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For the Tesla Gen III, what 100 new features would you like to imagine or see available ?

For the Tesla Gen III, what 100 new features would you like to imagine or see available ?

Teslarians, what futuristic, hitech, game changer, ultra green, uber-cool, alto safety, mass production friendly, cost reducing, profit increasing features should Tesla's next generation, Gen III, vehicle have ? Also include Model C, S & X.

Whether large or small, simple or complex, technical or not, what are your ideas ?

To get started, here are some thoughts:

1) Put see through glass Tesla Shield  
   on hood  made of painted glass. The
   shield and letter T are left clear glass 
   and shows off the frunk by day. At 
   night a Hue light , with millions of 
   color variations can can be turn on 
   inside the frunk to light up the shield 
   and T during night driving. 

http://www.meethue.com/en-US

2) Have detachable Household AC plug  
 battery  packs near base of seats  
 powered by solar panels on roof.

3) Anti crash system stops car from
  running into things. Qualifies for   
  insurance discount?

4) Retractable semi-opaque, tinted sun
 visors controlled by button on
 steering wheel similar to pulling down  
 a window shade electronically. It's 
 more functional because it allows the 
 driver to control visor on driver's 
 window, passenger window, and both 
 sides of the windshield. Could this be the world's best sun visor?

5) Have all wheels turn to 90 degrees,
  great for parallel parking. Have car
  capable of self parking.

6) Create @tesla/talk.car Internet
    extension  for car related services 
    only to compliment .com sites. 

The .car extensions have voice only interface, with limited button pushing similar to a radio, no texting except through voice to text.

7) Shape the red tail lights as close
  as possible to the Tesla T Logo.
  Red led lights across bumper under
  the plate spell out Tesla Motors EV
  and highlight when brakes applied.

8) Equip Gen III with two sliding doors
  or 4 regular doors. To create
  easier access the opening door
  includes 1/3 of the roof. Also press a
  button in the door jamb to slide the
  front seats forward.

   A variation of this, have 1/3 strip of 
   roof retract toward the center of the 
   roof when you open the door.

9 ) NFD Near Field Discounts auction.
  Type in lunch etc. 5 miles distance, 
  2hrs for exa and nearby Merchants 
  continuously update bids against  
  each other on giving you    
  discounts for lunch.

10) KeyPay/CarPal digitized keychain 
      can be used to pay electronically, 
      and receits  are tagged& organized 
      into personal & business categories 
      for taxes. Syncs with smartphone 
      app and car consol to store info on the web.

11) Computerized self parking, both 
      back in and parallel .

Tesluthian | March 23, 2013

joelbryan

I do think it's possible to get some mechanical/electrical energy from the suspension and shocks on the MS. 4500 lbs of vehicle flexing various metal parts of the car is a lot of force that can be captured and returned to the battery. The bumpier the ride, the more mechanical electricity returned to the battery ! Someone will have to design and invent it first.

I also think there is some mechanical/kinetic energy recovery possibilities for the tires, to return electricity to the battery. For example, at the point where the four tires contact the road, 4500 lbs of force is pushing on the tires from the car & road on the model S. When the tire roles, the force rotates around the tire and could be captured. The tires of course would have to be re-invented. And I don't know if centrifugal force would cancel out the effect.

These two ideas would be in addition to regenerative braking , which only works when the brakes are applied. However, one way to possibly generate (not regenerate) electricity from the wheels, that would be simpler and faster to invent is thus:
Make the rim of the wheel out of a hardened magnet. Put an electric wire through 2 axles connecting the four
wheels and leading back to the battery. When the magnetic rims of the tires rotate around the metal wire, it
will produce free electricity since the rim and tires have to rotate anyway when the car is in motion.

For quick verification and background info on this see the section "Other Configurations" in the link below.

http://www.school-for-champions.com/science/electrical_generation.htm

Using Elon's first principles, I'd guess at least an additional 10-20 % more electric range is possible for
capture.

Tesluthian | March 23, 2013

Now for a special treat you won't get on any other thread, creativity exercises to pump up your creative solutions muscles. Good for both technical and nontechnical types and people of all endeavors. The first question to share,I got from a book. It helps broaden your solution sets. In fact some solutions can even be infinite. Most people fall into the camp that believes their is only one perfect/best solution to a given problem. Ok here's the creativity building question:

1) How many uses can you find for a paperclip/s ?

