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For the Tesla Gen III, what 100 new features would you like to imagine or see available ?

For the Tesla Gen III, what 100 new features would you like to imagine or see available ?

Teslarians, what futuristic, hitech, game changer, ultra green, uber-cool, alto safety, mass production friendly, cost reducing, profit increasing features should Tesla's next generation, Gen III, vehicle have ? Also include Model C, S & X.

Whether large or small, simple or complex, technical or not, what are your ideas ?

To get started, here are some thoughts:

1) Put see through glass Tesla Shield  
   on hood  made of painted glass. The
   shield and letter T are left clear glass 
   and shows off the frunk by day. At 
   night a Hue light , with millions of 
   color variations can can be turn on 
   inside the frunk to light up the shield 
   and T during night driving. 

http://www.meethue.com/en-US

2) Have detachable Household AC plug  
 battery  packs near base of seats  
 powered by solar panels on roof.

3) Anti crash system stops car from
  running into things. Qualifies for   
  insurance discount?

4) Retractable semi-opaque, tinted sun
 visors controlled by button on
 steering wheel similar to pulling down  
 a window shade electronically. It's 
 more functional because it allows the 
 driver to control visor on driver's 
 window, passenger window, and both 
 sides of the windshield. Could this be the world's best sun visor?

5) Have all wheels turn to 90 degrees,
  great for parallel parking. Have car
  capable of self parking.

6) Create @tesla/talk.car Internet
    extension  for car related services 
    only to compliment .com sites. 

The .car extensions have voice only interface, with limited button pushing similar to a radio, no texting except through voice to text.

7) Shape the red tail lights as close
  as possible to the Tesla T Logo.
  Red led lights across bumper under
  the plate spell out Tesla Motors EV
  and highlight when brakes applied.

8) Equip Gen III with two sliding doors
  or 4 regular doors. To create
  easier access the opening door
  includes 1/3 of the roof. Also press a
  button in the door jamb to slide the
  front seats forward.

   A variation of this, have 1/3 strip of 
   roof retract toward the center of the 
   roof when you open the door.

9 ) NFD Near Field Discounts auction.
  Type in lunch etc. 5 miles distance, 
  2hrs for exa and nearby Merchants 
  continuously update bids against  
  each other on giving you    
  discounts for lunch.

10) KeyPay/CarPal digitized keychain 
      can be used to pay electronically, 
      and receits  are tagged& organized 
      into personal & business categories 
      for taxes. Syncs with smartphone 
      app and car consol to store info on the web.

11) Computerized self parking, both 
      back in and parallel .

Brian H | January 20, 2013

Another typo: 'But there are developments ...'

Brian H | January 20, 2013

Argh. Yet another typo: "if they will be feasible ..."

