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When you plan the arrival of products in Russia? Do you need help in Russia?

KOLYNICH | July 17, 2013

GEORGE BLANKENSHIP We will deduce the brand on the Russian market?

iSlayter | July 17, 2013

Did you get a Tesla yourself in our country?
How did you import it?

Brian H | July 17, 2013

"deduce the brand" is meaningless English.

iSlayter | July 17, 2013

How many customers from Russia should be collected by Tesla Motors to open their sales and service here? 50, 100, 500?

iSlayter | July 17, 2013

Just for the information Tesla Motors have a great opportunity for hot start in Russia since Sep of 2013 till Sep of 2014 when taxes & customs fees will be zeros for the electric cars!

Brian H | July 17, 2013

I think Elon had his fill of being jerked around by the kleptocracy when he was considering using Russian boosters before starting making his own at SpaceX.

TSLAholic | July 17, 2013

Brian,

I know you love stating the facts, especially when playing the grammar Nazi. Frankly, I enjoy reading your posts.
With that said, I must admit you come off as a complete A$$ when you point out the obvious grammatical errors in posts made by someone who tried getting their point across, (albeit unsuccessfully) whole first language happens to be other than English.
I believe there are better market opportunities to explore before setting sights on Russia, or Moscow alone, really. Once you travel outside the city, you may as well consider it a different country altogether when it comes to infrastructure or most people's ability to afford anything but the basic survival necessities.

Brian H | July 17, 2013

Completely unsure what was intended, so asking for clarification. Perhaps some word was translated as "deduce", which doesn't have any relevant meanings. Have you ever learned or spoken another language? Usage and nuance and meaning corrections and suggestions are gratefully received; without exposure from childhood they are very tough to absorb from books, etc.

Elon was treated like a sucker and bumpkin on his 3 trips there. I think he'll focus on jurisdictions where there is both demand and rule of law, first. Though China may stretch the point.

carlgo | July 17, 2013

Interesting that they jerked him around. He had money and clear expertise. Russia is happy to sell stuff normally. Maybe they saw him as a real rival. He will flip them off from Mars.

ian t.wa.us | July 17, 2013

+1 TSLAholic

I know you mean well Brian but there are less abrasive ways to ask for clarification. Yes, they may take more time to type out but since you're retired I assume you have the time.

Cheers!

Brian H | July 18, 2013

At the time, he know little about space, just wanted to put a few potted plants on Mars to inspire the populace. Not altogether sure I blame the Russians!

EvaP | July 18, 2013

I guess, putting potted plants on Mars is based on the same idea as sending the dog Lajka into space to see if he survives. Putting up some greenhouse with something that generates water and regulates temperature, put a plant in it to see if it survives, is not such a crazy idea. Of course, it would cost billions.

As far as Russia, there is a very large affluent population with almost unlimited spending power, but there is also the mob that will rip you off and ridicule you if they can.

I think the OP is asking for representation in Russia. But I am not sure if they could ever pull it off with the english knowledge they have.

BTW, as somebody with English as a second language, I did not find anything wrong with the way Brian H was putting the question. If you know that a person has limited vocabulary, you try to adjust to their needs, and a long, flowery, polite way to put it would only confuse the ESL person.

EvaP | July 18, 2013

I am not saying this to contradict, but to point out something a person speaking only one language might overlook :)

ian t.wa.us | July 18, 2013

Thank you EvaP. Yes, I can see how that could be confusing. Thanks for sharing your perspective.

Brian H | July 18, 2013

Elon was hoping to transport his minigreenhouse on the cheap with leftover boosters.

TSLAholic | July 18, 2013

Yes, I have learned, and speak a foreign language on a daily basis. I have been exposed to English since early childhood. English is the second language in my case, with Russian being the first.
My point about Russia is that it may prove to be the sort of market Tesla never intended to cater to in the long run. There is an abundance of money waiting to be spent on "toys", but the niche market can only remain strong for so long.
With the price differences in cars (not to mention customs and taxes) between the US and Russian markets, it's no wonder self described entrepreneurs are rather common on these forums. Importing cars from the US to sell in Russia is a popular business practice. Unfortunately, I'm not sure the OP has a clear understanding that Tesla is not interested in any kind of "help" with representation. I'm not saying it would be impossible for a store to succeed in Moscow, just pointing out that it will not be the easiest market to manage.

Brian H | July 18, 2013

Especially not the "Let me help you -- or else" type of assistance! Which has been known to occur there.

EvaP | July 19, 2013

TSLAholic, yes, Russia is a huge country. It is as big as a whole continent. Tesla would have to build literally thousands of superchargers and Putin would make up some excuse to throw out Tesla and nationalize the infrastructure. Too big a risk.

And it is true that while there are many rich people, the vast majority is poor by American standards and would never be able to afford a luxury car.

Brian H | July 19, 2013

Russia's birth rate is so far below replacement that it will vanish in a cloud of mini-invasions within the century.

KOLYNICH | August 13, 2013

Bosh!
I asked a simple question and got a lot of stupid sneers.
The market in Russia is very promising. There is little risk more than than in Europe, where all the economic problems.
Yes I do not speak full well English. But that does not stop me from being successful.
Brian H - what you said evidently funny and foolish because of the low level of culture. Though, I admit that the English you know better than me.

ian t.wa.us | August 13, 2013

KOLYNICH - These forums are not likely to put you in touch with anyone in charge of business development for the company. Try calling or emailing the company directly.

http://www.teslamotors.com/contact

Best of luck!

