Without fast charger Tesla S is not so interesting?

Without fast charger Tesla S is not so interesting?


In the Netherlands most charges charge at 10 Amp. Maximum iss 16 Amp.
The battery is 85kWh. With 230 Volt charging at 16 Amp might bring 16*230volt =3600Watt dus 3,6 Kilowatt to the battery.
85 / 3,6 is 23 hours for a full charge. Charging at 10 Amp wil take even longer,,,,

It looks like without a fast/super charger it is not very interesting to have a car like this?


archibaldcrane | February 17, 2013

Are you referring to public chargers? Because obviously most people charge at home overnight, and you should be able to set up whatever type of home charging you like, right? Note: I don't know anything about the electrical system in the Netherlands. If you're relying solely on public chargers I could see how that could be a pain.

Ojee99 | February 17, 2013

Yes, I live in an appartment, and I'm relying solely on the public charger in the garage my car is always parked in.... :-(

jat | February 17, 2013

When you say most chargers are 10A, do you mean public J1772 chargers, or do you mean regular outlets? If the latter, in most cases you don't use a standard outlet but install either a 50A circuit (that you charge at 40A over) or a dedicated EV charger, such as the HPWC. Those can all completely fill the battery from empty overnight (30A might be tight).

Even at 10A, you can recover about 73 rated miles overnight (10 hours), so I think that will be plenty for typical commutes. When you go on a long trip, you will need to charge faster, but if there are faster EV chargers (either J1772, Supercharger, or if an adapter is released CHAdeMO) on your path you would be fine then.

archibaldcrane | February 17, 2013

Well, if you can always park overnight hooked up to that charger, you can pull around 100 miles (160km) of range in 8 hours - so it just depends on your driving habits, your commute, etc. If you have to share one single low-amp charger with other EVs in your garage you're probably going to run into some trouble. There's no way to get a higher-amp outlet installed, even if you pay for the installation?

Sudre_ | February 17, 2013

This is the usual chicken and the egg problem. ICE cars were not that interesting in the beginning because there were no gas stations. Give it some time and hopefully things will improve for you. I was really surprised how fast Tesla is advancing on the Supercharger network in the US.

drp | February 17, 2013

Also remember you battery will never be completely empty so you can manage your charging during the day but if you have no plug at night I agree that is a problem.

patrick.meier | February 18, 2013

@Onno: Not sure what the situation is with electrical installations, but I understand the Netherlands have a high number of reservation holders. Surely, there should be information available from Tesla NL?

olanmills | February 18, 2013

Can you possibly offer to pay for or share some of the cost of installing a higher capacity circuit for charging at your apartment?

Jolinar | February 18, 2013

Tesla promised Superchargers in Europe too as well as 3-phase charging. I guess you will have more possible charging solutions than you realized.

flyfr8 | April 2, 2013

I find that installing a dedicated line from the main electric panel to supply the HPWC at 100 amps should give max mph.
...... no car yet have to wait another week!

DTsea | April 3, 2013

It is true that owning a large-battery electric car but depending on public chargers is a tough proposition. In the US the public chargers cost $1-$1.50 per hour; but are typically 30Amp J1772, about 7 kW. So, about $.14-$.20 per kWh and can (overnight, ten hours) nearly fully charge a Model S.

If limited to 16Amps at 230V (3.7 kW) you would get about 11 miles (17 km) per hour of charging. So, if you drive less than 170 km per day you would be ok.

dstiavnicky | April 3, 2013

I thought Norway was way ahead of the rest of the world with the electric movement. Even my 120V provides 12A, my 240V delivers a solid 40Amp. How do you not get the same from 240V?

RhoonNL | April 3, 2013

Standard electric power of Dutch households is 16A x 230V, in most cases upgradable to 3 fase 25A x 230V.
Upgrading and installing a homecharger will cost me about € 4000. With an off peak rate of € 0,23 / kWh (peak rate is only € 0,006 / kWh more) I will have to drive 60000 electric miles to get break even compared to my current Audi diesel.

So I decided to try to live without a home charger first. For most trips a standard outlet should be enough. Fortunately I have a public charger within 2 miles from my home. Just in case (my bicycle fits in the trunk).

Ojee99 perhaps could share to cost of a high power charger with the owner or follow the same strategy as I will do.

RhoonNL | April 3, 2013

Fase = phase