{Edit function, please, mods & TM?}

TV | January 20, 2013

Top 100 Features?
(There is no order to these, with the exception of the first 5)
1) Model SS AWD
2) 0-60 under 3 seconds
3) >400 Mi Range
4) Multiple sockets for plugging things into
5) Absolutely NO Governmental BS "We MUST Track you" garbage...just allow us to have our privacy.
6) After I buy my Tesla, I will have Custom FULL GRAIN Luggage to the car. Saddleback Luggage will make it as soon as I ask. I don't plan on ever selling the car, so I might as well make this car "as I want it".
6) Make the SS totally "road-worthy-independent" (in other words, providing extra plugs, offer us the opportunity to have some "devices" I think Tesla should focus more on the fact that this is an ELECTRIC CAR. So provide us with GIZMOS. ELECTRIC CAPABILITIES. Example: I am going to go on many road trips, and sometimes I will be with my wife on long-vacations. Let us not forget that travelling across America has really been hindered by $4.00/gallon gas. With my Tesla, going from El Dorado Hills in the am to lunch at Harris Ranch (and a full recharge), and then off to San Diego is VERY appealing. And other places as well. I realize that multiple plug-ins will reduce the electical life of a charge, but your supercharging and other charging options reduce the anguish of this. Besides, offer some accessories
7) Telsa Gear which will only take power when plugged in. Example, say my wife and I are "parked" at a place where I can plug in overnight. How about another plug for a microwave, or a cooler? Not necesarily a good idea when driving, but when stationary, oh yes. Can the computer in the car store I-Tunes? Movies? I've never asked that. But here is my point...It is an ELECTRIC CAR. Let's expand on that idea. Expresso Machine. Blender. These are things that can go in the F/Trunk or kept in the cabin. Fold down rear seats could offer air mattresses-that can be filled by a portable pump off of a plug in the car. A "really nice" small microwave in a box, pre-measured so it fits someplace in the F/Trunk neatly. AND...an empty water container that can be filled and microwaved. THEN...a small shower. You heat the water, unfold the shower, hang the water dispenser from above, and bingo...shower. Why? Because it will be cool. done? empty it out, fold it up, and go.
I know...water, electricity...well...think about it anyway. Temperature controlled radiant heating, so that if someone sleeps in their car, the thing only comes on to do a brief "temperature adjustment. Stranded in the middel of nowhere? How about a strategic alliance with Orange Joos Solar Charger...private-labeled "Tesla-branded" charger? Better yet, make one through Solar City. And why you are at it, make multiple thin-film 18" x 14" solar cell collectors that direct the energy into the batteries. When you are parked, or when you are driving. I think the whole "all glass panormanic roof" is simply not capitalizing on the fact that this is an ELECTRIC CAR. Use the glass and film for recharging. And where is that technology that I heard about where you can mix micro- photovoltatic cells in with the PAINT and turn the whole exterior of the car into a solar collector. If you don't make it, somebody will. Sell through Tesla Gear thin film photovoltatic recharging products that can be 'Seamlessly' all over the glass and upload the energy while driving. It certainly would increase the range...I'm sure "somebody" has thought of this...yes? Hey, you could hook up a blender to a Tesla. smoothies! Ice in the icebox, fresh fruit, water storage (frunk + trunk = space to put stuff!) And what about the fact that the Model S is really "quiet"? Take advantage of it. Sure, a great stereo. What about playing movies at night? Nobody is suing the Suburbans with the TVs...but maybe you want to have a plug to have an output jack from the car computer, so movies could be played. Netflix? Oh...and please (I haven't checked this out, so if I am way out of line on this...sorry) leave all the snooping, malware, tracking, etc., etc., etc., off of the car and out of the computer-PLEASE. Everybody HATES BIG BROTHER. Because if you don't, lots of people are going to root the computer, whether it voids the warranty or not...why? THIS IS STILL AMERICA. I like to know when someone is peeking up my wife's skirt. So why not give us the courtesy of a "Clean System"? A Tesla should NEVER be used to spy on people...especially at these prices...unless you want to pay us...
8) Faraday Shielding around the batteries. Some day (soon) the health and safety of driving many miles in an electrical car is going to be severely scrutinized-with negative bias from your competitors. Why not be ready? Before "YIKES!" research is used to challenge the safety of the Tesla system, why not put a 3/4" Faraday Shielding around all of the batteries, and the pertinent aspects of the system? Simple, minimal cost, closes the subject, and would probably be worth more than it's cost if marketed correctly.
9) Interior accented with very dark "3 dimensional" wood on the dask and other accented locations. I suggest you consider Wenge, Dark Rosewood, Cocobolo, Ziricote, Desert Ironwood, Macassar Ebony, etc. The obeche wood and lacewood aren't really an option. The only "true" choices that I see are black or carbon fiber.
10) Onboard compressor, that can be used for all sorts of stuff. Make it small, powerful, and versatile. As an option. Low tires to whatever.
11) Run Flat tires.
12) Super Good, very difficult to hack SECURITY SYSTEM.
13) A Special Projects Division. The James Bond Stuff. For people with more money than brains. (Someday I hope to be one of them)
14) A way to "tube something" very quickly into/out of the F/Trunk. Like a handgun...just as an example.
15) What does Elon have "special" on his car?
16) Does the technology exist where you can have a reostat turn up the darkness on the windows, or turn it down to nothing? I think I'd like to have that option.
17) Fully "plumbed" for the best "all band" radar detector and jammer. Not installed of course...jammers are illegal. I just like the idea of having my Tesla plumbed for it.
18) Heads up display? You know...
19) Plumbed for handsfree cell service, with turn on/off at 4 corners of car-managed by the onboard computer. (You've probably thought of this)
20) It would probably be worth looking at what has already happened in the cabins of Rolls Royce, Bentley, Jaguar, and let's not forget the upscale car shows...and the annual SEMA show in Las Vegas.
21) Onboard, four corner JACK SYSTEM. EG:"Flat"? Stop, touch computer, press corner of screen that is flat, batteries drop a bar down and lift the car enough to take the tire off. I like that one...
22) I hate regular windshield wipers. Isn't there something "GEN-2" that you could come up with? They've been the same for 100 years...its time for something that works better. And something that takes the "Planned Obsolescence" out of the equation.
23) And speaking of "Planned Obsolescence"...try not to plan for it, please? I'd like to pass this car down to my family AFTER I die. Think "TRUE COLLECTOR CAR".
24) Onboard Powerwasher-take the container from the Microwave and fill it up, the screw it to the hidden powerwasher-never have a dirty car again-atleast for very long-and for FREE. (I know..hey, I'm brainstorming...)
25) On the "hotter versions": Reduced-Size, Carbon Fiber Rollbar. Oh yes.
26) 5-way "Cross-Belts" to match the black seats.
27) "passive to active" SKY radar system (for those highway 5 Cessnas that lurk about (as well as in a couple of years to detect those Drones that the police departments are now buying). Yep.
HOW MUCH FOR THAT ONE? Link it to the computer. I'll buy it. The first ticket "that you don't get" while doing 125 in a long desolate stretch of highway, will take a big chunk out of the costs....I'll pay $1000 for that option. (Make sure it works)
28) Active Security Device: If someone touches your car while you are either in the hotel, or sleeping in it, a speaker goes off and allows me to record anything I want...like "Step away from my car, you greasy spoon!" This could be activated when turned on via the computer at night when on a road trip. Note: It should not activate if you are taking a nap in the car...
29) Tight weave Carbon Fiber applied over the aluminum panels, eventually replacing the aluminium...and prior to the protective paint.
How's that?

Superliner | January 20, 2013

@ Brian

The forum already has the "proof read" option. BaaHahahahaha!!
No fools, No fun !!

Tesluthian | January 20, 2013

Brian H

Sympathies on the typos , this smartphone spellchecker has lots of update potential.

I still like the convertible angle, get the desires flowing for 60k orders a year. As for 500 mile batteries, (new or older battery tech), yeah it's a lot of money, but it would be a one of a kind in the world car; and increases the panache / mystique of the brand. At 25 % margins, 5000 sales a year creates great publicity, 125 million a year in profits, and draws a lot of attention to the less expensive $40k version.