Ok single answers include
1) clipping papers
2) tieclip

Break assumption, reform paperclip
3) fishhook
4) plastic bread bag twisty

Break assumption, create multiple infinite solutions
5) Twist together into different art pieces of infinite types large and small.
6) Form into letters, create infinite writings and sayings.

Use first principles,
7) A paperclip is a given amount of metal, melt them down by the ton, pour into molds or roll into sheets, make
into infinite shapes of metal products.
8) Interact these paper lip machined parts with other metal parts, make an infinite amount of machines.

Ok you get the idea, from single ideas, to infinite solution sets, how many can you name ? Feel free to answer here or use anywhere else you like, just thought I share and possibly stimulate more Gen3 ideas as well. If you care to post responses, don't forget to post the question. Thanks and create on.

Tesluthian | March 23, 2013

Continuing on our creativity endeavors to stimulate ideas for Gen3, or for any other thread, or for just plan old anything you need ideas for. This is a Tesluthian original and it involves infinite, infinities solutions. Ok here's the question:

Can you think of an example of an infinite solution set, where each solution is itself an infinite solution ?

This is of course a lot harder, here's one example:

1) Physicist say one possible explanation of everything is the infinite-multiverse, where infinite universes are
created each with different laws and values of physics. And an infinite number of these universes are
expanding infinitely, never repeating a pattern, and all different.

This this is an example of an infinite solution of infinities. Can you think of any others ? I have a Tesluthian answer for you, one you read about no doubt in grade school. But first I'll let you give it a try.

Tesluthian | March 23, 2013

The next creative, Tesluthian, original, question develops reframing or change of perspective to see and reason an answer, Here's the question:

1) What common object is both itself and it's opposite at all times, AND it is also just itself, AND not its opposite
all the time?

I guess you could say some subatomic particles maybe, but this object is easily seen. @Timo & @BrianH you probably already figured it out, wait a little before giving the answer, thnx.

Tesluthian | March 23, 2013

This question is a real Zen Koan I read about, the book didn't give an answer; but I have a real Tesluthian answer for you. To get some answers, it helps to break through your emotional, cultural assumptions to get some answers for a seemingly impossible question. Hear's the Zen Koan Question:

1) What is the sound of one hand clapping ? Can you come up with multiple answers ? Can you come up with
an Infinite answer or two ? As a help, let's say "silence" is not an answer, actual sound descriptions are
wanted for answers.

Tesluthian | March 23, 2013

Ok after these creativity questions , our brains should be charged enough to get to one thousand suggestions. I think we are between 200 & 300 right now.

Tesluthian | March 23, 2013

Here's a thought question for the EE's.

1) On the MS-85 how many miles does one electron move the MS-85 kWh ? Let's call it MPE (miles per electron).
Yes I know it will be a really small number.

B) How many nanometers does one electron move the MS-85 (NPE) ?

2) How does the MPE & NPE of the MS-85 compare to the MPE & NPE of the MS-40 kWh ?

3) How many nanograms will one MS-85 kWh electron push one nanometer ? Ditto MS-40 ?

Here's a chance to show your calculating mastery.

***I believe the number of total electrons was calculated in a Tesla Motors company post.

Tesluthian | March 23, 2013

Can you design a feature on the Gen3 that is not a perpetual motion machine, but increases milage ?

Tesluthian | March 23, 2013

Here's a feature for all Beijing Tesla cars, Gas Mask Quality Air Filters to filter out the smog from the air before you breathe it while driving the car. Tesla will own the AEV market in Beijing.

TeslaRocks | March 24, 2013

@Tesluthian
Double-thick, sure. Makes sense in a truck. Whatever the shape, the point is it will need lots of cells, probably much more than 7,000. All added weight must contribute to:
(a) power or
(b) strength to deal with all that power.
Also, if battery weight to total weight is in similar proportion as in model S, it could probably have comparable acceleration performance. So Tesla could also redo that stupid Hemmi drag race ad with the two dense dudes and show some really interesting performance. Not that impressive acceleration is important in a truck, but I don't see why it couldn't be done (say in 7 seconds). Of course, priority should go to the right attributes, such as strength, power, torque, and so on.

