Collision Avoidance?

Collision Avoidance?

So I did my test drive, and I loved the car.

HOWEVER, I have 2 Chevy Volts and they have collision avoidance, and really don't want to live without Collision avoidance. Has anyone heard a rumor of when that will be incorporated into the car?

When I am tired its a life saver ( I am frequently very jetlagged), Also when I do anything on a touch screen, its nice to have the car looking out for me. I drive through Manhattan on the way to work. I need all the help I can get.

Also, the front lacks a bumper. Anyone had any experience with parallel parking? When the guy infront of you parks by Braille, are you headed to the body shop?


Petitefogger | November 16, 2013

The Model S is notably lacking in most of the accident-avoidance "nanny" technologies offered by its peers. No blind-spot sensors, no "active" cruise control, no lane-departure warning, etc. etc. TMC would be the one to explain why they don't offer these systems, but it may be as simple as a company with a full plate that has to prioritize its additions to the Model S.

The company has announced plans for a semi-autonomous car on a very aggressive timeline, something like three years, and all of the missing technologies and more would be needed to meet that goal. So, we may well see some or all of the missing technologies made available in the next few years.

Kleist | November 16, 2013 - if you are tired you have no business to be on the road. With or without any pseudo helpers you need to be in full control of your car at all time - no excuses. Get a taxi, limo or have a driver.

J.T. | November 16, 2013

Kleist. +1

carolinagobo | November 16, 2013

Buy a Volvo Tesla is not for you, I miss the blind spot safety but is not a reason not to buy the car I like.

studiojon | November 16, 2013

I added Mobileye to mine. Love it. Also gives me automatic high beam headlights etc.

judimasters | November 16, 2013

@aweingram I fully agree with Kleist. You are putting others at risk whenever you get behind the wheel in that condition. It is worse, statistically, than drunk driving. Assist or not! I am glad you are on the other side of the country from me. Think again!

rdalcanto | November 16, 2013

How much did the installation cost? It is not just about being tired. We all look at the touch screen to check nav, change radio settings, etc., and cover a lot of ground when our eyes aren't on the road. Having technology backup just makes things safer. I really miss the added security that technology offered in my Jeep.

studiojon | November 16, 2013

I think a bit over $2k installed. Mobileye is the same technology that the OEM manufacturers use. Almost all of them license from this company. It integrates well and I am very happy with it.

Damian | November 17, 2013

The seat will be equipped with AI (Auto-Injection): When the WEDM (Windshield Eye Detect Monitor) notices your eye lids starting to droop, a precise amount of caffeine is intravenously injected in your rump (C triple IP). As to eye swerve, the ESD (Detector) puts all nanny functions on full alert until FEP (Forward Eye Placement) is redetermined. Of course you could just wait until the Google self driving car apparatus is made available to the MS but then that would simply suck all the fun out of it.

chrisdl | November 17, 2013

I'll answer the OP's actual question, because someone has to do it ;-)

A long while ago, someone made a video of the Model S's diagnostics screens. That video shows new car configurations, among other things, for:
* blind spot detection
* adaptive cruise
* lane departure warning

So yes, Tesla is working on that, but I think dphillip1's assessment is correct: the company has to prioritize as it balances between actually delivering cars and at the same time trying to keep up with Elon Musk's seemingly endless flow of ideas.

J.T. | November 17, 2013

Thanks for stepping up chrisdl. It's a dirty job . . .

AAviator | November 17, 2013


Its not that I get in a car and start driving knowing that I am fatigued. its just that fatigue comes on suddenly and unexpectedly.

I am an airline pilot. I may fly large jets as much as 420 degrees of longitude in a 7 day period (Yes that is one and a quarter times around the planet) combined with shift changes and odd hours.

I know a lot more about fatigue than any of you (In our training we get long classes and seminars on it, as required by the FAA, of course the real cure, not flying us as much would never be permitted, after all everyone "Knows" airline pilots are already over paid and under worked) Furthermore, I can be called out from dead sleep to be on the way to the airport in 20 minutes.