And gas stations, how many are there, a hundred thousand in the U.S. alone? I realize that people don't make their own gasoline at home, but even a thousand supercharger stations is only 1% of the gas stations out there. If Tesla starts pumping out 5 million cars a year, it might start to get a wee bit crowded at those 200 supercharger stations.

As for sponsorships , I guess this also means we are not going to have a NASCAR paint job version of the new roadster with a bunch of green friendly companies paying to have their logis on it like a race car! Darn!

Tesluthian | January 20, 2013

@TV 

That's an awesome list! I especially like the electric auto jack to change tires. As for coffee maker, just build two Kuerig single cup brewers right into the dash for me please, one on each side; also designed to be a cup holder. Only available with air ride suspension though! As for solar panel roof, might not produce much power, but really says visually what the car is all about just make it look super cool. Now for one tiny, little suggestion, You might just want to reinvent that SS nomenclature for the Nordic /  Deutschland and a few other countries.

aaronw2 | January 21, 2013

I would love to be able to attach 3rd party hardware and be able to seamlessly integrate it into the touch screen. It could communicate using GPIO lines, Bluetooth, perhaps wireless or maybe I2C or some other standard bus (dedicated CANbus?). That way all sorts of cool 3rd party items could be added and seamlessly controlled.

Tesluthian | January 25, 2013

Greetings futurist Tesla car imagineers. Thought I continue with some MX ideas, here's some MX pics from Detroit auto show:

http://m.green.autoblog.com/photos/tesla-model-x-detroit-2013/

1) MX, the soccer mom car, would be a good car to have a best of class, "all or none", optional, safety tech group of options. All the latest, plus new items like a horn that sounds if someone is about to hit your vacant car in the parking lot.

2) Currently, no one I know of has a safety system for that screeching 30 ton, rock hauling, dump truck that just lost its breaks right behind you while your sitting like a dead duck in backed up highway traffic. At that point, you might really appreciate a MX with a "rear end collision avoidance tech system". But how would it work ?

Let's start with the AWD option, this means all four wheels have power, now just make all four wheels turntable, 4WT (4 wheels turntable ). With computer chips, sensors, software, & instant torque; reaction and implementation times can be much faster than any human. Plus these systems are a 100% alert, 100% of the time, even working in fog, can you ?

Now back to our sitting duck MX, about to be smashed & rear ended by a failed brakes, 30 ton rock hauler dump truck.---A split second before impact, the MX's car computer senses impact, turns all four wheels sideways and using instant torque, moves the car sideways just before impact and the poor soul in the car in front of you goes to their afterlife, instead of you.

Other possible uses, head on collisions, and parking in super tight parallel parking spots, which soccer moms would appreciate I'm sure.

Now how to pay for it ? NHTSA research grants, and licensing to business partners Toyota & Mercedes.

Things to watch out for, high speed turns with all four wheels turning, might not work out the way you think. And using 4WT to change lanes going down the highway, might freak people out a la pac-man style . Therefore the MX computer disengages it above 5mph. The only exception , the computer using it for avoiding head-on collisions. Every day use for 4WT is parallel parking. Can you imagine the reaction when Tesla test drive specialists show off this parking feature?

I think these features, safety & easier parking for soccer moms, help to differentiate the MX line more and fit in more with the soccer mom & family theme.

Another theme good for the MX ? How about entertainment ? Any ideas ?

Benz | January 27, 2013

A special kind of paint is being developed. This paint has got the ability to turn sunlight into electricity (just like solar panels). This could be extremely helpfull for all Electric Vehicles. Because the will be charging itself during daylight. I think this is a great idea. Don't you think so?

KeiJidosha | January 27, 2013

Compact 40kWh pack
20kW on-board charger
Supercharger capable
5 passenger hatchback and coupe body styles
D segment interior space
C segment exterior size
Adjustable right pedal regen up to 0.3g
Heat pump HVAC
Heated seats
Smartphone mount/charger/touch screen
Premium sound system
150 mile EPA range
< 0.25Cd
< 3000 pounds
< 7 sec 0-60
< $ 40K base model

Brian H | January 27, 2013

Benz;
See previous comment. This is the third copy of your post I've seen. Once is indeed enough.

Benz | January 28, 2013

@Brian H
I am sorry. You are right, I should not have done that.
It's only that I am surprised about it that nobody knows anything about it.

Tesluthian | January 31, 2013

Thnx for the comments KeiJidosha & Benz. On the quantum dot paint, feel free to post any new links you run into for the science readers out there. Sounds like something solar city may eventually get into. Solar related items might be good things to sell in the Tesla company store, maybe someday you could buy solar paint for your house to match color coordinate with your solar car from Tesla, way cool.

Tesluthian | January 31, 2013

Follow up for Model X entertainment version:

Let's introduce the "life drive". One thing it does is facilitate the family entertainment aspect of the Model X. What it is: the world's biggest hard/flash drive, 1 " inch thick , bolted onto the skate battery, it covers the whole battery and has an un-godly amount of storage capacity. Now what does it do? (For apple fans, some of this is also applicable to large screen iTVs apple could develop along the same lines).

Remember Google is a Tesla early investor/partner. They sell tablets also. Putting a detachable tablet in a docking station behind each seat and hooked into the worlds largest hard drive has a lot of futuristic synergism. For example, it could get more use and efficiency from your cable service without a change in price.

