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From reservation to delivery in less than 3 months??

From reservation to delivery in less than 3 months??

I put in my reservation for an 85k Model S on January 16th.

Yesterday I received an e-mail "Time to Build Your Model S". Estimated delivery date? Late March!

Is this too good to be true? I didn't expect delivery until around September and well, I am so far NOT COMPLAINING.

-Rick

Nova315 | February 5, 2013

How do you know it's late march? Does it say Feb-March as the time frame?

shop | February 5, 2013

I put in reservation late November and my estimated date is late feb, early march, so that's a hair above 3 months too.

Superliner | February 5, 2013

It just keeps getting better and better!

jlbrowniii | February 5, 2013

I was told the same thing and finalized my car yesterday. Have not received the paperwork to sign yet. I too was told a March/April delivery. I was expecting another 3-6 months.

ricardo.rossi.ar | February 5, 2013

I put my reservation for a 40k in mid december. There telling me april - may for my delivery date. I was surprised how soon, they told me 9-12 months back in december.

thinkrick | February 5, 2013

Yeah, when I finalized the design it gave me the estimated delivery time frame. :)

Nova315 | February 5, 2013

@thinkrick -- did it actually say late march for you? Just trying to figure things out myself. I was shown Feb-Mar time frame when I wrapped up last month. We're in to February but I don't have any updates, just curious as to what other folks are seeing. Thanks.

lehman | February 5, 2013

Placed my res in September, finalized build early January, getting it tomorrow, so excited I can't sleep.

Brian H | February 5, 2013

lehman;
just pretend it's not coming for another month. ;) <8p

kevinf311 | February 6, 2013

Placed my reservation (60kWhr) in mid-December, got the Finalize button late January.

Unfortunately, I am not in a position to accept the car this early, and I'll be pushing my finalize date out past when I would have the lower pricing scheme.

Luckily, the increase in price is not terribly high, and when I am ready for the car I won't have to worry about scheduling around trips!

I am going to e-mail them (today probably since I'm thinking about it) to see how long one can push the finalization after the date posted. I was expecting the car more towards late summer early fall, and would like to keep that time table if possible.

wthieldelgado | February 6, 2013

I placed my reservation in mid November and confirmed my configuration yesterday. Estimated delivery was Feb-March as well.

Edneff | February 6, 2013

I finalized in January on 85kw non P red pano air suspension and got a delivery date of April-May. I thought that the red would start production in March... That's five months.

TINO F | February 6, 2013

Placed my order in June, and finalized in early December. Nothing yet on a delivery date or 2nd round of paperwork. P85, Teck pkg, Sound, 21" Silv Wheels,Pano,air susp. Hoping to hear something someday. Called, and now... twiddling... away.

GeekEV | February 6, 2013

@kevinf311 - While the price increase isn't that much, it grows when you start to consider some things that were standard before are options now...

FWIW, I a 60 reserved in late September, finalized about a ago, and now have a Feb - Mar delivery. I was just told via email it's looking like mid-Mar. So exciting!

RobertMontreal | February 6, 2013

Hearing this actually worries me a little... doesn't it mean that they are burning through the reservation list too fast meaning that the reservation list has gotten smaller faster than 400 cars/week?

GeekEV | February 6, 2013

Not necessarily. They are building them out of order in batches of like configurations. The only ones who know for sure are Tesla. Even if that's true, new ones keep rolling in. What really matters is if they're selling all that they can make. At the moment that's a yes.

Pungoteague_Dave | February 6, 2013

RobertMontreal,

I have the same worries. Is EV adoption so weak, or these cars so expensive, that they have already satiated those of us who hung out waiting or three or four years, and now there are not enough buyers with enough bucks to buy a $90k+ auto that comes with range compromises compared to ICE vehicles? Even with all the great free publicity and awards from car magazines? If that doesn't build backlog, what will?

