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Excessive costs down the road

Just red here in this forum that rear tires wear off after 5K miles and replacement is $1,500.
I'm driving BMW 7 series now and my Michelin tires last 25K miles and cost $800 for a pair.
Are there ant other excessive expenses associated with keeping Tesla MS going?

GReese | June 23, 2013

Modern BMW 7 series uses run flat tires that neither last 25K miles nor cost $800 for a set.

RAFellows | June 23, 2013

I have 3k on my 21" Michelins, no wear to be seen, still look new. There have been only a couple of people complaining of excessive wear. Either they need an alignment or they should stop doing burn outs at every light!

docdac | June 23, 2013

Excessive rear tire wear seems to be a rare problem for only a few Tesla owners, likely related to alignment problems. I have 4500 miles on my P85 with 21" tires, and have plenty of tread left. Certainly no asymmetric inner tire wear that has been reported by the folks with the excessive wear problem.
I do not see any excessive costs down the road, except for the unknown cost of battery replacement. I expect that will not happen for at least 10 years, and will likely involve an upgrade to a higher range battery.
The repair that concerns me the most would be if the air suspension had problems. I have not heard of any suspension problems, and do not know what replacement parts cost, but I expect it would be much more than a set of Monroe shocks.

EcLectric | June 23, 2013

A BMW owner talking about excessive ownership costs? I am overwhelmed! I don't know where to start! The psychotherapy required after trying to control the car with I-drive already makes new tires seem like a bargain!

I can see the marketing meeting now.

Reinhold: ok, we need ways to attack the model S. it's kicking our a$$ in California!
Klaus: Let's get them on reliability! How many months before their engine seizes like ours does?
Reinhold: they don't have an engine, Idiot! It's electric!
Klaus: how about the transmission. With one as complicated as ours, it's bound to break
Reinhold: they don't have a transmission! The car goes faster than ours without having to shift
Klaus: what do you mean? You said it's electric. That means it's slow, right?
Reinhold: (rubbing his temples): The thing has 400 ft. Lbs of torque, and it can light up the tires all the way down the street...
Klaus: Ok, then, we have our plan. I'll get on their forum and say the tires don't last very long
Reinhold: (sigh)

tobi_ger | June 23, 2013

@EcLectric: LOL, great!

Thinker | June 23, 2013

Like a lot :-)

carlk | June 23, 2013

"Engine" and "transmission" should last 500K miles with no oil/fluid changes. The brakes should last 100K+ miles. Everything else should be more or less in line with ICE cars. There are a lot of computers and electronics but that's pretty commone in other modern cars too. Air suspension docdac mentioned is an option item and used in some other high end cars too.

NomoDinos | June 23, 2013

I have a 2011 BMW 5 series (while I wait for a couple of the Model S options already available in Europe), I've put 30k on my run flats without a problem (except for the fact that they handle like crap)

My colleague has a model s performance with the 21's, and driven 9k without any unusual wear. I can't stand that smug, satisfied grin he had every time I saw him get out of his car every morning... So I decided to get my own! Tesla envy is an ugly thing.

tobi_ger | June 23, 2013

Not sure if the screen will make it 8+ years... wonder if a replacement will then have UHD/4K resolution, maybe with a coating that avoids finger prints.

Wayne3 | June 23, 2013

The excessive cost of correcting misinformation.

Tesla4JP | June 23, 2013

@EcLectric. Lol....love it!

@NoMoDinos....Oh that Tesla Grin!......It's a permanent feature with the car. Welcome to the club. :-)))

ian t.wa.us | June 23, 2013

You own a 7 series? I've got bad news for you on this front...

http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2013/04/best-worst-used-cars/index.htm

Not to join justineet on the "hunting party" but so far the two threads I've seen RIsquare start sure have seemed like someone trying to point out nonexistant negative generalizations abou the Model S.

Cheers!

ian t.wa.us | June 23, 2013

Lack of proofreading once again! That's ahould be "about". ;-)

ian t.wa.us | June 23, 2013

Oh, I give up!

"should"

justineet | June 23, 2013

Expect GasHeads to manufacture imaginary maintenance costs and range issues...various Bordering attempts........If you can't beat them fairly....cheat.....misinform.....etc.....

tobi_ger | June 23, 2013

Brodering attempts

Doug H | June 23, 2013

I hear that BMW fart this really noxious gas. I've heard that if you were to pull one of them into your garage and leave it running all night, that it would kill everyone in the house.