Not sure in-wheel motors have much appeal. I hear that and see increased maintenance or risk of failure. Plus, they will add weight to any wheel of same strength, and wheels are the last place you want to add weight, because of the extra energy you'll need as you accelerate versus if that same extra weight is not rotating. Basic physics.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moment_of_inertia

So an in-wheel motor would have to be very outstanding in other regards to at least compensate for these problems. But I grant you that for a pick-up truck, it could mean no transmission of any kind to break, since the force is applied directly to the ground.

If the Bluestar inherits similar performance or at least range as the model S, the luxury segment will keep pushing the limit, so 500 mile per charge AEV is probably just a matter of time. I think Tesla achieved a good compromise so far, between range and cost/battery size. With battery technology evolving probably very fast, it doesn't make much sense to build cars that have much more ranged than needed if the batteries involved will eventually become obsolete. Better be a little more conservative and upgrade later when you can do more with less. That's what's wonderful about technology: one of the few things on this planet that generally tends to get better and cheaper as time goes on.

Yes, electrons on board was an early Tesla blog post... tiny indeed.

"Can you design a feature on the Gen3 that is not a perpetual motion machine, but increases mil[e]age ?"

Answer: extreme aerodynamics. If energy consumption at speed becomes small enough (thanks to extreme aerodynamics), then solar panels might become worthwhile and range could potentially become near-infinite, so to speak.

Brian H | March 25, 2013

Double-thick is also double-heavy and double hot. Lots of complications there; it amounts to double-stacking the cells. Very low chance of going that route rather than improving the cells, IMO. But who knows what lurks in the minds of Tesla engineers?

Tesluthian | March 25, 2013

@TeslaRocks

I think your right, in-wheel motors are not ready for prime time. Let the the technology develop for awhile. That said, what about the angular momentum effects of a spinning disk that would comprise the in-wheel motor ? Did some viding where the angular momentum, in the correct orientation, makes it easier to lift a given weight. Was very interesting. I'll see if I can find the vid.

On extreme aerodynamic design, I've seen some of those solar car contest, lots of surface area, not much cargo space.

Tesluthian | March 25, 2013

@BrianH

You forgot double the price.

Brian H | March 25, 2013

I didn't forget it, but no one (here) knows the actual battery price, so what would double?

TeslaRocks | March 26, 2013

@Tesluthian

Right, solar cars are at the true extreme of aerodynamics. I meant extreme compared to the box cars of today, so even more aerodynamic than the model S, which would end up at a happy compromise between performance and practicality. There is still lots of room for improvement if practicality can be sacrificed a little, such as seating 5 instead of 5 + 2. Here is another extreme for inspiration, so draw a line between that to today's car and find the optimal point on that segment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMh0NChh5is

Tesluthian | March 26, 2013

BrianH

"What would double ? "

The MS & MX double to 200k.

The GenIII platform models MR, smaller Ms, smaller Mx, GIII pickup, etc also all come in close to $200k.

An extra 100k per car should assuage your development costs, worries etc. Of course this would be for the .1%, people like movie stars, rock stars, the Rolls Royce crowd, Texas Oil Tycoons, Macau casino whales, people who live in castles in Europe, etc. They would want only the best Milage AEVs. This pricing should help recoup development costs. Also good for more publicity & Tesla branding.

And don't forget, double the profits for a double platform over a single platform.

Tesluthian | March 26, 2013

@TeslaRoxks

That Extreme Vehicle in you vidlink reminds me a little of a bobsled. The tail is also interesting, I guess it reduces drag. And I've seen some 18 wheelers add fins to the back of the trailers.

Another thing about those vehicle fins, it creates extra space. Maybe you could hide a spare tire in there and some other emergency gear.

I could see those right now as cool beans, fun rentals at tourist areas, where you want to zip around and see the sights.

Tesluthian | March 26, 2013

@TeslaRocks

Found this extreme aerodynamic car link. The Germans say this is also a diesel electric car that gets over 260 mpg. I sure it has a good range as well.

http://news.discovery.com/autos/fuel-and-alternative-fuel-technologies/v...

