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Tesla Model S vs Maserati Ghibli

Hi, I was wondering if anyone was considering a Maserati Ghibli when purchasing their MS. If so, what were the advantages of the MS in your view?

Thanks,
Daniel

NomoDinos | March 26, 2015

There's a great comparison article by Top Gear, of all places:

http://www.topgear.com/uk/photos/Maserati-Ghibli-takes-on-Model-S-2014-0...

I looked at it briefly, it's really nothing special. They seem to cut corners that they never would on the higher model Maseratis, the performance is blah, mileage is just ok. No reason for it other than the name, imo.

Oh yeah, also it's not electric :)

NomoDinos | March 26, 2015

Also, this was written well before the new autopilot features and dual-motors came out, which only widens the gap even further.

Daniel_L | March 26, 2015

Thanks for the feedback. I agree that the MS is definitely one of a kind (in a good way).

Karim | March 26, 2015

Never considered the Ghibli. It is horrendously cheap from the inside. Maserati took way too much from Chrysler when building the inside. The entire infotainment system, buttons, headlight switches, etc are taken straight from Chrysler rental cars...

The engine/sound is nice though but that's about it. No way I'd spend my money on that.

NomoDinos | March 26, 2015

On the flip side, there are some really cheap lease deals available on the Ghibli. Factor in gas costs and oil changes, not to mention the EV tax credits, and you probably wouldn't be getting much of a deal.

(also important to ask why the lease deals are so cheap :)

minervo.florida | March 26, 2015

I drove it and have zero interest in any other car over the Model S, been in everything and there are some nice ICE cars but cannot go back. Model S is in a totally different class and most of us know.

geekdad.604 | March 26, 2015

Did they also steal the rear design of the Ghibli from a Ford or Chevy? Wow.

omega | March 26, 2015

Actually i did consid that up until i drove the p. Now with a p85d i would never go to another ice car.

Karim | March 26, 2015

Looks like the stole the tail lights from a Kia!

https://plus.google.com/+FadilKarim/posts/Vyq8cRt4YzE

Karim | March 26, 2015

*they

VAF | March 26, 2015

I test drove the Ghibli and the Quattroporte during my decision making process. The performance wasn't even close as compared to the MS (pre- 85D). Both cars felt really clunky and I was actually surprised how poorly they drove (and I really wanted to like the cars).

At the time, I wasn't thrilled with the MS interior so I held off making any decision (was happy with my E550). When the P85D came out with the improved interior (my opinion) and other hoopla, I decided to go with the P85D. One month in and no regrets.

My wife's friend has a Ghibli and raved about it initially but just last night she mentioned that she is already over it.

Red Sage ca us | March 31, 2015

There is for some an absolute necessity to associate luxury with exclusivity. Further, they associate luxury with tradition, elegance, and refinement. Much of this luxury is borne by heritage and history as well.

None of that matters to me in the slightest.

Roamer@AZ USA | March 31, 2015

+1 Red.

laykutsu1 | March 31, 2015

Slow.. very loud... 4 year lease...
My brother in law have one and my niece and nephew
hated that car..But they loved the P85D.. lol..
because they think its cool...

keithshayle123 | June 16, 2015

Just to provide a counter argument. I live in the U.K and living close to London, there are a number of significant benefits to driving and Electric car, from parking to taxation costs, as well as the enormous saving in fuel costs.
With this in mind when considering a Maserati Ghibli- the Diesel, which is not on sale in the U.S, I also considered the new Tesla P70D.
In terms of price the Tesla with options would cost something similar to the Maserati in high spec, so around £70,000 roughly $110,000.
The Tesla has a level of technology even apart from the drivetrain that puts it ahead of all its competitors, particularly the driver assistance functions, when they do become available that is.
However I still went with the Ghibli, as apart from range issues- I would imagine at UK motorway speeds a range of about 150-180 miles is realistic, making a long journeys a bit stressful and time consuming whilst you look for a working and vacant charging point; more importantly its a question I am sad to say of image and aspiration. The Tesla has no image in terms of looks, and no one is going to aspire to own one.
A Maserati even the Diesel Ghibli is a car you would desire and aspire to own giving you an intangible feeling when spending this kind of money, not something you could say about the Tesla.
Whilst incredibly vain, no one is going to say 'Wow, you've got a Tesla'.
Regards
Keith

Mathew98 | June 16, 2015

@keith - "Whilst incredibly vain, no one is going to say 'Wow, you've got a Tesla'."