Here's how it would work. While your MX is in your garage, it downloads and all the cable shows for a whole month and stores them on the gigantic MX life drive. Now instead of recording your favorite shows, everyone in the non-driver seats has access to all the shows for the whole month immediately. Watch a whole month's worth of your favorite show. In addition, with voice control, you tell the car to download different shows to different google tablets, (and smart phones), which you can then detach and take into the house, or wherever, for viewing. Each child & adult can have their own tablet for viewing, everyone watching their own shows.

Before going on, time to invent the world's best earphones, which I'll call iSpheres or earspheres, to replace earbuds.

The breakthrough is : 1) The shape of the outdated earbud is changed into a tiny ball, and radiates sound in all directions instead of just one direction which improves the chances of sound bouncing off your ear ridges correctly. 2) The end of the thin earbud cord is supported by a thin moveable / bendable metal wire that holds the sound sphere wherever you want it inside your ear. After you wrap it behind your ear, you then bend the sound sphere into your ear, exactly where you hear best, which is different for different people. Small enough to fit into your ear canal if necessary, a little volume goes a long way. No more smashing disc shape buds into your ear canal, no more earbuds falling out. Apple etc are you listening? Sell in Tesla store. Patent.

Now the life drive on the MX gives you dynamic access to to all you cable channels for everyone in the house. So one of its functions is a giant DVR, which is normally a $15. cable fee. Google provides the tablets at low cost. Each tablet is additional cost, but it goes everywhere, so it may not be an extra cost. And the tablets are upgradable.

Now the MX can stream to house TVs', if capable, and you have eliminated cable DVR fees, generally $15 a month or more. Also let the MX cars life drive /DVR record all the free TV stations, even if you have no cable, for your later review. Never miss a show again.

But how about other cable cost reductions by the life drive? The recording feature may allow you to buy additional cable channels by the hour. Say $2/hr, not as cheap as Netflix , but the cable companies make the same per hour, maybe more, while you may save money if you don't watch all 1500 channels in your cable bundle. Cable companies may like it because it allows you to try out different tier channels.
And of course the life drive gives you access to all Google's cable shows present and future, which google may increase as time goes on.

Also include on the life drive a complete free, or nearly free college education , tutoring and / or mentoring with links to free online tutoring and , or college courses for college credit, degrees and advanced standing, see link below, this idea is gaining popularity. Buy a car, get 50 % off on your kids education.

http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/8-awesome-websites-free-college-courses-onl...

What else could the MX life drive do? How about record scenery on video while on vacation. On/off, save/delete as needed with voice assistant moving pointable cameras.

Another use, non-moveable cameras record all traffic around the car while moving or parked. In an accident this allows you to prove fault in a moving accident, or have evidence if hit while parked. The video saved on the life drive.

Also use the MX life drive to backup all your electronics, in addition to cloud backup.

What happens if the life drive ever gets full ? The system automatically deletes old and unprotected stuff

Then what happens when the battery / life drive is replaced? Others say keep the battery (now with life drive) for battery house backup. Why not a kit to turn your used battery ( now with life drive ) , into a table, with plugs ( 110 & 220 ). The power goes out at the house, you have a movable table of energy and you still have access to all your hard drive stuff backed up on life drive, not to mention any stored video content. A Tesla software program can allow your computers / devices to access the life drive table, the worlds largest hard drive. Plus its a household backup battery.

marialuna3210 | January 31, 2013

I think so "Tesluthian" heheheh!

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Tesluthian | January 31, 2013

Time to announce, we reached 100 suggestions, granted not all Gen III ideas, but I did leave it open to other models as well. Shall we keep going ? I suppose one way to get more ideas would be to just make a list of all the other options or features on all the other automobiles and sorting out good ideas. 

Another method, go to Sharper Image store, electronic stores or similar and see what gadgets can be incorporated somewhere onto the car somehow. Others read tech advances. Remember the original iPod ? It incorporated an advancement in storage capacity to incorporate 10,000 songs into your pocket, should the next iPod be a flexible, multi-panel, customizable bracelet with a 100 % surface display for a watch that stores or streams a 100,000 songs ? Complete with bluetooth or earspheares ? How about  changing the entire panel for 
maps and a gps chip for walking directions and tourist info etc? This combines jewelry, watches, ipod,  gps, some computer and internet ability without increasing your gadget  count.

The original iPhone was a killer device because  incorporated advances in chip speed & processing to put a computer into a phone to give it regular computer functions plus some. 

Now if we go on how far should we go ? Why not a logarithmic increase next to 1000 ideas ?

I was was just noticing how many logarithmic in production increases Tesla has had,lets say 4 logarithmic increases in production. Or they went from 2, 20, 200, 2000 & now heading to 20,000 cars produced a year. That was the easy part of the curve, the next two logarithmic increases from 20,000 to 200,000 to 2,000,000 cars a year will be much much harder. Entirely new things may need to be considered.

It will be much easier to go from 100 Gen III etc. at ideas to 1000 ideas. So I don't think it will hurt to try, will just take a little longer. If you enjoy posting ideas, keep on going. I think we have at least one good Gen III idea so far. How about you. What is your favorite idea, not yours, that was posted so far, and why? For me it was the tilting drivers seat to make it easier to get in and out of the Gen III, presumably a smaller car because sounds inexpensive and very effective and something customers would appreciate.