So that's also why I say a double platform option for Tesla AEV cars to keep the range lead for at least pure electrics vehicles.

ghillair | March 26, 2013

I sure it has a good range as well. ?????????????????
It says 31 miles on a battery charge!!! Carries two people cost $100,000.
Does not sound like a winner.

Brian H | March 26, 2013

Teslutian;
Why would doubling the cost of a component double the vehicle price? Makes no sense.

Tesluthian | March 26, 2013

BrianH

...it makes no sense.

I'm no rocket scientist Brian but I'll try to explain it to you.

A $100k MS x 25% profit = $25k profit.
A $200k MS x 25% profit = $50k profit.

50k divided by 25k = 2 or twice as profitable.

You must of missed out being a paperboy. The Sunday paper was always way bigger, more expensive, and a better moneymaker.

Tesluthian | March 26, 2013

ghillair,

I agree, nothing for Tesla to worry about, doesn't seem to have a lot of practical function like cargo space, etc.
As for range, sounds like it's a hybrid, al la the Chevy Volt, so the total miles will be more than 31, although this Volkswagen hybrid uses diesel, not gas. It also looks like a concept car, so it's got a long way to go. But the miles per gallon was impressive.

Tesluthian | March 26, 2013

That's @TeslaRocks, not @TeslaRoxks, sorry bout that TeslaRocks.

Tesluthian | March 26, 2013

I found this link on Forbes, where the author reviews various hints Elon has given on GenIII pricing. If you haven't already seen it, I think you all might find it interesting. Note however one thing Elon doesn't say is if his price targets are before or after EV tax credits.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markrogowsky/2013/03/25/teslas-bmw-3-series-...

Brian H | March 26, 2013

Tesluthian;
The price of the vehicle would not be doubled. There is such a thing as price elasticity (loss of demand with increasing price). So prices cannot be set arbitrarily without losing more than you gain with increased profit.

In any case your doubling margin with doubling price is wrong; most of that price increase would go directly to margin since the battery costs would not be nearly so much, but the sales would plummet.

Tesluthian | March 26, 2013

BrianH

Yes I know Brian, But if something is unique, a luxury item, or hard to get anywhere else it will support more margin and be more inelastic. And by including luxury items, you can get the price point anywhere you want. And since nobody else has it, e.g. 500+ mile EV range, where else can you go to buy it ?

And look at the bright side. One 200k car will be equal to five 40k cars, at 25 % profit for each. That means you could sell 1/5 th as many 200k cars still have the same profit, plus use less production resources.

It's like restaurants, you could buy a McDonald's and serve a million meals a year at less margin, or buy a five star restaurant and make the same amount of profit serving a 100,000 meals a year, with higher margin. To say your sales would plummet because of high prices is moot, and is comparing apples to oranges.

Brian H | March 27, 2013

O'Reilly? Conduct a survey. How many here would have paid $200K for a 500-mi EV? The margin would be about 40%, I expect, something like $80K. But I expect only about 1/10 as many would have been sold.

Tesluthian | March 27, 2013

BrianH

Is "O'Reilly" Irish for "Oh really ?

Tesluthian | March 27, 2013

BrianH

Ask George Clooney if he would buy a 500 mi EV or 300 mi EV. Anybody who has money to burn would be an idiot to buy a lower Milage model.

There's another logic error in your statement:
"How many here would have paid $200k for a 500 mi-EV ? "

Your only surveying Tesla buyers. But this represents only one purchase group. Lets survey other groups like Bugatti , Lamborghini, & Rolls Royce etc owners. I'd say your survey results would double or triple at least.

Another untapped group are people who like EV's and didn't buy one because of range. This group then becomes purchasers at the 500 mi EV range. Let's say they are good for at least another 1 in 10 purchases at 200k.

Now let's add all the groups together.
A) 1 in ten Tesla buyers upgrade to 200k/500mi/EV
B).3 in ten 200k TM purchases come from 200k range buyers like Rolls etc.
C) 1 in ten 200k TM purchases come from upper income people waiting for this higher 500 mi, EV range.

