, 2016

I'm doing option #1 unless I can get them to just give me the lwoered price. Pricing on the options didn't change, just the base price of the cars did.

I'm getting the SAS Upgrade as part of the Tesla campaign on the 75D's for 1/2 of...and they're waiving the change fee.

However, my biggest issue is if I want the Matte Obeche, it's no longer the standard so I'd have to pay the $1050. Basically, I only benefit $250 instead of the $1300 on the 75D decrease.

jamesmd | May 13, 2016

Yeah, I hope they just lower our prices but if they don't, a production specialist that I spoke to tonight told me that option #1 would likely work. I have to confirm with a delivery specialist tomorrow.

If I change something, it will be from matte obeche to black ash which is now free. I debated switching from white to blue but then read in the model S forums that blue was harder to keep clean. Might stick with white now.

michelcub | May 13, 2016

jamesmd do you mean that any change to the order even if with no cost difference like for example solid white to solid black with of course the 500$ fee would lower the price ?

wallstguy | May 13, 2016

@jamesmd I flew out to New Jersey the other day and saw these all in person. Matte Obeche is definitely the best looking one. All of the others get instant finger prints on them. The Matte Obeche just looks really clean. When I first saw the Matte Obeche on the display wall at Yorkdale, I thought it looked ugly. But on the car itself, its fantastic!

I'm also stuck on colours:

Currently configured as Solid white w/ Ultra White seats

Want to change to either:
Pearl White w/Ultra White Seats
Blue w/ Ultra White Seats
Basic Black w/ Tan Seats

I'm presently leaning towards the blue, can you explain why its harder to clean? Especially against a white? My main concerns with the white are bug marks!

wallstguy | May 13, 2016

@michelcub that is correct, ask Tesla to move you over to "new book pricing" when making the change, it'll basically treat your order as "new", and you'll get the current price.

slawrie | May 13, 2016

I had not considered requesting a change to my order, but it may work. I would want confirmation from Tesla that I would receive the new pricing as a result. I had planned on cancelling as the price reduction is more than 8000 for my config. Ideally Tesla realizes that not offering price reductions to your loyal customers is bad business and offers it to everyone. I think this is one of the few times that they have had to deal with reducing their prices, as opposed to consistent price increases.

Jamesmd, who are you speaking with at Tesla? Is it your Tesla store or Tesla HQ. My concern is that my previous experience with this issue took months to resolve. I don't hear from my DS at all. I was told that my X may be ready by end of June, which means they may only allow changes to my config for a week, maybe 2.

michelcub | May 13, 2016

singh.urdeep thanks

jamesmd | May 14, 2016

@michel. I don't know if option 1 will work in the real world. I tried calling my DS (Montreal) and the manager wasn't sure how it would be handled. Every one agrees that in theory the "new book price" would be what is paid but no one could say without any uncertainty.

@slawrie. I was speaking with Tesla Ferrier but I just got off the phone with Cameron at HQ who said that he would have to look into it and call me back on Monday. He set the tone by reminding me that the contract we have was an agreement at the price already established but at the same time a change. If I change from a 90D to 75D would they not charge the current price? I will keep you posted.

@singh. I googled blue vs white tesla keeping clean and found a couple of good threads. BLUE owners say the blue colour is hard to keep clean but they all love the look and none have regrets. My X will be my utility vehicle, not a super sexy car that I can't get dirty so I think white is better for my situation

wallstguy | May 14, 2016

@jamesmd the SAS campaign rep at inside sales confirmed with me that option 1 would work (at least for me). And she left notes in my account about it

As for colours I'm not the kinda guy that likes to spend time hand washing my vehicles, and therefore just take it through a touch less car wash. Given that apparently this is really bad for the model X I'd like one which is easiest to maintain.

White, blue and black all have their own faults in this section from the looks of it

jamesmd | May 14, 2016

@singh. I tried tweeting you. Want to exchange numbers

slawrie | May 14, 2016

@jamesmd. Keep me posted on your progress. Will let you know if I hear anything. Are you on TMC?

jamesmd | May 14, 2016

@slawrie. Just as a reader. Haven't registered there. I'll post on Monday when I hope to hear from HQ. Incidentally, I spoke with @singh and he took note of whom he spoke with at HQ who confirmed that he'd get the new book price upon making a change to his order.

wallstguy | May 14, 2016

@James - to clarify, that person didn't say it would automatically change to the new book price upon making the change, but that if I request it, it can be done.

I.e. if you just make a change, it may not necessarily happen by itself, you will explicitly need to tell them that you'd liked to be moved to the new book price.

drshariff | May 14, 2016

I think the price drop is to get as many orders as possible before the introduction of 100D . Elon Musk
had tweeted many good things are coming to Model X , June would be the month to watch out. Interesting the drop was only on the price of the vehicle , if currency rate was to be adjusted it should have been on Options as well which are not dropped.

wallstguy | May 15, 2016

^Well, it only dropped on the Canadian Side...The US side is still the same, so I hardly doubt thats the reason.

jamesmd | May 15, 2016

The price drop was probably because they were preparing for our dollar to tank even more than it did. They typically only price adjust quarterly or so and when they saw the CDN dollar perform not as poorly and saw few conversions of reservations to orders in Canada, they probably decided to correct their prices more justly.

Brian Vicars | May 15, 2016

@jamesmd. +1

slawrie | May 15, 2016

For those of you on twitter, please retreat. Was thinking od adding the hashtag #Teslapreoderpenalty

https://twitter.com/Tesla_X_2014/status/731985503868862464

https://twitter.com/Tesla_X_2014/status/731986194322608129

jamesmd | May 15, 2016

We don't have much time to get Tesla to do something about this as they may play the "your car is now in production and therefore no modifications are any longer permitted" card. I'm assuming the Sig holder's are happy enough with their prices. This is going to affect the general production holders.