I'm just saying...

lolachampcar | June 23, 2013

Every time someone posts about tons of wear on the rear tires, a dozen or so post that they are not having any issues.

I think the problem is real and I think it is rare. I also think Tesla will get a handle on it.

lolachampcar | June 23, 2013

and if you want to talk excessive, Seven Series depreciation fits the bill perfectly (first hand experience talking).

carlk | June 23, 2013

A possible extra cost could incur when the attractive lady (or guy) coworker asks for a ride home saying she/he always wanted to sit in one of these things. That could turn to be costly if you're married and even more if you're not.

skymaster | June 23, 2013

I was in a German repair shop the other day. I overheard a service writer tell a customer , "if you only change out the water pump, it will be $850". All I can say is holy s***.

eddiemoy | June 23, 2013

The excessive wear issue reported by few here seems suspect. But if it is truly a mistake on tesla's part. I would think they would replace under warranty because it is their mistake. That is how Elon wants to run his company. He doesn't believe in charging people for their mistake. That is why I bought one without even test driving it. All these positive reviews can't be wrong!!!

Should bet mine in 3 weeks. Can't wait!!

ian t.wa.us | June 23, 2013

+1 lolachampcar

Were your ears burning justineet? Haha! Nice timing! ;-)

Um, yeah, that could get complicated and expensive carlk!

eddiemoy | June 23, 2013

How can anyone believe that the electric car has more maintenance than the ICE equivalents?!?! Truly, the misinformation campaign is in full force!!!

The motor in the model s can go 2 million miles before breaking down!!! This is the truth!

There is no complicated transmission to take care of. There isn't a engine that needs oil changes ever 3000 miles that consist of hundreds of parts!

Some people point to the battery being expensive to replace!!! What the hell! It is 12k option up front to replace after 8 years!!! You save over 16k over 8 years in gas!!!

People need to understand this is the best car out there period!

Fight the misinformation campaigns!!!

lolachampcar | June 23, 2013

I did have an observation from crawling under mine working on it. Everything appears to be a bit bigger or thicker than it really needs to be even given that it is a 4700lb ish car. I have a suspicion that the engineering team knew they had one bite at the apple and could ill afford any issues. As a result, they probably added an extra margin of safety to make absolutely sure there were no issues.

The nearest thing I can equate it to is the E Class from a few generations back that was used all over Europe for taxis. Those cars went on forever and they had that MS tank like underpinnings.

S4WRXTTCS | June 23, 2013

Honestly its absolutely too early to tell. The car has to be on the road for a few years to know what components of it are prone to failing.

The excessive tire wear is something I hope owners pay attention to, and watch out for. Just because it's indicative of something wrong with their car. They can't just keep replacing tires and wasting huge amounts of money/energy.

In getting the car you have to accept some kind of risk associated with something so new, and from a car that is the first entirely new car a company has developed. At the same time an electric car is simpler from a mechanical point of view so there isn't crap like a timing belt going out. There is no guy at the oil change place showing you the air filter and trying to con you out of money.

The biggest excessive cost down the road is envy. Of envying the latest model and it's 120KW 60KW battery. A battery might cost you $12K or whatever, but Envy will cost a lot more. You'll probably have some option of swapping out to the new one, but the new Model S will have some new feature that will suck you in. Look at what Tesla has already done to current owners trying to upgrade their current Tesla P85 to the plus version. I do apologize for laughing so much, but If find it really funny with a car they just bought. How long did they even get to enjoy their current Tesla before they were tortured with something newer?

The Tesla is the fast road to the future. It might implode from its own success (too much expansion too early followed by an economic slow down) or it might explode in popularity (which it appears to be doing so).

S4WRXTTCS | June 23, 2013

^60KW = 160KW.

I hate that i can't edit comments.

michael1800 | June 23, 2013

This is the point where someone says:

I hurd u hav 2 buy tyres for $4.5k dollars every 2k miles. This are an outrageous that the Tesla does are not protact the consumer of such a great vehicles after spending more than so many dollars for a substanding vehicle and then except it as this.

On a serious note, the annual service is up to $600/year. Other than that, that, electricity. Buy the 21s and drive aggressively and the tires come into play. Otherwise, business as usual.

Vulpine | June 23, 2013

The anti-Tesla campaign sounds so much like the anti-Apple campaign.