Now add all the groups together, 1+3+1 = 4 out of ten TM sales are for the 200k//500 mi/EV, not an insignificant number. Plus your now giving me 40% margin which is even higher profits than I quoted.

Thus for every ten TM sales,
(4 TMs SOLD X 200k price = 800k) x 40% profit = 320k profit
(6 TMs SOLD X 100k price = 600k) x 25% profit = 150k profit
*This now also shows over double the profit of a double stack platform TM EV getting over 500 miles per charge.

Now let's scale up our profit results to 100,000 of Tesla EV vehicles.
The lower volume 200k TM EV =. $3,200,000,000 billion of profits
The higher volume 100k TM EV. = $1,500,000,000 billion of profits

Now let's review your fallacy, you cherry picked a subgroup for your survey, to get the result you wanted. That's like taking a wine survey in Mc Donalds asking how many people would buy a $200 bottle of wine that tasted really good. You get 1 out of ten. Now go to a fancy Napa Valley wine tasting vineyard club and ask them the same question, and you get at least 3-4 out of ten.

Basic marketing.

Brian H | March 27, 2013

The $200K sales wouldn't scale, but would peak very early, probably at under 5K/yr. The capex to make them would take some time to work off, and would detract from the mass-market GenIII, which is where the real volume and money is.

In any case, the "double-thick" is never going to happen for engineering and weight reasons.

TeslaRocks | March 27, 2013

Niche market works for new tech, but the goal of any smart company should always be as close as possible to mass market... and the process can repeat with even newer tech.

I don't think that double-thick battery packs are interesting EXCEPT only in a colossal pick-up truck (that tows mountains) IF all the batteries needed cannot be fitter on only one level, which is unlikely considering better battery technology by then and the large size of the vehicle. As for the weight of all those batteries, in such a pick-up it would not be an issue and would be an advantage as far as better traction, torque, and towing capacity would be concerned. In any other vehicle, especially passenger cars like the model S and especially the Bluestar, double-thick makes no sense at all. Keep in mind that battery technology is likely to decrease in cost, increase in performance, therefore in time it should decrease in price per kWh. Meanwhile, not to cause any panic, but existing battery packs are likely to loose capacity over time, so even though the old packs should always have salvage value, the money invested in them by the car buyer is a significant depreciation that should be minimized within practical limits. Offering EVs now that have far greater capacity than the 85 kWh, would be the setup of another Solyndra moment for Tesla car owners. A little patience compared to what you propose could reward you with a 1,000 km range, at an affordable cost, and with no degradation, perhaps in time, and with money left over to actually buy that car. Mass market is the solution when it comes to technology, since the material is relatively cheap and the R&D costs can be spread out over many more units.

TeslaRocks | March 27, 2013

fitted, not fitter.

TeslaMert | March 27, 2013

1) Side mirrors that can be folded in electronically.
2) Ability to set timer to charge at selected time.
3) Better visors.
4) Pocket (storage) in front door panels
5) Improved voice command integration
6) Option to set command to perform action with HomeLink (ie open gate or door based on location)
7) Auto shut on frunk
8) Better dust seal on back door (somehow dust always seems to get in)
9) Auto crash sensors for front and back

Thanks for asking!

Tesluthian | March 29, 2013

Cp_meyer,
Your welcome. I think most of your wish list will come true by Tesla, or the Tesla store, or someone will post a list of third party vendors. Nice list.

Happy EV Easter.

Tesluthian | March 29, 2013

@TeslaRocks

"...colossal pick-up truck that tows mountains)"

TRocks, how much of the mountains are you planning on putting in this super truck ? Standard 18 wheelers can haul 45k lb payload, (with truck weight that's 80k/lbs total weight, 90k in Mexico)? That's about the weight of 15-18 Tesla MS's.

To haul that much weight the battery would be too heavy , at least 17,000 lbs. Thats 15,000 lbs heavier that the two full100 gallon diesel tanks on tractor trailers now. That means you got to subtract a whopping 30% off the payload from 45k/lbs to 30k/lbs. Truckers wont like it and won't buy it, especially if its more espensive. They might like the possibility of higher amp fuses for microwaves, refrigerators, a/c, heat, in the cab with an all EV truck.

