CNN Reproducing NYT Trip

CNN Reproducing NYT Trip

This is happening Thursday (2/14/13) afternoon...follow this twitter IDs to track:

@CNNMoney @PeterDrives @AbigailBassett

More to follow!

Runar | February 14, 2013

Yes:-D go CNN, remember to charge more than 28%

Brian H | February 14, 2013

Looks like it will be a breeze, so far.

Brian H | February 14, 2013

Done! Milford, CT, 1 hr ago. "lead-footin'" for 20 miles, 38 to spare.

Mike C | February 14, 2013

Love it. Makes Broder look like a moron. Why did he have to stay anywhere overnight anyway?

Brian H | February 14, 2013

"126 miles to our hotel in Boston. Game over." (Showing pic of charging completing with 271 miles available.)

ColonyGolfer | February 14, 2013

Do you think Broder was driving around the parking lot in reverse to "eat up" some range to validate his claim?

Timo | February 14, 2013

Same in Abigails tweet:

Two hours left to Boston.

Timo | February 14, 2013

@dvclifford; considering how stupid he looks that's definitely a possibility.

trydesky | February 14, 2013

good stuff.

Superliner | February 14, 2013

Well it looks like the CNN team miraculously !!! made the trip w/o range issues, imagine that Broder who?

bfranks273 | February 14, 2013

CNN, thats cool. If we can get FOX to do it, then its back to bussing tables for him.

Brian H | February 14, 2013

She tweeted "2 hours to go" 2 hours ago. Now to see if they got obliterated by a giant snowball meteorite, or SLT.

tvntesla | February 14, 2013

They apparently made it:
They seem to be more intelligent test drivers than the one from the NYT

Runar | February 14, 2013

Burn Broder burn. ;-)

lph | February 14, 2013

His report seems to be on the broder-line of insanity ;-)

kenliles | February 14, 2013

Whoops Blodgett of Business Insider published just to soon and now looks as stupid as NY Times, Forbes and the rest
When will these guys ever learn

Timo | February 14, 2013

Looks like challenge was not how to make that trip, challenge was how not to make that trip.

It was clearly quite a challenge for Broder to not make that trip.

Bubba2000 | February 14, 2013

Obviously the Broder prejudiced against electric cars. So he rigged the test against the Model S. It is not his first article against BEVs. What he fails to realize is that battery capacity has historically improved by 7%/year. Over 5 years, it amounts to 40%.

Meanwhile, Model S (or its successors), will improve their electronics like the inverter efficiency, motor efficiency, etc. Heating or AC load could be reduced with light weight foam insulation, insulated/laminated glass, use of heating pump, etc. The weight of the car could reduce using stronger Al alloys that combine Al with such metals as Copper, Mg, Mn, Cu, etc. Structural design improvements could reduce the weight further. Battery packaging itself may have room for weight reduction. Overall, the car weighs nearly 4,800 lbs and 1,000-1,200 of that is battery and packaging. Leaves a lot of room for weight loss. Loose may be 500-1,000 lbs. Nominal range could go to 500 miles. Cost could drop too like most appliances have done.

ian | February 14, 2013

I'm curious what the temperature was for the CNN trip. Did I miss it mentioned in the article? Not that it would have changed the outcome. Just curious.

tvntesla | February 14, 2013

I could read the temperature from a photo that they took on twitter and it was 41 degree

tvntesla | February 14, 2013

sorry 40 degrees

kenliles | February 14, 2013

Well said

bradslee | February 14, 2013

With CNN's repeated trip, it shows, in my opinion, that if Mr. Broder were honest, he has proved himself being a real fool or if Mr. Broder were not honest, he has proved himself being a Tesla hater. Forbes and NYT seem to be in the same Tesla bashing camp.

Carefree | February 15, 2013

To be (somewhat) fair. The conditions were not the same. During Broder's trip it was bitter cold whereas CNN had 40 degree weather.

jeroens | February 15, 2013


Wow that headline hurts. Does not help the cause....

The Tesla Nightmare Shows Why Today's All-Electric Cars Are (Basically) Dead On Arrival

Read more:

Mark Z | February 15, 2013

That Business Insider article is biased, out of date, and does not reference the Musk blog. Avoid it.

Here is an example of quality journalism.