I've decided that I'll either change trim, change from 90D to 75D or cancel my order altogether. All three options save me money. And all 3 make me like Tesla less for making me do it. If all of us do this, then Tesla might just bend rather than go through the hassle of changing our orders or worse have to risk loosing orders with cancellations.

slawrie | May 15, 2016

Check out this post on TMC:

https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/posts/1535081

Looks like our only option is to cancel. For me it isn't as much about the money as it is principle. Try tweeting Elton and a few of the EV news sites. It might get some traction.

jamesmd | May 15, 2016

Yeah I saw it. But why not change your battery pack then change back. Might cost you $1000 but still would be cheaper. If not cancel. Would push your delivery back a couple of weeks it seems. I agree, it's about the principle.

Just sucks to have the feeling that holding a reservation for 2-3 years just means that you were a sucker in the end.

jamesmd | May 15, 2016

I tweeted to him yesterday and retweeted your tweet today. I had to sign up to Twitter for that sole purpose! I can't believe it has come to this. I had vowed never to tweet!

slawrie | May 15, 2016

What's the link to your tweet. I will retweet it. If I can get the latest pricing with a few changes to my config, then that will make the most sense. Tweet Jon McNeill. His feed is likely less busy. I have been using the hashtag #Teslapreorderpenalty

I'll keep you posted.

wallstguy | May 15, 2016

@slawrie, what you linked to is just speculation, as I've mentioned, you can get it changed by paying the $500 fee or if you're a 75D holder, just upgrade to SAS and you get that $500 waived + SAS at half price :)

wallstguy | May 15, 2016

@slawrie, what you linked to is just speculation, as I've mentioned, you can get it changed by paying the $500 fee or if you're a 75D holder, just upgrade to SAS and you get that $500 waived + SAS at half price :)

vperl | May 16, 2016

Go for it

jamesmd | May 16, 2016

I got it! Headquarters approved my request for new pricing. I paid $500 and made no changes to my order. Matte obeche is now $1050 or something so I had to pay $500 plus that option as it wa previously free. I got in right at the last minute (or just after the last minute as it were) because as he took my credit card info, he said my car was already in production (and pointed out that normally you can't make changes after the car is in production). I was going to change to dark ash but I couldn't because he said I was too far down the production line.

Any way, I'm happy to be saving over $3000 more and that I keep my place in production.

Act quickly! I had to push for same day call backs because j had a feeling my car was going to be entering production. As it turns out, I was right but wasn't told my car was entering production by any body.

michelcub | May 16, 2016

Called Montreal store this morning to add leather seats to have new price they said that they will verify if it is not too late and call me back still waiting 3:00HR PM

jamesmd | May 16, 2016

I had better luck with Tesla HQ. They were able to pull up my production status on the spot.

yeer.on-ca | May 16, 2016

@jamesmd: Congrats on your adjustment! What menu prompts did you navigate to to get someone at HQ? After getting bounced around from sales to roadside assistance (?!) and back to sales, I was finally told there's nothing they can do since I've already confirmed and agreed at that price, but I should talk to the Toronto manager.

I've put in my call though the manager was busy. After considerable polite debate with the rep that answered he agreed to have the manager call me back. Now waiting. To be honest, it didn't occur to me to try a $500 order change that didn't really change anything just to be switched to the new pricing. Perhaps I won't wait for the return call and just hit up HQ again with a pseudo-change request. I'm a 75D, so not likely down to the wire for timing as you were.

Seems silly to have to save $400 by cancelling my order and starting again!!@#$%@^

robert.nemy | May 16, 2016

HQ's confirmed I can change to the new book price if ordering SAS for 50% off on the 75D. However I am also subject to any increases on options. Since Matte Obeche is now $1050 vs free , etc. , I really don't save so its not worth doing. Furthermore I have now done a lot of research on comparison threads between Tesla's with SAS vs coil and most drivers either don't notice the difference or prefer the coils. They also all admit that SAS eventually will fail 7-10 years down the line and therefore hurt the vehicles resale value because buyers will know its a very expensive repair. HQ said the wait between SAS or coil is approx 1 month more so for me its a no brainer to save the money plus the future repair expense and stick with coil. Hopefully this info helps others.

wallstguy | May 16, 2016

^I'm in the same boat. I'd like to keep the Matte obeche over the Dark Ash, but then savings are minimal.

jamesmd | May 16, 2016

@yeer I called (888) 518-3752 then press 2 for Model X then speak to sales (aka Inside Sales). My very helpful rep was Cameron.

michelcub | May 16, 2016

Tesla Montreal just called back and m Cuffaro said that for the moment the price is frozen even if i make a change in the configuration (add leather seats) It seems that the policy is not clear.

michelcub | May 16, 2016

By policy i meant Order agreement

wallstguy | May 16, 2016

Michel, do what Jamesmd is suggesting, both of us were able to get new prices through that.

jamesmd | May 16, 2016

Yes, call HQ. They seem to have more authority as I don't think a SC can actually make any promises regarding pricing.

They're still open I believe (pacific time)

michelcub | May 16, 2016

SINGH Yes i will try to speak to Cameron JAMESMD thanks

slawrie | May 16, 2016

I just got off the phone with HQ. No go. Tried the number above and was advised that my order is too far in production. Second gentleman advised that they were looking into price adjustments for all affected and would have a response within 2 weeks. Does anyone know the latest that you can cancel the order? I believe it is right up to the delivery and inspection?

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