By the way, you DID know that Evon Musk had a good long one-on-one with Steve Jobs before he died, didn't you?

stimeygee | June 23, 2013

I have a BMW and jut bought a Tesla. Obviously no one knows for sure but I expect The Tesla will have far lower costs down the road than my BMW has had. #1 being depreciation - that 3 year depreciation guarantee means that you are basically guaranteed to have the least expensive car in its class for 3 years of operating, in that depreciation is the single biggest cost. The fact that they don't have model years helps a ton there as well. No real difference between a 2012/2013/2014 Model S.

sia | June 23, 2013

Thanks @lolachampcar. it's nice to hear an expert opinion.

I am getting tired of biased and unscientific claims from @RIsquare. There should be a "credibility" rating for people posting here. :-)

Mel. | June 23, 2013

Rlsquare 's credibility rating so far is minus the square root of 712,

JohnnyMac | June 23, 2013

Replacement costs are not $1,500 per pair for the 21's. The OP corrected himself in a later post clarifying that it was $750 per pair at Tesla. The OEM Conti Extreme DWs are avilable at at Tire Rack for $288 each. I sourced a set at $200 each. Planning to throw one in the frunk for longer road trips just in case. It fits perfectly if unmounted FWIIW.

zheng94402 | June 23, 2013

If you are concerned about tire wearing, you should consider 19" wheels. The low profile 21" is more expenasive, last less (soft material) and is known to exacerbate any issues you may have with alignment (regardless whether on Tesla or other cars). There are some good discussions on pros and cons of 19" vs 21" in the following thread:

http://www.teslamotorsclub.com/showthread.php/8055-19-quot-vs-21-quot-Wh...

In term of running cost, my eletricity bill with my Tesla is about $50 per month compared with $240 per month with gas (with a Volvo that I was driving). That's $2000+ savings a year compared with gas.

My employer actually provides free charging stations at work but I have to be there really early to get one :-)

jandkw | June 23, 2013

I have the 19" on my MS and have been using all season tires for the past 15 years since I moved to NC. The Goodyear tires on my MS are not very good and I saw some wear already on all four of the outside edges of the tires. I only have 3400 miles on so I'm a little disappointed. Should I purchase any replacement tires, I will buy the Michelin Primacy all seasons from Discount Tire which they have road hazard insurance with life time warranty and rotations. My understanding is Tesla Service Centers only sell and support the Goodyear for 19".

ppape | June 23, 2013

@eddiemoy

Did I read your post correctly? Your Model S will be here in 3 weeks and you've never driven one? At a store or a get amped event or even a friends S? Have you been a passenger? That is impressive and shows great faith. You show great passion for Tesla!
I would love to see your first driving experience. Any chance you could get someone to video it for us?

Welcome to the grinning club.

Jackie :-)

Keith72 | June 23, 2013

I'm another person who never drove the car before they delivered it to me. I've had it for 3 months now with just a couple of very minor issues (resetting the tire pressure monitors and slight water leakage into the rear light assembly) that were fixed quickly. I have the 21" tires and have not seen the wear that others have mentioned (but only 1600 miles so far). I still have the Tesla grin every time I get behind the wheel.

michael1800 | June 23, 2013

I'm pretty sure Eddiemoy just bought two tickets to pradise.

NomoDinos | June 23, 2013

@Tesla4JP yeah, hoping to get it for good in a couple months!! Until then I'll work on the secret handshake (*T*)

rodneynelson | June 23, 2013

Correction: It was only $750.00 for a pair of new tires 21 Conti's. Still very concerned with the excessive wear but don't let that hinder you from enjoying the finest car in the world. This problem is happening on a few of our P85. Many folks are enjoying much longer lasting life then this.

Also, even though the Tesla Service center in Fremont won't admit it, They totally improved my car when they did the tire change. The ride, feel, and handling was total improved. The thing rides like a Rolls right now. I also noticed subtle hints my computer was updated. I think they really went through my car like a crime lab. Hopefully I get more then 6,000 miles on these new tires.

srinivasboppana | June 24, 2013

check out tire rack.com they have the 21 inch tires for around 750.

wbrown01 | June 24, 2013

I have 10K already and my rear tires look fine also.

lolachampcar | June 24, 2013

Most people report no issues with wear and there does not appear to be a concrete correlation between driving style and wear (as Tesla Engineering has said there should be).

GLO | June 24, 2013

Just had our tires rotated and the tread is fine. Almost 8K miles...