Even when you THINK you aren't fatigued, you can be. interestingly one of the warnings that works very well for detecting unnoticed fatigue BEFORE you feel it is the lane departure. You just casually bump a stripe or two get an unexpected beep beep, time to stop....

But the touch screens in the car make collision avoidance MANDATORY because that has nothing to do with fatigue. That's eyes not on the road....

There are safety items that you simply should not be without anymore, No one is going to argue seatbelts. Most people agree about anti-lock brakes, some people will say traction/stability control, and I would say collision avoidance.

Anyone who tells you they have never looked away from the road for even a second is quite simply lying to you. I don't care whether you grabbed your coffee cup, answered you phone, dialed a number, or looked at the nav system, or altered the climate control, or sneezed. EVERYONE LOOKS AWAY, many times a drive. And collision avoidance should be mandatory, especially in a 100 thousand dollar car...

I had never heard of Mobi eye. Will look into that.

My other question about parallel parking, I see no one has answered, I guess I will have to start a new thread on that topic.


AAviator | November 17, 2013


YOU ROCK! (Others on this thread, not so much)

Thanks for the info on that. I now know what my standard gift to many people will be...

MOBI EYE (Making Tesla's possible for everyone )


chrisdl | November 17, 2013

AAviator, Andrew:
That's Mobileye (with an L). This their site, fyi:

And yes, studiojon, I'm very interested in your experiences with the Mobileye.
How does it integrate with the Model S? (e.g. for turning on the high beams)
Where is the sensor installed?
How is it powered?
And how well do the different features work? (are they all perfect or are there some issues?)

I realize that you may not know all of that since you had it installed (as you probably should), but I'd still like to learn whatever you know.

logicalthinker | November 17, 2013

Also you might check out the Gosher blind spot warning system.

Gixxxerking | November 17, 2013


+1 and thanks for bringing up this thread. I learned of two after market solutions to features I'd greatly enjoy as options for the Model S. You're also 100% correct about how fatigue can affect the human body. In addition to fatigue as described by you, there's also attention span where studies have shown after short durations humans lose the ability to maintain focus on a task. If that task is keeping a 2+ ton car moving 65mph in a lane then you should have all the help you can get! I wouldn't want a MS slamming into the back of me for sure! Again thanks for starting the thread. I hope the collision avoidance becomes a standard feature...

Dear forum members. We all love our cars but please try to maintain some level of objectivity when legitimate criticisms and concerns are raised. Some of you rush to the defense of MS as if you're getting paid! Others stop trying to lecture people on safety as well! We are all adults, human and fallible...

Having said all that, one of the Model S alternative vehicles I test drove before my final decision was an Audi S7 and it have similar features to what Andrew is talking about. In fact some of the features included with Model S competitors technology packages put it to shame when you consider the price range. Instantaneous torque and hundreds of miles of EV range still makes Model S my preference however I hope the folks at Tesla get these kinds of features into future vehicles and if at all possible as a retrofit. I can guarantee you one customer for sure...;)


Petitefogger | November 17, 2013

Right, this forum is lightly moderated, if at all, and keep in mind that slagging someone for asking a fair question isn't really helpful.

Tesla may be adding "nanny" systems in the future - who knows what goes on in Elon Musk's secret laboratory deep under Mount Diablo? - but there's a problem for current owners, or near-term buyers. "Nanny" systems usually require sensors or other hardware, not just code, and so adding those systems post-production could be costly and difficult. It *might* be possible to add a "hey-dummy-wake-up" function by code updates alone, though:

I could go for that. About all it takes for me is a solid lunch and then the sun shining through the windshield.

dlewis | November 17, 2013

My car has a collision avoidance system. It is referred to as the DRIVER.

Gixxxerking | November 17, 2013

Dlewis and how many collisions a year do drivers cause?

ye | November 17, 2013

With all the logistic capabilities that airlines obviously have, in order to make sure that planes are where they need to be when they need to be there, you'd think they'd be able to arrange things so that pilots got enough sleep.

I understand that hospital doctors also have to work crazy hours the first few years.

Two groups of people who you really want to be alert on the job...

Rheumboy | November 17, 2013

I'm waiting for to have it!