That's the funniest thing I've heard in a while.

I sat in my red MS which was parked in front of a red Ghibli. People were flocking to my car and asking if it were a Maserati. They were wowed by the gorgeous EV that can outrun most of the gas engine out on the road.

They've all but ignored the Ghibli parked directly behind my MS.

I guess different country would have different reaction to the beauty of the MS.

inconel | June 16, 2015

Hmm a LOT of people both old and young but especially young ones have told me "Wow you've got a Tesla". The Tesla got more compliments than the 911 turbo.

jordanrichard | June 16, 2015

keith, what are these typical Motorway speeds that would only give you 150-180 miles of range? Here in the Northeast (U.S), we typically drive 75 mph. At those speeds, one could still get 210 miles of range. With the density of superchargers, that is more than enough to travel. As the density of superchargers increase in the UK, it too will be a non issue.

Also, to me 2 words that should go together are Maserati and diesel. Why not just throw a diesel into a Ferrari while you are at it.

keithshayle123 | June 16, 2015

'People were flocking to my car and asking if it were a Maserati.'
Mathew,

Without meaning to stir the pot, your comment that I have highlighted above, does rather demonstrate my point. How many people will say to the driver of a Maserati... Is this a Tesla?
There is no question Elon Musk and his team got several years jump on all the traditional premium brand cars, something unheard of from a start up company with no car building experience. Albeit with a little help from Mercedes.
However within three years the German brands and Jaguar, and who knows even Maserati, will have products offering similar drivetrains, that's when Tesla could run it to trouble.
As I said just a counter argument to perhaps generate a little friendly debate.
Regards
Keith

Nantang | June 16, 2015

In terms of price point, the Quattroporte S Q4 seems a closer Maserati counterpart than the Ghibli, though I'm probably thinking of pricier Tesla configurations like the P85D, which, again, are halfway up the block or track by the time the Maserati driver knows what happened. Porsche, Maserati, Aston Martin--all these cars are still nice and prestigious, but each time I look at them, I keep thinking, for that price I can have a Tesla.

Mathew98 | June 16, 2015

@keith - My point being is that both cars share similar curve lines. One is a relatively new comer where the other has been in business for decades.

The point missing is that the new kid on the block got all the attention even without the name plate recognition. The former popular kid is sitting in the back of the room waiting for someone to notice.

jordanrichard | June 16, 2015

Keith, I wouldn't count on the German brands having something like the MS in 3 years. It takes that many if not more years, to develop/test a new car. If they were indeed building such a car, we would have heard about it. Even if they did, the significance of that is absolutely huge. This "new kid on the block" designs and builds it's first car (sedan) and hits it out the park so bad that the traditional car companies are following the lead. Mercedes-Benz, technically "Benz" has been making/perfecting cars since 1886 and this upstart from Silcon Valley, just passed them and ironically, not in a silent way.

keithshayle123 | June 16, 2015

Sorry jordanrichard I missed your post before.
I was as you will see, am referring to the lower power model the P70D, which has a lower range from the '85' model. That couple with typical motorway driving speeds of 80-85 mph or on mainland Europe in places even higher will have a knock on effect of realistic range. Also whilst I certainly take your point regarding increasing charging points, unlike a conventional car if all the points are in use, you may have along wait on your hands. Who knows driving long distance across the U.S may rival the time taken for the original pioneers who headed west in their horse and carts!!! :)
Turning to your point regarding diesel engines, it may comes as a surprise that the majority of premium brand cars sold in Europe, including 7 Series and S Class etc are powered by diesel engines.
At cruising speed, whilst not silent like a Tesla, I would challenge any occupant of a diesel BMW 5 Series Jaguar XF or Maserati Ghibli to know whether its a petrol or diesel engine under the bonnet/hood.
You might want to take a look at the link below from a UK magazine which illustrates my point.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/maserati/ghibli/first-drives/2016-ma...