And how far would these EV 18 wheelers be able to haul a 80 k/lb lb loaded truck. With that load they currently get about 6mpg with diesel, that's 1200 miles or two days driving worth. Think you can get that with lithium batteries instead ?

Tesluthian | March 29, 2013

Here's a link for what could be Gen V ? The street liscensed airplane car. With the wings folded, it looks like a car, almost. Think Elon could make more stylish electric version ? The TRaptor ?

Tesluthian | March 29, 2013

Whoops forgot the link for the airplane car, here is the link:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2011985/Terrafugia-flying...

TeslaRocks | March 29, 2013

@Tesluthian

I don't know... I'm just dreaming, I'll let Tesla engineers figure out what is realistic and optimal. I'll just be cheering if they keep putting out awesome products.

Anyone else had the thought that garbage trucks would really benefit from being EV? Currently, ICE mostly idles as the truck does low speed stop and go, gets used only when driving to the dump or transfer station and back to pick-up location. EV garbage truck would not idle, would use power as needed in stop and go... Maybe a small flywheel to be used only during collection would be more efficient and degrade less quickly than regenerative breaking (which doesn't even really work at low speed anyways).

TeslaRocks | March 29, 2013

@Tesluthian

That airplane car doesn't seem very aerodynamic. Also, seems to have major blind spots in car mode because of wings. To gain wide acceptance, any such vehicle will need to be almost as easy to fly (and get the license to do so) as for driving a car. Right now getting a pilot license is much more work than driver license, or so it seems to me (my father has been working on getting a new pilot license for a different class). Seems to me that what would make planes more user-friendly is the ability the operate at lower speeds, for taking off and especially landing (by far the hardest thing to do, in my opinion). That will require a higher wing surface area to total weight ratio, in my view. Inflatable wings seem like the best approach to me, better than fold-able wings. Also, to improve aerodynamics and limit weight, I think it would be smart to start the design process with the shape of a velomobile like the one I showed you earlier. The idea is to allow fast speed in the air and also low speed for landing, so although the shape would be different, the low speed physics would be similar to the aircraft in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6CvycZux0E

Make it battery electric for high altitude, high speed flight, perhaps even hydrogen buoyed in a huge blimp inflatable wing, and you'd have one appealing aircraft car. Solar panels might even add range in this blimp version. Don't forget to look at the solar plane, flying over the US this summer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvR-4zEPvAM

All this will happen someday, and the potential keep improving as the underlying technologies evolves (batteries, PV panels, materials science, inflatable wings). Also, who can focus on homework with the internet at one's fingertips?

TeslaRocks | March 29, 2013

This seems like a pretty neat plane, too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuw-CZe1qdQ

TeslaRocks | March 29, 2013

Nice view of the Solar Impulse here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp_y-7g39ZI

Tesluthian | March 29, 2013

@TeslaRocks, The dream is alive.

My guess is a Tesla double stack BEV pickup is still intact. I would guesstimate such a truck could be rated to haul or pull 4 tons 225 miles, and be a midsize to full size, best in class pickup truck and bed size. People could haul their boats, motorcycles etc for example.

The garbage truck is an interesting application. Though that would be a specialty manufacturer. And I don't know much about flywheels, I just learned vaguely how induction motors/generators work last week. Guess I'll have to watch some more vids sometime.

However, Fred Smith founder of FedEx says they save a lot of money with electrified step vans for making local pickups & deliveries. This is probably because they do not travel long distance, they stay local starting & finishing at the same place of business where they charge overnight. I believe Smith says they save 70% on fuel/costs.

The same BEV vehicles could work for postal/mail vehicles, etc. that drive less than 100 miles a day. Which leads to my next suggestion:
The Federal Government should offer businesses an additional $15k tax credit for 1 million BEV's, PEV's,
AET's (All Electric Trucks), & hybrids.. That amounts to 15 billion to be offset by cuts, revenue, efficiencies,
re-assigned monies etc. That should stimulate demand for all types of AETs, BEVs, PEVs, AEVs, hybrids, etc.

