Carbon Neutral?

Carbon Neutral?

How many Tesla miles does it take to offset the carbon from one Space X launch?

Timo | November 12, 2013

Answer: who cares?

Roamer@AZ USA | November 12, 2013

How much carbon would be offset if there were no Tesla's.

Timo | November 12, 2013

How much carbon does SpaceX offset compared to other launches? Especially after they get reusable rocket ready.

And most importantly why does it matter? Effect of that is tiny in global scale, and we need space techs. Weather, communications, GPS and so on. Eventually something to divert that big rock that will be coming to us from its track. That's the only "end of the world" scenario with "when" instead of "if".

danielccc | November 15, 2013

Depends on the source of the electricity.

I'll note here that Musk intends to switch to liquid methane from kerosene at some point. Methane can easily be obtained from water, CO2, and electricity. If the electricity is from solar, the rocket would be in effect solar powered. This is the goal.

The same could be said of hydrogen, but hydrogen requires far colder temperatures, close to absolute zero, and is thus much more difficult (read expensive) to handle than methane. Methane has a slightly higher boiling point than Oxygen, so anybody who regularly handles one should be able to manage the other.

Still, kerosene is obviously easier to handle since it requires no cooling at all, and so they started with that to keep things simple and because it is a commonly used fuel available in rocket grade with existing infrastructure at launch sites.

danielccc | November 15, 2013

Timo, the effect won't be so tiny if Musk gets to the point where they are launching rockets by the thousands in order to move tens of thousands of people to Mars. Hence, methane.

Roamer@AZ USA | November 15, 2013

Depending on who is on the Rockets I would donate to that project. I would donate to send Reid and Pelosi on the first trip, they would be right at home on Mars.

Don't blame me for getting political, Daniel set that up making it hard to resist.

Roamer@AZ USA | November 15, 2013

Anyway one rocket is all that would be needed to send millions. By the time we want to go to Mars we will be able to send a DNA sample and memory disk to be reconstituted on MARs. NSA already has all your data so the memory disk part will be easy.

Captain_Zap | November 15, 2013

@Roamer - I saw absolutely nothing political in those posts.

Roamer@AZ USA | November 15, 2013


My intent was to mock the entire thread as silly.

Roamer@AZ USA | November 15, 2013

And when he talked about sending people to Mars the first thought that comes to my mind is who would I like to see sent to Mars. I thought my candidates for the first trip would fit right in on Mars.

Timo | November 15, 2013

I don't see anything silly about sending people to Mars. As such I fail to see your joke as humorous one.

Brian H | November 16, 2013

"To the Moon, Alice!"

Roamer@AZ USA | November 16, 2013


The thousands of rockets and tens of thousands of people part cracked me up.

I think Fermi nailed it. We may make it to Mars but will destroy ourselves or nature will destroy us before we get much further. Socialism is already killing off innovation and social advance as the productive stop producing productive people and the unproductive produce like crazy. We will eventually destroy what we have created. Jared Diamonds book collapse is a fascinating study in why societies fail.

Here is Fermi's paradox.

I still vote for Pelosi on the first trip, provided no microphones or TV cameras are allowed. she is already L2 (permanently in space) so getting her to Mars would be Carbon Neutral......

Andrzej1 | November 16, 2013


I agree that Enrico Fermi “nailed it” by asking a great question, “Where are they?” and then quickly calculating that we should of been visited by ET many times over in the past. However you positing the Great Filter as the solution to the paradox is attributed to Robin Hanson and not Fermi. Moreover, Fermi is said to have been a firm believer in the existence of ETs.

Finally, as the Wiki points out, there are many other possible solutions to the paradox that do not involve our destruction.

Mel. | November 16, 2013

Roamed, Jared Diamond's book on how societies choose to fail or succeed, ( COLLAPSE ) is a necessary read. Thank you for bringing it up.

Brian H | November 16, 2013

Heard of the Asimov-Pellegrino Rules for Alien Contact?

Summary: there could be a predator species detemined to eliminate all real or potential competition. Other species know this, and just in case you're one are obliged to destroy you as soon as they find you. Knowing every responsible species must do this makes the impulse universal.
The favored method is autonomous factories in close solar orbit, that send off antimatter missiles at about .92 C to any likely life candidate. They breach the crust and knock life back to the bacterial level, providing a billion years or two of peace.
If you detect a gamma wake from incoming, you have about 1/12 that time to bend over and kiss your bippy good-bye.
The only survival strategy is to sneak off to an unlikely-looking star, dig in deep on a planet, and stay vewwwy qwiet, as Elmer would say.

Brian H | November 16, 2013

↑See 'Flying to Valhalla', Pellegrino.

Timo | November 17, 2013

@Roamer; The thousands of rockets and tens of thousands of people part cracked me up.

Why? It isn't much. We fly many more people every day in jets around the globe. This would not be much different to that once reusable rocket tech is finished and we have interplanetary ship in orbit, only destination is a bit further away.

And what does Fermi do in any of this? We are not contacting aliens, we as just moving people between planets in our solarsystem.

Brian H | November 17, 2013

Doncha know? Aliens are using or did use Mars as a way station. <(:p

Brian H | November 17, 2013

It's so much more helpful to be part of somebody else's food chain.

grega | November 17, 2013

The Earth has over a million particularly bright people. Surely we can spare some for Mars - and send the people we most want to avoid to a different planet. :)

To the OP… Elon has noted the irony himself many times, that a rocket is about the only form of transport that can't be switched to electricity. I guess we'll need a space elevator to improve things.