AAviator | November 17, 2013

For Rheumboy

Both of which are waaaaay better than the diapers the astronaut stalker used....

I happen to agree. However, anything that alleviate's fatigue costs the airlines money, and they will only implement it at gunpoint. The unions used to be able to enforce contractual fatigue mitigating work rules, but the courts stripped all those protections out. Every single major international airline in the USA has now been through bankruptcy. Fatigue doesn't appear on a bean counter's balance sheet, and if in an accident happens.... Well according to them, that is why god made insurance, and if your insurance isn't big enough to protect the corporation, another quick trip through Chapt 11 will take care of any problems..

Rheumboy | November 17, 2013

Thanks AA.....I fly a V35 and use them all the time.....BTW, what are you guys doing behind those locked closed doors?

AAviator | November 17, 2013


What are we doing behind the locked doors?

Mostly developing kidney stones. Security concerns make going to the bathroom a real hassle these days so pilots have a tendency to under hydrate to reduce trips to the lav. The results are entirely predictable. We lead the league in Kidney stones as a result....

SUN 2 DRV | November 17, 2013

Does the Model S really have a blind spot or are people just not doing a good scan before changing lanes?

J.T. | November 17, 2013

@joehuber There is a great tutorial on the web about how to adjust all of your mirrors to completely avoid blind spots.

carlk | November 17, 2013

I agree with op it's a good thing to have. The traffic on Bay Area freeways nowadays is such that you will go from speed limit to needing a complete stop at moments notice many times everyday. Yes, yes I try to be alert and keep a safe distance but still there have been a quite few close calls.

As for auto-piloting "nanny" car I can only dream.

SUN 2 DRV | November 17, 2013


Yes, exactly. I've never driven a car that had an actual blind spot, and wondered why people are so interested in automating such a basic driving safety responsibility.

I pick up mine on Dec 20...

Thanks, Joe

Alex K | November 17, 2013

I had a Mobileye system installed about 3 weeks ago. It cost about $1200. The system costs $799 and the rest was labor and some relays for the automatic hi/lo headlight beam control. Everything works as advertised.

I really like the lane departure warning. I have it set to sensitive mode, which gives me some early warnings. The lane departure warning is disabled when you use your turn signal, obviously.

I haven't had a chance to test out the pedestrian or bicycle warnings, although the installer tested that out in the alley behind their shop.

The hi/lo headlight beam control is much more accurate than the system in our Lexus 450h. There have not been any unwanted high beams and you can still use your manual high beams if you want.

The system reads speed limit signs and warns you if you are exceeding the speed limit. The warning threshold is user settable (as are all the other functions). The smartphone app, which pairs with bluetooth, shows you the speed limit and was one of the features I wanted the most. The app also shows you your current speed as seen by the system's reading of the CAN bus, but for speeds above 20mph, it seems that the speed increments at 5mph. I'll be talking to the installer soon to find out if this is a limitation of the Mobileye system or the CAN signal it is reading.

The collision warning system has gone off a few times, but that was due to people cutting in front of me. There are two system in play here. One is used at low speeds and is called a virtual bumper and warns you if you are about to hit someone during slow driving. The other system alerts you at higher speeds if there is a collision imminent. There is also a warning if you are approaching someone too closely.

Aside from the relay connection for the hi/lo bean function, the installation in the Tesla is quite easy, since all the data gathering functions are derived from the CAN bus. The software in the Mobileye is upgradable and the installers left a cable in the passenger footwell cover for future system upgrades.

Here are some pictures of the installation.

carlk | November 17, 2013

Guys it's just an assistance and additional insurance. Accidents do happen even for the best driver in the world who pays attention 100% of time if there is one. What if your windows got fogged up or the car next forgot to turn on the headlights in the dark or bad weather?

Let's try to be objective. Whether the MS has them or not these things are useful and not just marketing ploys. So many posts ridiculed people when they were asking for parking sensor or power folding mirrors. These now are some of the most popular options on MS that people want. | November 17, 2013

Wow! The Mobileye is very impressive. There videos were excellent showing how things work.