Benz | January 31, 2013

@ Tesluthian

I like the idea of the "life drive". This could really add value to the car.

What I like the most is this part:
"Another use, non-moveable cameras record all traffic around the car while moving or parked. In an accident this allows you to prove fault in a moving accident, or have evidence if hit while parked. The video saved on the life drive." This would be a real step forward, I think.

Brian H | January 31, 2013

The life drive would have to be mostly shielding, to protect from high-velocity rocks and debris!

Benz | February 1, 2013

They will come up with a solution.

Brian H | February 1, 2013

A solution that does not add mass would be amazing, as in science-fictional.

Tesluthian | February 1, 2013

Gracias Maríaluna3210, pero yo no soy ni gordo ni flaco, me vendría bien un poco más de ejercicio. This Google translator works pretty good, heheheh!

Tesluthian | February 1, 2013

Benz:

About, "...record all traffic...".
Insurance companies would love it, we could be talking insurance premium discount here.

Benz | February 2, 2013

I agree with you on this. It would make things much less complicated. Video footage to prove wat really happened and who is to be blamed for the accident. Very useful stuff.

Wesley Kunze | February 9, 2013

make a shorter version of model S with door of the bmw i8 concept the controls of the vehicle projected all around the windshield with the level opacity with controls of leap motion to end with a GPS that uses the windshield for augmented reality like that no cost of screen for the controls just a film in the windshield that keeps the light of a projector that displays all the data and all the control with the leap motion sensors and to put all that tech inside and keep it under 30 k just put an electric motor less powerful then your model S and that will be be a best seller

Tesluthian | February 15, 2013

Like your ideas Wesley, got any links ? Sounds cool.

To add to your idea, how about discount ads on bottom of windshield ? I say have local ads pop up for discounts at vendors as you drive by them, to appear on bottom of windshield where you only see the hood of the car. Same as reading advertising signs really.

Also on bottom of windshield have local charging stations pop up as you approach them to ease range anxiety as you see how many there really are and where they are along your typical routes.

Hopefully the two will merge, get a discount and cheap fuel.

Tesluthian | February 15, 2013

In view of the recent NYT's article jacking up range anxiety, how about this idea:

When the audio warning announcement comes on about low charge saying "charge now", have directions to the nearest charging stations, within range, also pop up on screen and announced. So you just choose one and the directions to the station automatically pop up.

The ad for this feature could read, "So effective, even John Broder could find the nearest charging station and never run out !

Tesluthian | February 15, 2013

I know the NYT's article was a hatchet job. It was planned to fail and hide the truth by the reporter. Not even local EV drivers drive a couple hundred miles, leave their EV unplugged all night in the freezing cold, then try to drive another couple hundred miles and expect the car to stay charged. So why would you be any less conservative on a long distance trip and plan it that way ?

That said, range anxiety is a dragon that will keep on firing anxiety untill completely slain. Mr Musk has slain dragons before, e.g. doubters of EV performance, styling, & desirability and he can continue to do so with these latest obfuscations unfairly presented and manufactured to discourage and confuse rather than enlighten and improve. So yes Mr Broder got his money shot, but paid for it with his credibility.

So yes complain to the NYT's on their article and let's keep coming up with ideas to slay that dragon.

Superliner | February 19, 2013

Next time on the road "look around you" MOST people don't drive "high performance" cars. IMHO too much emphasis is placed on sheer performance when in reality most families drive rather ordinary cars Taurus, Camry, Maxima, Altima, Malibu, Fusion, Accord, and the list goes on and on. None are "High Performance" cars yet Camry and Taurus have both been #1 sellers in the U.S. at one time or another.

Gen III MUST be affordable with "near" ICE like capability or it will just be another high priced BEV "STILL" on the bleeding edge of Joe Car Buyer. I don't care if the car goes 0-60 in a heartbeat, Yes it's nice "I guess" but if that were what everyone is looking for then surely Camry would NEVER be as popular as it was or is.

Gen III CANNOT be a "subcompact" It must be a family sized car that is usable to get the kids to school, grocery shop, seat at least 5 and have some cargo capacity. The most popular car has NEVER been the fastest from 0-60, It's always been a functional practical car.

Gen III must be such that for the first time some families and individuals could consider it their "only" or primary car in their stable. If Tesla wants thousands of BEV's on the road then they need to make Gen III practical and leave the 0-60 stuff to the $70k super cars as most don't need it and can't afford to pay a premium to get it.

All I need it to get to work, the bank, the grocery store, the school, out to dinner, and once in awhile a weekend getaway! I'll take RANGE over face stretching performance any day and if the sales figures carry any weight ... so will lot's of others.

Brian H | February 20, 2013

@Super;
+1
super, Super. From the point of view of the 'driving force' of the household, the super-car is more 'boys and their toys'. If you have a choice, sell the woman of the house on the car, and stir in enough pizazz to appease the man. Note that Elon decided to delay the next Roadster till the "Bluestar" was on the roads.

Btw, it's hundreds of thousands TM wants to put on the roads (and eventually millions); the thousands was Roadster, and tens of thousands the Model S. Indeed, it and the X and the "variants" should add up to hundreds of thousands in a few years.