But above all let me just reiterate, I only make the points for friendly debate, and I trust that is the spirit in which you read them.

jordanrichard | June 16, 2015

Oh, I am.

Diesels are far more popular in Europe. Here in the U.S., Maserati is seen more of a "sports" sedan, than a luxury car like a 7 Series, S-Class, etc. So that is why I made my remark about it being counter intuitive to put a diesel in a Maserati.

When I first got my car, before all of the nav updates, I would calculate how much range I would really get driving typical speeds with the hills and turns we have here in New England, specifically CT. I calculated a loss of 20%. So even with a 70D (there is no P70D) and it's range of 240, a 20% loss still should be enough to get to the next charger. Obviously you know the UK better than I and how far apart the chargers are.

Bighorn | June 16, 2015

@keith

Since we're talking surface impressions, mine is that the Ghibli was created for people who couldn't afford a Maserati, just so they could tap the upper middle-class market. I guess you don't follow the Norwegian press, but your impression of the Tesla contradicts that of many on the continent. You'll note Ghibli did not crack the top 12.

http://e24.no/bil/aarets-feteste-bil-2015/dette-er-aarets-feteste-bil-20...

DTsea | June 16, 2015

They still make Maseratis?

Huh. Who knew. I saw a chrysler looking car with a maserati trident on it. Is that a ghibli? And what the heck is a 'ghibli?'

inconel | June 16, 2015

I think what surprised me is Keith assertion about the higher aspiration level of Maserati. Tesla has made great strides in the last few years, especially after the release of the P85D which has been a phenomenal halo car. Everybody now knows about that insane car that does 0-60 (or 0-100 km/h in Europe) in "like 2 seconds?" (what a real estate broker asked me 2 days ago)

Tesla is perceived as young, cool, green, forward looking, technology of the future whereas old luxury/sporty brands such as Maserati or Mercedes are seen as old technology, fossil fuel, not embracing changes. Of course this is just how I perceived it currently and it might change in the future as the old brands catch up. But it seems that many buyers have similar perception with the many switches from old prestigious brand to Tesla that I am seeing.

acegreat1 | June 16, 2015

Keith keep on dragging your nickels to the grave. Very poor choice, you must be old.

Bighorn | June 16, 2015

I think the use of "whilst" gave it away, no? :)

keithshayle123 | June 16, 2015

May I say it's always a pleasure to make new friends, and indeed it appears I have made a whole host of friends from across the 'pond', and all in such a short time!!!
Forgive me for not dealing with all your points individually, but if I might pose a question. If for example Maserati or Jaguar- who just this week announced they are working on an all electric car to rival the Tesla S- or Porsche for example launched a rival to the Tesla, how many would stay loyal to the Tesla brand.
Furthermore and to contradict what I said about answering individual points. Bighorn point regarding why the Ghibli was launched (the word refers to a hot wind that blows in north Africa, which is a reference to historic Maserati model's of the past for the benefit of DTsea), to coin a British expression, that's just dart, which means stupid. All premium manufacturers are looking to new market sectors to raise sales. Bentley are about to launch their first SUV, the Bentayga, another strange word for DTsea to ponder upon, and Rolls Royce are also developing their SUV. Maserati like all car manufacturers, even Tesla has to expand into new sectors to survive, and if a diesel engine is what the market sector demands then of course that what they make.
Finally I had been a Jaguar owner for some twenty years apart from a hybrid Lexus GS. This car at the time offered class leading technology with low emissions and what was considered incredible Porsche rivalling performance. However after 4 years I switched back to Jaguar as although the Lexus had typical Japanese efficiency, it was just a little bit soulless. I sincerely hope the same analogy can not be drawn againt Tesla's effort.
Anyway thanks for a very lively debate. :)
Regards
Keith

keithshayle123 | June 16, 2015

Sorry my predictive text got the better of me. When I said dart the word should be DAFT