And this seems like a reasonable cost for the capability.

Right now, the only thing that concerns me is the installation and whether the local installer (Arlington, VA probably) has the skills to do it right.

mvannah | November 17, 2013

Alex K - where did you get it installed? I checked awhile ago and the installer said it would not interact with the car for speedometer readings or high beam control. The price was also higher. Thanks

Alex K | November 17, 2013

@ | NOVEMBER 17, 2013: Right now, the only thing that concerns me is the installation and whether the local installer (Arlington, VA probably) has the skills to do it right

They have an online installer lookup database, but I can't find it. They do provide an installer list as a PDF file:

EssDub | November 17, 2013

#AAviator -- Regarding parking in NYC --- I've never had a car that was immune to the "braille" parking system so prevalent here. Every time I park my MS on the street you are definitely taking that risk. However, I recently had some other auto body work done in NJ @ Peotter's in Summit (I believe the Springfield service center outsources all body work to them) and they were able to remove the couple of dings that I'd accumulated without any problem whatsoever. Hope this helps.

As to the safety comments -- I pretty much agree that the car should have an accident prevention system standard. It may be the safest car ever tested in an accident but it would still be preferable not to have the accident in the first place! And such a system might have prevented some of the fires that are getting so much press.

rdalcanto | November 17, 2013

You can also buy the Mobileye 550, which does not have the little round display. Do you find the round display useful? It seems like the audible alert is all you really need.

AAviator | November 17, 2013


I accept that the car will get dings. I put 25+k miles a year on my cars and expect to get 10 years out of them (I am the poster child for batteries not being an issue in both the Prius and the Volt)

I actually don't mind the dings, they are like shoes, made to be worn out to me (Though the fact that they were able to dent DR. your dings is very nice) I am just concerned about the plastic nose piece being knocked out. That is more than a little parking rash. That it hasn't happened to you is encouraging...

I was just wondering if I needed to get something like "The bumper Bully" for the front of the car if I park it on the street somewhere... That wouldn't be the end of the world either. Just better to know before I come out of Ray's pizza to find the plastic nose piece laying on the asphalt in small pieces...

And you are absolutely correct, that the safest car in the world gets infinitely safer if it never collides in the first place...


AWESOME! Thumbs up mate.

Brian H | November 17, 2013

Losing/shattering the plastic nose cone is, AFAIK, so far an entirely hypothetical accident. Much cheaper to replace than metal, IAC.

chrisdl | November 17, 2013

Thanks for the detailed information, Alex K. Very helpful.

Do you know where they connected to the CAN bus?

gill_sans | November 17, 2013

Agree it would be very useful and add importantly to the safety of the Model S if it had automatic collision avoidance, preferably standard. Couple other things come to mind:

  • Curb weight of your Chevy Volt is about 2,000 pounds lighter (a ton) than that of a Model S
  • Model S is built like a fast tank, structurally does not give much to anything it hits, including (to date) poles, walls, and vehicles such as Honda

You might walk away unscathed from a crash, but anyone you hit might not unless, perhaps, they're also driving a Model S. If someone crashes a commercial jetliner, there's an airline that has to answer for consequences. Different when it's your personal vehicle.

gill_sans | November 17, 2013

Oh, wait, I remembered wrong. Chevy Volt weighs 3,781 pounds, Model S weighs 4,647 pounds, so the diff is less than I thought.

AAviator | November 17, 2013


I HATE crashing. I have never had a car or plane accident, and desperately hope to go my entire life without making the news, in a car or plane....

both cars have excellent crash test results. I don't ever want to verify the data with my person....


What does the plastic lens cost? if its a 50 dollar sort of thing, who cares then, I will just buy a stack of them and leave em in the Fronk....

J.T. | November 17, 2013

The plastic nose cone was $300.00 when quoted in August. They, however, replaced mine for free as if it was damaged before delivery. I love those guys!