Benz | February 20, 2013

@ Superliner

+1

Timo | February 20, 2013

There's one catch in GenIII "affordable car". As Superliner says it needs to be practical. In order to be practical it needs be big enough not to be "subcompact" and have large enough range to be able to use SC network. As such it will have rather largish battery. Well, with large battery you have power, making powerful car is then kind of unavoidable thing that happens as side-effect of it being practical. Motor and PEM for that power are one of the cheapest things in the car.

If you want more practicality and give it 4WD, you just added more power to the equation. To give more range you want to make it as light as economically viable, again you increase performance. Small(er) size and aerodynamics to give more range=more performance.

You can't avoid it. You don't have to design it to be fast and powerful, you just get that if you make it practical.

Benz | February 20, 2013

Let's leave it to Elon Musk, JB Straubel, Franz von Holzhausen and all the other people at Tesla Motors. They can and will make the Gen3 a big success. Have faith and patience.

Brian H | February 20, 2013

Benz;
Oh, pipe down with the platitudes. Geez. No-one imagines they are taking control of the design of the GenIII car. But TM samples and reads forums, especially TMC and this, for a sense of what people want, and even for specific issues that arise. They don't need your protection.

Tesluthian | February 21, 2013

BrianH, Benz, Timo, & Superliner,

Google Glass is soliciting for idea people right now, only cost you $1500 for the glasses. At Tesla, and other smart companies, such as smartphone software app makers, you get to do suggestions for free, no purchase necessary!

Ok let's design. Elon Musk likes the term "compelling value", for exa, I noticed he likes maximum seating, plus cargo space as Team Tesla achieved masterfully in the MS.

Now everyone agrees the Gen III is going to be a little shorter on length, that still leaves two dimensions, width & height, let's keep those the same to give us maximum potential for space, seating and cargo.

Next lets do something different, another Tesla trait. Let's multitask and redesign the rear hatch, like they did with the battery. The Gen III hatch now opens like French Doors, like some cargo vans. Double hinge them, and these doors could even fold all the way back out of the way against the body of the car.

Ok now what,  it's open, what's the multi-task? Here it comes. The standard sunroof  works backward, it retracts from the back to the front opening up a huge space. On the floor area a step flips out and you now can step up and into the rear of the Gen III. This 2nd task of the hatch is paid for by reducing the doors from 4 to 2. 

Next we have to redesign the rear seats for entry  from the French door style hatch. Very simple, line the seats Lengthwise along the sides of the car, two adults on the left seats face two adults sitting on the right. This leaves the middle of the interior open for cargo. There is also cargo space under the seats.  The seats are foldable or remove able for a huge all in one cargo space of the complete rear of this Gen III car.

In tight spaces entry to the rear is the same as a regular 2 door car, the backs of the front seats fold forward. Plus the standard captains chairs in the front slide back and swivel into the back area. We now have a Gen III that seats six. Two adults in front, two adults in left rear and two adults in the right rear.  We did this by combining rear seating area and rear trunk storage into one bigger space; more space efficient seating design, and keeping the width and height of this Gen III model the same as the MS.

We still might have room for smaller foldable children seats in the north and south of the seating area in the rear. Now it's six adults & 2 children, more than MS.

Next the third use of the French Door hatchback, which  I'm going to call the Lagone Cargo Bed. Refers to CNBC's TV reporter Ken Lagone, who complained the MS doesn't have space to haul a washer, dryer, 12 foot carpet or 2 X4's. You create the Lagone Cargo Bed by taking out all the rear seats. Open the double hinged French Doors all the way back againstt side of car. And retract the rear sun roof toward the front. Because this Gen III is same width as the MS, this creates over 4 feet of  open width space. Because the rear sun window retracts to the front, you have all the height space you need. This will accommodate almost any washer or dryer you care to haul, Mr Ladrone could even haul a six foot double stacked washer & dryer.

But there's more, what if you want to haul a 12 ft carpet or 12 foot lengths of 2 x 4's ? It can be done as well as a washer or dryer. Close the Sun window and the French Doors. Each French Door has its' own big glass window surrounded by metal framing on the top half of the door. These windows slide down. Slide in two 12 foot, rolled up carpets. The center metal frames of the open French Door windows give you a post to tie up and latch the carpet to. If some carpet still droops down outside the open hatch windows, you still have room to insert some 12 foot 2 x 4's to support and latch onto the carpet rolls.

Now let's say Ken Lagone finished installing his washer, dryer & carpet. Next he wants to pick up a foursome for golf. No problem, put 1/2 the seats back into the GenIII, this leaves half the back area completely open. Two adults can comfortably sit in the back with four golf bags lying horizontal or secured upright. If Mr Lagone needs to find a golf course, he can use the GenIII's new onboard @PEV.com search engine which only lists establishments with PEV charging, another compelling value and range anxiety cure.
And the compelling values in seating and cargo space, were made possible by reinventing & multi-tasking the rear hatch French doors.

Now let's solve a problem I've heard mentioned in the Tesla Forums, DON'T FORGET TO PUT ON THE ROOF RACK !  If your hauling a six foot double stacked washer & dryer, it can help secure it. If the roof rack has cross members for something heavy, make sure they are removable for that unexpected six foot washer & dryer haul. Of course the roof rack's other main use is for luggage, bikes, canoes & other sports equipment.

Another amenity, ice battery terminal, to jump start stalled ice cars, and visa versa an ice car could juice up a stalled EpV.

We'll call this GenIII model SBBTT for Superliner, BrianH, Benz, Timo & Tesluthian; or the Joe Car Buyer model.