Bighorn | June 16, 2015

Hot air--how appropriate:) It's kind of like driving a C250 and expecting the same sort of reaction as if you'd driven up in an S63AMG. Kind of like when Jags starting looking like a Ford Taurus. It's a dumbed down Maserati--not sure what's daft about calling a spade a spade.

inconel | June 16, 2015

Keith, I respect your choice although I don't understand it well.

But i disagree with you saying that Tesla is not as aspirational as Maserati. This is not how I feel and does not match my experience when I talk to all my friends. I think green-conscious and forward looking people aspire right now to own a Tesla more than the older brands. Of course as I have said it might change if Porsche for example releases an awesome electric sports car weighting only 3000 pounds (one can dream).

inconel | June 16, 2015

And I may also be biased but Jaguar, Lexus and Maserati are not at all exciting to me. What excite me are like McLaren, Ferrari, Porsche, or Tesla :)

vperl | June 16, 2015

Year old article, so much for this thread

notice | June 16, 2015

Coming from Ferrari and Alfa I considered Maserati until I drove the MS - fell in love with the whole electric thing. I lost interest in ice cars. Different priorities.

renwo S alset | June 16, 2015

I thought Ghibli was plural for those things that come stuffed in a frozen turkey

TytanX | June 16, 2015

I think Keith is 150 years old. His opinions sure are dated.

omega | June 16, 2015

There is something that everyone seems to forget mentioning. I think it'a a pity that all these old brands did not come up with absolutely anything new in all these years. Tesla is a young company and took by surprise everyone awaking all these old dinosaurs from their long hibernation.
Tesla needs to add a bit more luxury to the interior, time will tell how the big dogs will respond and how long it will take them to build something similar. The half electric beamer is really a joke.
I truly believe that as of today only those that don't drive a Tesla still buy other cars and think they are the best.

mclary | June 16, 2015

Daniel_L - There is no comparison. It's a POS!!!

Idiot!

Flagged!!

keithshayle123 | June 17, 2015

Daniel_L - There is no comparison. It's a POS!!!

Idiot!

Flagged!!

Just a couple of points if I may.
1. When I run low on fuel I stop at one of a great many filling stations located everywhere, and then spend 10 minutes filling the cars tank. If the station is busy I may have to wait a little longer for a pump to become free.
May I enquire what a Tesla owner does if when he finds a charging point, it is already in use. I am guessing the next one will be too far away to reach, so do you:-
a/ If its night time find a local hotel and hope no one beats you to the charger in the morning.
b/ If during the day, perhaps go and visit the local sites, at least those that are within walking distance that is.
or c/ If Daniel might I suggest, spend the time reading to improve his command of the English Language, in order that he doesn't need to resort to the use of rudeness and profanity to articulate a point.
2. The essential technology in terms of drivetrain and batteries on the Tesla is the same as any other all electric vehicle. The difference being that the Tesla is a much larger car and therefore can accommodate more batteries, hence the bigger range/performance.
The real advance will be when a truly compact cell is developed which can be either recharged or replaced in the same time it takes to refill a conventional car, as well as being able to offer a comparable range. I am sure everyone including Elon Musk is working towards the answer, but we are not there yet.
For some range issues will not be a problem, but until the fundamental problems as highlighted above, can be overcome, electric cars will remain a niche choice.
Tesla can enjoy the jump on the other makes, offering all the ecology benefits with ample interior space. In fact so much so that in some parts of Europe such as the Netherlands you may find yourself in one being used as a Taxi.
In fact that reminds me, I have yet to see a Maserati Ghibli being used as a Taxi in any part of the world, whatever market sector it fits. :)
Regards
Keith

Mathew98 | June 17, 2015

@keith - Don't worry about the remark from @mclary. It means he acknowledged your thread.