Jeff Miller | February 15, 2013

I agree with Carefree. The difference in temperature leaves Broder some wiggle room. Ideally, the trip should be repeated at temperatures that are at least as cold as they were on Broder's trip. That would be definitive. I'd be tempted to do it myself, except that I live in Chicago and don't yet have my model S (expecting it in the next few weeks).

Dwdnjck@ca | February 15, 2013

No it doesn't. the difference in range would be minuscule. CNN made the trip with miles to spare.

jat | February 15, 2013

Broder is always going to have wiggle room. I think continuing a war of words won't help anything -- just highlight others making the same trip without problems and leave it at that.

prash.saka | February 15, 2013

Nice. This is icing on the cake.

jk2014 | February 15, 2013

I think the flurry of current owners doing the Broder trip will really be interesting to compare. I think as more MS are sold, it should become an annual event... "Tour de Broder"

roseland67 | February 15, 2013

Border may either be "shorting" Tesla, or was paid by
Those who are.
Tesla delivers Q4 $$$ results today?
Possible this was just a $$$$ market play.

Carefree | February 15, 2013

Q4 results are due on 2/20 NOT today.

RedShift | February 15, 2013

+1 jk2014

I was mentioning the same thing to my wife yesterday :-)

TOUR DE BRODER should become an annual event.

kenliles | February 15, 2013

Elon tweet - links to a video report of the CNN trip
"If data says Broder fudged test drive and CNN shows same on *camera*, then no reasonable doubt remains

GeirT | February 15, 2013

@ jk2014

"Tour de Broder" is an excellent idea! :-))

atlg8or | February 15, 2013

Saw someone post on TMC (referencing a Leaf board) that intentionally running your battery out should from now on be termed "Brodering" :)

bradslee | February 15, 2013

@jk2014 and @GeirT,

"Tour de Broder" annual event on Feb 5 would be a great idea. A "Broder Award" should also be given at the event to any MS owner who stuck on the road because he/she "brodered" his/her MS.

Brian H | February 15, 2013

Yeah, about 100 AFAIK. What would be interesting is to see the two logs side-by-side!

Brian H | February 15, 2013

Another difference: Peter is an actual car reviewer. I.e., a competent driver and analyst.

Cattledog | February 15, 2013

I have exchanged a few thoughts with said Broder.

nickjhowe | February 15, 2013

Broder [brohd-er]
to attempt (but fail) to flatten the battery of an electric vehicle: I tried to broder it, but it wouldn't brick.
to deliberately omit certain facts to alter the interpretation of events: If we broder it a little, they'll think it failed.

to make exaggerated claims to make something sound more interesting: [National Inquirer Editor:] "we need to add some more broder to this story.

kenliles | February 15, 2013

@Brian H
re: Peter is an professional car reviewer difference'
Excellent point and one an obvious one I haven't heard many make

portia | February 15, 2013

does he deserve to be immortalized? somebody give me examples of imfamous annual events!

Robert22 | February 15, 2013

Having driven my car for a week in below-freezing temperatures, sometimes in the teens, I can tell you it's a different ballgame whether you preheat or not. It feels like you're driving an ICE vehicle with a small hole in the gas tank. Rated mileage drops off much more quickly than expected. It's not a problem if you're aware of it, but easily could be if you're not. The test needs to be repeated under similar temperature conditions as was mentioned above if Tesla really wants to make a statement. And please folks, vet and train the journalists that will be speaking to the world about your car. A lot of damage to the brand could have been avoided if the driver had been given even a cursory backgroind check, and had to pass a basic MS competency test before heading to Boston.

Robert22 | February 15, 2013

Correction: regardless of whether...

kenliles | February 15, 2013

Could be you guys in the Midwest (or other) cold will just have to pay the ICE price for a while or move. The rest of the country is in global warming :)

I lived in Minnesota for 12 years and finally escaped. I have no sympathy. Deal with it

Brian H | February 16, 2013

I got the distinct impression B. was trying to make it look like he was emulating (his concept of) a typical doofus driver. Perhaps on the grounds that though the current owners are mostly 'sperts, that's not a measure of the (low) standard of attention and care the public is prepared to exert.

Lots of issues there, but one is that the current price point pretty much filters out the lower end of the user scale he was "representing".

The globe's warming plateaued about 16 years ago, and is most likely to reverse now for a couple of decades, before plateauing at a much cooler level for another decade or so. The S better be prepared!

kenliles | February 16, 2013
jk2014 | February 16, 2013

+1 jat