Tesluthian | February 21, 2013

Gen III Model SBBTT,

The Gen III car battery should have wireless charging as well as supercharging. Tesla, Nissan and others should work collaboratively on this for comparability of systems. Retail stores might be very interested in such a system in there parking lots at least for a couple of spaces. Not as fast as supercharging, but I'm sure a store like Walmart wouldn't mind if you walked around there store for a couple hours. Cities could even get in on the act with wireless charging parking meters.

Another thing for Gen III, home charging should improve to at least 75 miles of charge per hour or more.

It should also be possible to do an Internet search on a Gen III car for hotels, restaurants etc and specify to only show results of companies with some form of PEV charging available.

Tesluthian | February 21, 2013

Gen III should come with a spare tire, because Average Joe Car Buyer don't want to call no tow truck for a flat tire, he wants to change the tire himself & save the money. But where to put it ?

Food a sheet of paper in half. Hold the folded part in front of your face horizontally. Hold the far loose side open about 40 degrees. This horizontal angle or crease created could extend out in front of the Gen III grill. From the front of the hood to the bottom of the skirt, this area could extend out about 18 more inches and come to more of a crease or wedge.

This would do 2 things, 1) Increase the aerodynamics. 2) Provide an interior frunk space for the spare tire.
The tire would be about 2/3's inside this space and project 6-7 inches into the frunk. A spare tire was a very popular Tesla Forum wish item and should be at least an optional item.

Now for the Klingon Windshield & Hood:
Take your folded sheet of folded paper and turn it vertically, folded side closest to you. Open the far side almost all the way. Now imagine this slight crease coming down through the windshield , continuing through the hood, down through the grill, giving the whole vehicle a slight arrow shape. It's a little like a Klingon's forehead.

So now this Gen III MK (Model Klingon) has both a horizontal & Vertical crease or wedge. Hopefully , this would make the car much more aerodynamic , 10-15% ? Need a wind tunnel. Make for some fun concept car sketches. How about a Gen III Cabriolet Convertible, Klingon style ?

Brian H | February 21, 2013

Tesluthian;
I think you invented GenIV. Or GenV. Even for Elon, there is such a thing as biting off more than you can chew. Which he explicitly expresses as, "Success must be one of the possible outcomes."

Tesluthian | February 21, 2013

BrianH,

Unfortunately, Elon did sound like he pulled a couple all nighters right before that last conference call, thnx to NYT. I guess your referring to immediate practical ideas like the wireless creep update. And I tend to be more futuristic, lol.

I don't mean to drive you crazy, but I'm planting a garden starting with seeds and your looking for the next meal. Still if you read carefully, I do slip in a couple of practical, easy to chew, snack items once in awhile, like roof or luggage rack. Another doable item being wireless charging compatibility, maybe not on the first Gen III platform model, but later models. My understanding is Tesla will eventyally build multiple different models on the Gen III platform.

Meaning 5 to 10 years from now, new Gen III model designs could still be rolling off the assembly line. So a lot of my ideas would be geared toward ideas for later models, 5 to 10 years from now. I 'm not suggesting they start doing all these things next week!

Timo | February 21, 2013

Tesluthian, Tesla motors is not making futuristic cars, just cars. They use techs that are proven and mature. GenIII "affordable car" will be basically smaller version of Model S, shorter, narrower and cheaper.

In fact there is not one thing in their cars that has not been in use somewhere already, it's just the combination that is revolutionary.

That's also the reason why I find it very puzzling how none of the big ones have not done similar concept already. Tesla is basically putting together quite a few "obvious" things, things that for some reason don't seem to be obvious to anybody else.

KimHJ | February 21, 2013

Teslutihia
Wireless charging already exist. Go to Siemens website and look for electric car charging. They charge just like your electric toothbrush.
I think the most important for the next or existing models is to take advantage of all the new battery technology to lower the price on the car.

Tesluthian | February 21, 2013

Timo

You could say Apple's iPhone followed the same logic, it was just the result of the best of a lot of things already available being bundled together like massive phone storage, computer speed chips, widgets called apps, best in screen resolution, computer style operating system, simple scrolling, even pinch & zoom had been around for years. The iPhone was simply the best of everything all thrown together. It was all simple logical progression.

That said why didn't Rimm or Samsung do it first ? They were certainly capable. The answer I guess includes things like no one made them, and they were stuck in a way of doing things that required expertise, but was much simpler strategy to execute and they thought they new what the consumer wanted: buttons and flip phones, confusing symbols, lousy screens, and even worse internet pages that Jobs called "the baby internet".

And that worked until Steve jobs "told" consumers what they wanted: a computer experience in a phone, the same web experience as on their computer, etc, etc and all these things were not new but leading edge with one innovation, a touchscreen keypad on the display, worked with your finger, not a stylus or buttons, and that made the whole thing work. Was it futuristic ?

Well yes and no. The touchscreen was really just a creative, redesigned, ballsy couple of steps forward in general direction technology allowed them to go, its part of the 10% true futuristic innovation of the iPhone. Most people have a hard time just seeing the next progression, fewer still can weave a bunch of leading edge tech into a masterful design. And the holy grail is coming up with the few true innovations that really make it all come together and look futuristic.

Ironically, that's the wrap on Apple's iPhone today, they are just following incremental, logical progression and not coming out with anything more futuristic. If Appl is successful into turning the iPhone partially into a wristwatch and synergising it with athletic apparel and other new features, that may change.