If your daily commute is more than 200 miles at 90 MPH then the Mosel S is not for you.

A vast majority of U.S. commute is under 50 miles. A few more percent commutes 100 miles trip. An even smaller percentage have 200 miles daily commutes. The 85 KW (even the 70D) can easily satisfy the daily requirements over here even at your racing demon speed. Average speed limit is 65 MPH here in the States.

I took a 2500 miles trip in my S60 along the supercharger network last year without any detours other than the SC stops. I didn't have to wait for any charging stalls in the entire trip. Now any trips can be directed via the SC network via the on board navigation.

The main advantage Tesla has over other EV makers is the cell size/format of the thermal managed battery pack. That is the reason the closest pure EV competition can hardly squeeze out 80 miles range. Everything else is in prototype or vaporware stage.

By your logic GM can just dump a bunch of batteries inside a Hummer and get a 500 miles EV. Why hasn't it been introduced by any of the ICE manufacturers yet? Serious EV competition? TM even boldly open sourced its EV patents portfolio but there aren't any takers.

Tstolz | June 17, 2015

@Keith
1. If you need to drive long distances off the Supwrcharger network you'd be correct. This car would not be for you. On the grid, no problem. Stops are quick with no waiting and with home charging you start full and only need to fill up to make your destination.

Also, in my experience, recharging time and range anxiety are a problem for people who don't own a Tesla. The issue seems to melt away once you own the car and realize what it can do. A Tesla is a thinking mans car however ... since the SC network is not yet complete ... and certainly not all people are adequatly equipped in this regard.

2. ??? ... sorry I'm not clear on your point. Tesla is more than the sum of its parts ... same as a BMW or Maserati.

3. The reason you are seeing Tesla Taxis is because they are awesome. They offer a fantastic combination of economy, practicality, performance, luxery, desirability, simplicity, reliability, ... Etc. Btw .. luggage space MS - 26 cf, Ghibli - 18. Personally, I'd also bet the useful life of MS will double the Ghibli!

garyrsosa | June 17, 2015

2. The essential technology in terms of drivetrain and batteries on the Tesla is the same as any other all electric vehicle. The difference being that the Tesla is a much larger car and therefore can accommodate more batteries, hence the bigger range/performance.

Not so, with due respect. The use of AC 3 phase induction motor(s), instead of brushless DC motor(s), coupled with inverters and variable frequency drives (VFD) is different from every other battery electric vehicle mfr. This design decision is what makes Tesla's incredible low end torque. It is bold, since inverter losses had to be taken and factored with offsets. The decision to invert DC to AC, would be a radical departure for many engineers.

The Model S is a head turner. "Beautiful car," I hear more often than other comments. I think it is brilliantly conceived, eloquently executed, and masterfully marketed to appeal to many luxury car owners, electric car enthusiasts, green thinking people, and even you lot, who considered it a candidate over a diesel belching Maserati. As far as being aspirational, it may lack a certain cachet, the hood ornament is lacking, but this is pure American muscle car, reimagined for today's future! Glad I snagged one!

keithshayle123 | June 17, 2015

The case for owning a Tesla, particularly in London is undoubtedly very compelling. And my weekly driving habits would mean probably charging only once a week.
No congestion charge £10.00 to drive into central London during the day Monday to Friday.
Free on street parking worth probably £50.00 a day, plus access to the charging points that do currently exist.
To charge I think costs about £12.00 from domestic source, and the government will contribute the cost of a charging system to be installed at your home. To fill an equivalent petrol/diesel car is about £85.00.
No Road Fund License. This is an annual tax to drive your car in the UK. Usually depending on vehicle engine size about £200.00.
Plus the government contributes £5,000.00 to the cost of buying the car in the first place to improve electric ownership.