Kleist | November 17, 2013

@AAviator - sorry in advance for my harsh words coming below. I have been in the offshoring business for 20+ years and this week in China, Saturday in the US and Monday in Europe and then back to Asia. - myself and my employees. We had a loose policy until we almost killed one of our employees - CA boy after 20+ hours travel into Eastern Europe airport we expected him to drive 2+ hours in a rental stick shift car for the first time at night in Winter in a snowstorm to the factory. He ended up in a ditch upside down and they found him next morning barely alive from the the cold. Our company guidance changed fast and radically.

If both pilots fall asleep and crash the plane then you can blame the airline for over working pilots.

But if you after an exhausting work assignment use your personal car in public and kill someone because you are not fit, then the only blame is on you... you made - and only - the decision to drive unfit. What is shocking you can not claim lack of knowledge - you are fully trained, aware of the problem. Being over worked by your employer is no excuse for your personal decisions - stay off the road you share with me and others in that fatigued condition. If you hurt anyone you should get maximum sentence plus 20 years for being a trained proffesional fully aware of your irresponisible behaviour.

Alex K | November 17, 2013

chrisdl | NOVEMBER 17, 2013: Do you know where they connected to the CAN bus?

No, I didn't ask them, but the wiring loom that comes with the Mobileye looks like something that taps into wires (there is no CAN bus connector). So, I'm assuming they find the closest CAN bus wiring at tap into that.

Alex K | November 17, 2013

@rdalcanto | NOVEMBER 17, 2013: You can also buy the Mobileye 550, which does not have the little round display. Do you find the round display useful? It seems like the audible alert is all you really need.

The audible alert has distinct sounds, so it can be used without the display. The display, does show you the following distance in seconds of the car in front and also shows a constant error display of you are exceeding the speed limit (after the first audible warning). I have it mounted near the rear view mirror, and although it's not in my direct line of sight, it is within my peripheral vision and I see when there is a change in status, like when I'm approaching a car too closely (a red car is displayed).

A small Android device that has Bluetooth capabilities would be ideal to replace the Mobileye display, since the smartphone app displays a lot more information than the small display. The only thing with an external device is that it would be ideal if you could have it automatically connect and run the Mobileye app when it is powered on.

BarryQ | November 17, 2013

Collision avoidance should be a high priority. I know it would require a hardware install, and I am willing to pay a reasonable (or even unreasonable) sum for it. It's that important.

Kleist: What would have AAviator do after getting home after a long tough trip, (with a few days to a few weeks in a hotel) and have a 20 minute drive to get home? Would you really expect him to buy another hotel room (in his home city) to get a few hours sleep(assuming he COULD sleep, even though extremely tired)? Is that what you do? Or do you just drive home so you can sleep in your own bed? Lets be realistic here. Pretty much anybody getting home from a foreign trip is going to be exhausted on arrival. They all drive home, usually and hopefully safely. But additional safety devices in a car, as in an aircraft, can be a life saver.

BarryQ | November 17, 2013

PS. DC-10, MD-11, B737, B747 Captain. Been there, done that. Never crashed my plane or my car.

J.T. | November 18, 2013

There are taxi cabs at airports.

Car t man | November 18, 2013


human error is a common and tragic factor in our lives. But it is there, so anything that shields from it, is not just beneficial, but almost a duty.
So yes, people shouldn't drive when tired, but sometimes it happens to
almost everyone. And most people don't even realize how their blood sugar
fluctuations affect their awareness, or lack of it, etc.

So while one should be responsible, one should also make sure of backups and
redundancy systems. So collision prevention systems are a must and I'm sure
Tesla is working hard on incorporating them into the car. And whoever mentioned
the danger to other traffic participants hitting the Tesla was right.

Just like SUVs, which, on average, sucked at safety for their occupants, so there was no real safety benefit to them, especially early on, were killers of other commuters, in smaller cars. Life happens. Not every day is optimal,
predictable and safe.

Babyrocket | November 18, 2013

I will echo the positive comments on the Mobileye system. I had it installed for $1,200 all in when my Model S arrived in January and couldn't be happier. I had the display mounted in the far left corner of the dashboard at the base of the pillar, and find it very unobtrusive. It is one of those systems that just works, and provides great peace of mind. It doesn't replace driver attentiveness, but it is money well spent in my book.