So I agree with you, the Gen III will probably be a shorter MS with incremental improvements thrown in to keep the appeal up and cost down. But if Tesla wants to keep the mojo going, they will have to come up with some futuristic innovations as well. The next 20 Tesla models will tell the tale of where Tesla is headed, fame or flame.

Futuristic ideas are like flame retardant for tech companies.

Tesluthian | February 21, 2013

BrianH

Here's an appetizer for you, I mentioned this already. I think it would be great if the Tesla cars had a battery terminal that allowed ice car jumper cables to be attached to it. I think it would be great publicity to see Tesla cars giving dead battery ice cars a jump start.

Concas | February 21, 2013

1) Add 4G Internet

2) Add "Siri" functionality, where you can ask, "route the quickest way to work considering traffic" or "what is the wait time at the holland tunnel". Instead of "Siri" call it "Kitt" for Kinetically Interfaced Trip Telecomputer.

3) add kinect sensors and internal cams, with face recognition, so that on board computer recognizes drivers and passengers. Therefore no need to select "driver" from center console in order to adjust mirrors, seat, etc.

4) "Kitt" customizes driver experience, media stations, language settings, etc based on detected driver. Turns passenger airbags on or off based scanned passenger size.

5) "Kitt" interfaces with "Siri".
For example, "Tell Siri, to remind me to call Bob at 5pm today."
Siri can also relay a messages and notifications through "Kitt". For example, when prompted by Siri, Kitt would say: "Siri, would like to remind you to pick up the dry cleaning today" or "Since you are in the neighborhood, Siri would like to remind you to drop off the package at FedEx" or "Siri, has a message for you from Bob. It says: Running 10 minutes late."

6) License out the Knight Rider voice as an option, for those of us who remember that "Kitt" was suppose to be one of the first cutting edge alternative fuel vehicles (liquid hydrogen). :)

Brian H | February 22, 2013

Tesluthian;
Don't be fooled by the combo of big storage and a 12V battery. The actual 12V is small; think motorcycle battery. With slow access to the drive battery. Could you jump a car with a motorcycle? I don't wanna stand too close when you try.

Tiebreaker | February 22, 2013

Tesluthian:

Let's look at the iPhone analogy.

The iPhone was not "invented". Apple already had the highly successful iPod Touch, with most of the features - adding cellular radio was a no-brainer.

RIM and Samsung had their own share of the market, and just like the ICE makers today, they didn't want to cannibalize that by a new product. The argument was "iPhone - no keyboard, no good", and many mobile phone users were to agree. (see where RIM is now...)

However, the iPhone in it's basic purpose functions just as any other phone, just better, with a bunch of additional features carried from the iPod. It doesn't send neuro-waves to your brain, or dial on thought, or display a life-size 3D image... (at least not yet). And although priced above the competition, it was within the reach of the average mobile phone user.

Gen III in it's basic purpose needs to function just like any other family car, priced just around there, with the added benefits of the EV drive. There may be a variant that can haul washers and lumber, or one that goes 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, or one that can carry 9 people... but not all of the models need to do all of the things at the same time.

Having said that, it may not be bad to have Mr. Fusion on board. :-P

Timo | February 22, 2013

"The argument was "iPhone - no keyboard, no good", and many mobile phone users were to agree."

I still agree to that. In a phone I like to have proper keys. Touchscreen is good for everything except typing. Arguably my E51 was better phone than my current Lumia 800.

Alex K | February 22, 2013

@Tiebreaker | FEBRUARY 22, 2013: The iPhone was not "invented". Apple already had the highly successful iPod Touch, with most of the features - adding cellular radio was a no-brainer.

Unrelated to the thread, but the iPhone came first not the iPod touch. Check it out at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Apple_Inc._products

danielccc | February 22, 2013

Alex is correct. The iPhone was first. The iPod Touch was a derivative.

What's interesting though is that internally, the iPad was first. Though much thicker and heavier than the eventually marketed iPad. It was on their prototype pad devices that they developed the touch UI, and then they applied that to the phone project.

Tiebreaker | February 22, 2013

@Alex K, @danielccc - Thank you for the correction. The iPod become quickly so prevalent in my family that my memory of the sequence is reversed. Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that the iPhone in it's basic purpose functions just as any other phone...

Tesluthian | February 23, 2013

Celebrating 100th comment by agreeing with someone. Ideas herein should be highly desirable to insanely desirable. The 17 inch display +, is insanely desirable & helps sell the car, keep it for the Gen III. Highly desirable, like Timo said is 4WD, especially places like northern Europe, U.S. etc., should be an option for Gen III.

Not all ideas herein will meet this desirability standard or other standards. Even so, that doesn't mean they can't be listed or discussed. In fact I encourage that. Perhaps those ideas will be right for some distant future models.

Sure keep the cost down, with mass production, MS compatible parts, etc., but not at the cost of losing desirability to drive sales to at least the 50k/yr level & beyond. Or to put it differently, "Don't take the Tesla out of Tesla with the Gen III platform models."

Tesla- ness is like the smart-ness in smartphones, what are smartphones ? Not just a phone; but, also a computer in your pocket as well. Take away the computer part of the smartphone and you lose a lot of desirability.

That said, I'm not suggesting keep everything in the Gen III from the MS. I think you could eliminate the auto-open handles with equally aerodynamic manuel ones for the Gen III. This to speed manufacturing, lower cost, and improve door opening performance.

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