For these reasons electric ownership is growing.

However driving habits particularly at the Tesla price point are somewhat different in UK/Europe. Executive cars are usually seen on motorways being used for longer journeys, or perhaps at the weekend when they maybe used for a day trip somewhere. On the odd occasion when we do get descent weather , it maybe used to drive from London to the South Coast typically a round trip of 200-250 miles, or perhaps being taken through the Channel Tunnel to be driven in mainland Europe which is beginning to push the range a bit.

Whilst I talk about badge snobbery in all seriousness I don't think it matters whether you have a BMW 5 Series Jaguar XF or Tesla S or even a Maserati Ghibli !!!
I doubt anyone cares as long as it meets there requirements, but given the way as I say executive cars are used over here, that is the limiting factor to Tesla's sales success.

Regards
Keith

Mathew98 | June 17, 2015

@keith - Now are you speaking for yourself or providing your analysis of what you think other would be doing?

Initial purchase price for Tesla is higher but the overall operating cost including maintenance over 5 - 8 years period is on par with other cars $30K to $40K cheaper.

You listed all the incentives and convenience of owning an EV (not just Tesla) and yet you turned the other cheek?

EV is not for everyone. You will have to weigh the advantages and disadvantages for yourself. But projecting your self assessed fears to others is exactly spreading FUD.

Bighorn | June 17, 2015

I'm currently number 3 on the "most superchargers visited" list in the US. I have undertaken calculating occupancy rates on various long distance journeys ie 4000+ miles. Best I can recall, the overall occupancy rates of the chargers was ~5%. On those particular surveys, I didn't ever need to wait for a charger or bed down for the night in hopes of getting one at the crack of dawn. I live in a state with roughly double the land area of England and we have one-tenth the number of superchargers yet I still manage to get around. Methinks your mum may have dropped you whilst a wee bloke if you are discounting all the enumerated advantages over some nebulous fear of crowded superchargers.

Ankit Mishra | June 17, 2015

Tesla cant produce enough cars to meet its demand. It has recently hit a demand lever which restored interest in Model S (dual motors). We need to understand that this company is headed by a determined individual, he will find a way to get people in UK lining up for a Tesla. RHD is also a constraint as Tesla cant even the demand for LHD vehicles.

DTsea | June 17, 2015

Thanks keith. ghibli must be arabic. The italian word is scirocco.... ironically, used already by VW.

keithshayle123 | June 17, 2015

Actually as I understand it Maserati has a history of naming its cars after 'winds'.
Bighorn out of interest when you refer to England are you referring to just England, or the whole of the British Isles? Either way I am sure your State would still be considerably bigger.
In regard to your assertion that I suffered an accident in childhood. And to return the compliment of your attempts to use both English (mum and bloke) and even Scottish colloquialisms (wee), please allow me to respond in kind. I am wondering if you were involved in just such an unfortunate incident,i.e your 'mom' dropped you on the 'sidewalk' when you were a 'little kid'. Reason being its ridiculous, and even Tesla would admit the same, that the current charging infrastructure, be it in the States or Europe, can provide the same level of convenience as a conventional filling station. I would imagine even the largest American SUV can take no more than five minutes to fill from empty. How long to replenish the exhausted cells in the Tesla, even using a Tesla charger. Also the fact still remains that if you arrive at a charging station and it is occupied you will have a problem.
Whilst of course part of my answer is meant with a touch of humour, in all seriousness, it was partly these concerns that swayed me away. And as I said given the long journeys these cars over here are mostly used for, it will be an issue. In the future I am sure the situation will change but we are not quite there yet.
Regards from the other side of the pond,
Keith

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