Logan745 | March 30, 2013

The most basic thing that every Tesla would benefit from is swappable batteries. Imagine if an automated system replaced the battery inside of 5-10 minutes rather than sitting at a charging station for an hour. There are a number of benefits to this approach:
1. The batteries are in the hands of Tesla, who can test them frequently, ensure they are up to range standards, and recycle them as needed.
2. It would eliminate the cost of $40,000 batteries because they would become part of the refueling solution. Rather than paying for a battery, you would just pay for access to the system.
3. You would be guaranteed a good, fresh, battery that has been tested and which has longer life. Li-Ion batteries lose 20% of their capacity per year, but if Tesla managed them, this could be reduced. Imagine too if you got to select at the station whether you were on a road trip or just commuting 30 miles. In the first case, you get the 85 kWh battery. In the second you get the 40 kWh. Overall this would mean fewer materials would be needed. If everyone wants the 85 all the time, then just eliminated the other two.
4. It could also be a chance to connect to a computer at the station that could run full diagnostics and give the car a check-up. Essentially you could integrate routine maintenance because, unlike fueling stations today, Tesla would be vertically integrated and run the whole show, making it possible to have a much better user experience.

ghillair | March 30, 2013

Logan

Battery swap is not a financially workable model. Better Place is trying and failing badly.

Use:

http://www.volkerize.com/

and search for Better Place, this will show you all the threads in this forum where this has been discussed. Also search for news of Better Place on other news sources.

Alexander7B | March 31, 2013

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Tesluthian | April 7, 2013

Has anyone thought about what type of emblems, logos, or even hood ornaments Tesla could use to create an Iconic branding? Like the jaguar, and what emblem could rival the Beamer and Mercedes plaques and logos ? Should GenIII have an additional emblem? Is the Tesla T-Shield enough?

On Tesla's best select models, I think a hood ornamement of a Bald Eagle would look sharp replacing the women goddess in this 1940 Cadillac ornament:

http://www.redbubble.com/people/jillreger/works/6107466-1940-cadillac-go...

A darker tone body and wings could be easily be worked into a curvy T. The bald eagle's head would be a lighter tone. Another version would be an all gold eagle. So Tesla would have an eagle form hood ornament on only a select few models.

Other emblem, logo, plaque, ornament ideas and which models ?

Additional link:

Ornament examples

http://www.redbubble.com/explore/car+classic+hood+ornaments

Tesluthian | April 7, 2013

Yet more emblem, logo, plaque, and ornaments currently out there, any favorites?

Ornaments:

http://www.cartype.com/list/154/hood_ornaments_by_brand

Logos, Emblems, Plaques:

http://www.scribd.com/mobile/doc/36415887

http://www.zeroto60times.com/List-of-Cars.html

Tesluthian | April 7, 2013

Alexander B

No sweat, Tesla is on it.

Tesluthian | April 7, 2013

Well we mentioned EV airplane cars, how about EV boatcars ? Save the entire cost of the boat an the hassle of towing it. One non EV carboat exa:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m817LZ1d5N8&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Some EB's (Electric Boats) are quite economical like these slow cruse party boats.

Cost of ownership is much less on this EB.

http://www.fourseasonsboats.com/FourSeasons-ElectricBoatingPrimer.htm

And EB's can be fast too, exa:

http://www.gizmag.com/mercedes-amg-cigarette-racing-fastest-electric-boa...

EB's have even gone solar, exa:

http://www.tamarackelectricboats.com/

I know for Tesla these are definitely in the fantasy realm, but who would of thought Mecedes would of made the worlds fastest Electric speedboat with 12 elelectric motors ? So who knows ?

Tesluthian | April 9, 2013

http://www.google.com/search?q=tesla+roadster+battery+photo&hl=en&client...

The above link shows the original Tesla Roadster battery location. Mostly it's in the rear trunk area. Now combine that with a GenIII skateboard platform, and you have a Roadster that can go 500 miles on a charge. Nothing new or additional need be invented.

This would relieve range anxiety for at least one class of Tesla EV's, so why shouldn't Tesla be the very first to do it ? It would create great press. The first 500 mile EV and it also has a tow capacity, for light towing skidoo's , light fishing boats, etc.

A worldwide one of a kind.

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