I have given a lot of test drives in this great auto to people who could afford one, but come away with the impression that it is too constrained or risky. People fundamentally don't trust start-ups and prefer to play safe with big financial investments. They know that Mercedes, BMW and Porsche will be around in a couple years, but Tesla cold easily be toast by then. There's also political ramifications. It turns out that buying one of these things has put me into a club of greenies, an association that some might prefer to avoid. It is also true that TM could not exist without massive government subsidies, a fact that troubles some potential buyers enough to give them pause.

While TM remains financially speculative I think the buyer pool will stay small. Argues for TM to align with one of the major brands sooner than later.

SD Supercharger | February 6, 2013

@Pungotegue
Not sure i agree with you. (1) If you look at the upper end sports sedan market (BMW 5,6,7-Mercedes E,S, Audi 6,8, Porsche Panamera, etc.) that is quite a sizable market worldwide. Taking a large bite out of that with the Model S is certainly attainable. From some of the threads here, Model S is also drawing from the Prius crowd and other electric enthusiasts that want to move up. When gas prices hit $5 a gallon in the US (not far off) I think a superior product like the model S will make more sense to a larger segment of the population, especially if there are 30-40,000 out on the roads performing well. Lastly, battery improvements resulting in better range or price reductions for similar range, will add to the customer base, not to mention that improved marketing/advertising will also attract more interest.
To accomplish this, Tesla will need to listen closely to its customer base, work hard to get repeat buyers, and continue to improve the car to the point that it has all of the features (and more) that customers expect in this income bracket.

bobinfla | February 6, 2013

Reading the forums sometimes makes it sound that reservations made last week will get their car any day now. But I agree with Geek EV, there is a whole lot of number jumping around that none of us understand except Tesla. My P6918 P85 has yet to be delivered, and I expect I'm not the only 85kwh still waiting over a year, not to mention the 60 & 40 batteries. So some of the higher number deliveries going on doesn't mean that's where the queue has really reached, or that the backlog is evaporating.

jat | February 6, 2013

They won't have started the production of 40kWh batteries, red paint, or standard suspension by then, so you will go ahead of all the orders waiting on those. FWIW, I originally configured for red and was told May, then changed to silver and they moved it up to the end of January. Then I said I would be happy to take a 2012 model and didn't need financing, and I got moved up to 12/31. So, I suspect a ton of people are waiting on red, as there was basically two month's worth of production ahead of me waiting on red if I had waited.

On their G+ posts, they have said that the waiting time for an order placed today is 3-6 months, so either they are expecting higher cancellations than we have been seeing or they are keeping up the breakneck pace of the end of the year. Earlier posts indicated they expected to have delivered everyone that had an order in by 12/31 by earlier summer.

Brian H | February 6, 2013

P_D;
What subsidies? Subsidies are cash gifts. TM took out a DoE-backed loan, and is repaying it. Early. The $7500 purchaser credit is not a subsidy to TM; it helps somewhat with marketing. So, what subsidies, "massive" or otherwise, are you talking about?

jat | February 6, 2013

@PD - aside from it being loans rather than subsidies as BrianH points out, that DoE loan was a drop in the bucket compared to the bailout for GM because they kept milking SUVs and large trucks instead of building smaller, more efficient vehicles. So when they whine about the loan to Tesla, point out that you paid 50x as much towards their Tahoe belching exhaust.

Sudre_ | February 7, 2013

I'm with Brain. Whenever someone asks about subsidies I just ask what subsidies?

So, Pungoteague what subsidies?

I would also point out that if big oil losses it's $2.4 Billion in yearly subsidies, gas prices will go thru the roof.

Lou in SoCal | February 7, 2013

Reserved early November for a 60 kWh and now have a delivery window of Feb. 9-23rd. That's right about 3 months. Crossing my fingers that the delivery window is accurate.

craig.tesla | February 7, 2013

@Sudre_: to be fair, $2.4 billion, if that's all it is, is a tiny drop in the bucket for big oil. In 2011, the US consumed 134 billion gallons of gasoline. At say $3/gallon, $2.4 bln is less than one percent of the revenue just from gasoline, let alone the other crude fractions.

...of course there are some who reckon that the true subsidy of Big Oil is far higher if you include all the external costs not just the direct ones....

http://www.progress.org/gasoline.htm

Pungoteague_Dave | February 7, 2013

The $7,500 tax credit IS a direct subsidy. Brian, are you kidding? Even the tax credit law sponsors called it that. A DIRECT government payment for more than 13% of the base price of a vehicle, borrowed from future generations? It is the very definition of a subsidy. Same for the tens of thousands the government paid me to install soar panels, and the $149k direct tax credit payment it gave me in the form of renewable energy credits to build our new home - for the geothermal system and related elements, such as the home automation system with its iPads, etc. All subsidies.

Put another way, over 10% of TM revenues come directly from taxpayer subsidies. Any other interpretation is wishful or magical thinking.

RAFellows | February 7, 2013

According to the CBO, the total cost of the EV tax credit will be about $7.5b spread over 7 years when it will expire. Occording to conservative estimates the YEARLY subsidies to the oil & gas industries is $10b. And that doesn't include our militaries contribution such some estimate at another $40b.
I think the $7b is a small price to pay to launch an industry that saves lives, pollutes our air, water and soil less and in the end saves a lot of tax payer dollars.
If that's not enough for you I'll send you 2¢, but I want some change back.

RAFellows | February 7, 2013

Sorry for the spelling errors. Posting via mobile has its drawbacks.

MNFowler | February 7, 2013

Finalized my 85 kWh, pearl white, loaded today in DC store following an amazing test drive. Store personnel said that delivery would be 4-6 months, but when I went thru the finalization process online, the stated delivery window was late March- early April. Reservation had been made 1/3/13.

I had a question during the finalization process so I called the Tesla 800 number from the store. I asked the gentleman who answered the call about the accuracy of the online time frame for delivery. He said, without hesitation, that the March-April time frame was a solid one, but that it actually might be a couple of weeks into April, but only because of transportation bottlenecks.

I'm ecstatic! This car is like nothing I have driven before. Nothing! Nothing!

gregv64 | February 7, 2013

I definitely agree that the $7500 is a government subsidy, although not specific to Tesla. Your original assertion that they could not exist without that subsidy is open to debate, however.

Vawlkus | February 7, 2013

On the subject of bailouts and subsidies, I have only this to say:

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jat | February 7, 2013

@Vawlkus - +1, I loved that fake ad when it came out

Brian H | February 8, 2013

Still waiting for the "massive" subsidies you claim Tesla got and needed. Purchase assistance doesn't count. E.g., European and Canadian buyers don't get any American money, though their own governments may kick in.

The $7500 is no way a subsidy to Tesla. They get the same $ per car with or without it. There may be a few more buyers, but that's a different matter. Same for the green power, although it is far more likely it would stifle that market severely to remove the consumer grants and FITs.

I regard the bailout moneys p***ed against the wall with the bankers and auto makers as subsidies. And grants directly to firms.

DouglasR | February 8, 2013

If you want to talk about "externalities," how about the fact that ICE buyers are allowed to dump pollutants into the atmosphere and the rest of the environment for free. Usually people have to pay to have their garbage hauled away, but ICE owners get a nice break that nobody ever talks about.

rlpm | February 10, 2013

I reserved on 25 Dec 2012 (merry Christmas to me!), and just got my delivery button and window of Mar 11-25. If they hit that window, it'll be right at or just under three months. And I'm pretty sure others who reserved after I did also got their delivery windows today.

RAFellows | February 10, 2013

I reserved on 11/27/12 and just found my Red Delivery button this evening. After completing the questionaire is shows a projected pickup window at the Seattle Service Center of March 1 to 15. So pretty close to 3 months. It must be the right combo for February.

85kWh non-perf Grey/Grey/Lacewood/Pano/Tech/Sound/Air/21"/Twin chargers and Armor.

Steve_W | February 10, 2013

I signed my MVPA on January 26, 2013 and Tesla counter-signed it on January 28, 2013. I just got the delivery button with a two week delivery period of March 6 to March 20. Less than 2 months from signing contract to delivery. Car is a white Performance 85 with tan interior, CF trim and spoiler, pano roof, tech package, sound package, 21 inch gray wheels and twin chargers.

DallasMD | February 10, 2013

Reservation #18,522 1/21/13
Configured 2/4/13
Delivery button 2/10/13
Delivery window 3/4-14/13
2 months from reservation to delivery! Can't believe it!

P85, blue, tech, air

portia | February 10, 2013

+1 BrianH
tax credit does not go to Tesla, so it is not a subsidy to Tesla.

DTsea | February 10, 2013

Pungoteague Dave- I pay BOATLOADS of taxes. While I don't have to have the $7500 tax credit to afford a Model S (I get mine this week), it's not 'borrowed from future generations.' It's just not 'taken from me.' If you don't owe taxes you don't get the credit. What's 'borrowed from future generations' is that more than half the population either pays no federal taxes or receives benefits that exceed their tax liability in value.

Look- I am a free market guy. I don't like the government picking winners or protectionism. Unfortunately it's a rough world out there, and our competitors play by different rules. They want to have our nice lifestyle too and they don't play nice and don't want us setting the rules. The de-industrialization of this country is a serious issue. So, if the Feds want to give a tax credit for electric cars, that's better than a lot of the other bonehead incentives on offer.

My 2 cents. I am not buying the car to be green- I just like it. But here in Seattle, that will fit the mainstream just fine anyway- people are excited to see these cars.

Of course we have clean hydro power at 10 cents a kWh and expensive gas. So that helps too!

GLarwill | February 10, 2013

Initial reservation Dec 16, #15947
Received delivery window today of 3/1-3/15.
Last day of the window would be 1 day short of 3 months.
Pearl, standard 85kWh, Grey, Black, Air, Sound, Tech, Dual Chargers

hnashif | February 10, 2013

I reserved on 12/27/2012 and got my build button today (02/10/2013) and was given a delivery window of 03/01-15/2013.

Woodinville | February 10, 2013

Well said DTsea. I'm sure that like many others we bought the S because it is a great vehicle. Fed rebate (and WA State tax exempt.) are a nice bonus but didn't factor in to my decision to buy the S- P85 . Every aspect of this purchase has been a pleasure so far.

Can't say I've ever enjoyed buying a vehicle from conventional auto dealers. They structure their business process to beat up the buyer and grab as many $'s as possible. How many times have you heard "I'll see what my manager says" and then waited 15-20 minutes as they bring back a lowball price for your trade? I find their high pressure "better buy now because..." tactics insulting. I hope the courts tells those slimy New York and Massachusetts auto dealers to stop crying and mind their own archaic business. Their fat, antiquated selling processes are starting to sound alot like the unions that have done their best to crush manufacturing in our country

I would have paid a $7500 premium (instead of rebate) had I known how enjoyable the Tesla buying process was going to be.

Brian H | February 11, 2013

Woolinville;
+1
The proof of the Tesla pudding is in the reservation rate. In its first full year of availability, at twice the price, it's going to exceed the total Leaf sales to date. And probably Volt sales. Product quality and value/$ makes all the difference.

kevinf311 | February 11, 2013

@Geek EV

You gave me quite a start with the bit about standard/optional equipment, but I just crosschecked in the design studio (between one logged in browser and one not logged in) and with the options I chose (Air, Tech, Leather, Supercharging) everything seems to be the same and the only difference is the $2500 price hike.

Can you speak to which features were changed along with the price?

Brian H | February 11, 2013

Seats.

danielccc | February 11, 2013

@Pungoteague_Dave, oil companies receive tons of subsidies around the World, some direct, some less so and little known. Pipelines, for example, are tax-exempt, but almost nobody knows this and it is not counted as an "oil subsidy" because it's not an extraction subsidy.

Subsidies, breaks, and loopholes are so large that, depending on conditions, Exxon some years pays no net Federal income tax at all, as in 2009.

Not to mention, I subsidize the oil business with my health every time I breathe the fumes and soot, and so do you.