Vawlkus | August 14, 2013

Tesla doesn't need help to expand ANYWHERE.

What Tesla needs is TIME TO GROW.

Timo | August 14, 2013

Well, it might need SpaceX help to expand to Mars... :-P

Vawlkus | August 14, 2013

That's covered under growth Timo :P

Brian H | August 14, 2013

Car design for 38% G and .01 bar would be radically different, I think.

frmercado | August 14, 2013

Free Pussy Riot!!!! :P

Oh, and stop attacking and criminalizing gays while you are at it...

Then, start demanding to get a car built by Californians of which many are probably punk, gay or both. :D

ian t.wa.us | August 14, 2013

Oooohh. Now we're getting political are we? Best idea I've heard is that the US should show up at the Olympics with rainbow uniforms with purple triangle hats. Ha!

vadik | August 15, 2013

Setting politics aside, Russia is a great market for Tesla.

Just focus on Moscow only as Muscovites really seriously do not move outside of Moscow that much, I mean it is one of those island cities except instead of water you have bears surrrounding.

In ten years you could think about St Petersburg, too.

And do not forget to double the price.

Do it the way I say, I know what I am talking about.

Vawlkus | August 15, 2013

Even if it is, Tesla hasn't grown the capacity to deal with another market yet. They barely have enough trained people to ramp up to supplying the US and they've barely scratched the surface in the EU.
Tesla just CANNOT expand everywhere at the same time, they have to grow in size to deal with the demands of each region before they move onto the next.

vadik | August 15, 2013

Tesla does not have to have any special capacity to deal with the Russian market, they just have to dial the number we all know (Moscow dealership of starts with B ends with W...)

Brian H | August 15, 2013

vadik;
Sure, as long as they don't have to do service or guarantee anything or install superchargers or ...

vadik | August 15, 2013

outsource and/or find partners. it's not like Elon would have to fly across the ocean every time a tesla has a flat tire in Moscow

Brian H | August 15, 2013

Minimal outsourcing, no partners. All Tesla service is done through TM employees in TM Service Centers, outside of specific approvals for bodywork, etc.

Vawlkus | August 16, 2013

Tesla is doing it right. Why would they partner with companies who are doing it wrong?

vadik | August 16, 2013

Why partner? To make money in the new rich market.
And btw what exactly does BMW do wrong for that matter?

Brian H | August 16, 2013

Produce pseudo-electric kludges like the i3 and i8?

vadik | August 17, 2013

Well, teslamotors.com is probably not the appropriate place to defend BMW, but yes, there is an all electric version of at least i3..

The key is that BMW is very good at making good cars and money of it, globally. Good cars = good money = good partner.

TSLAholic | August 17, 2013

@vadik

I'm not sure you understand the reason most large scale manufacturers produce electric cars. Google "compliance car" to familiarize yourself with the term. You will quickly realize that these cars don't come to market because brands such as BMW have a passion for this type of propulsion. The only reason for their existence is meeting model lineup average pollution requirement criteria set forth by governments.
BMW knows how to make a great car. Don't you think they would come up with something that people would actually get excited about if they really put their heart into it?
Stated simply, there is no reason for any kind of "partnership" due to the fact that Tesla and BMW produce electric cars for two totally different reasons.
I can explain this in detail via email in Russian, if you'd like.

vadik | August 17, 2013

Thank you for offering to explain things you do not understand yourself.

BMW i3 is neither a 'compliance' car given the set up to produce 30 000 i3s a year and worldwide roll out nor I see a reason why it should be so heartless.

TSLAholic | August 17, 2013

If it wasn't before, your ignorance is crystal clear now. Good luck with your ICE+TMC partnership idea.

vadik | August 18, 2013

Calling somebody ignorant is not a valid argument. If you want I can explain it in an email to you, in Russian.

And yes, I am not strong in astrology.

Worldwide roll out as opposed to California and production numbers over x0 000 p.a. is a running criterium to single out 'compliance cars'.

Brian H | August 18, 2013

I'll believe BMW, or any company, is serious (and competent) when they produce a 200+ mile battery BEV. Not before. Not i3 or i8.

TDurden.or.us | August 18, 2013

+1 Brian H

Some may disagree with your methods, but you do speak the truth.

I respect your pragmatism.

TSLAholic | August 18, 2013

@ vadik

I know exactly what your motive is, and I will tell you right now that your best bet at being affiliated with Tesla is working for them, not with them.
Every time I come across a visitor from the former Soviet Union, their eyes are glazed with dollar signs as they pull me aside wanting to establish a "partnership" for me to be their US contact in their envisioned car import venture.
There is no potential business opportunity for you through Tesla. If you're serious about helping them establish a market in Moscow, polish up your resume and apply for a position when a job opening becomes available.
And finally, stop being so bitter about my original post directed at you. I did not at all mean for it to come across as demeaning or sarcastic. I should have just let Brian H. deal with you instead of trying to defend your point at the beginning of this thread. Live and learn, I guess.

vadik | August 18, 2013

This guy is killing me, now he is assuming that I am trying to get into business selling Teslas in Russia and that the best way to do it is to get his email via a public internet forum.

I am speechless, you should consult a shrink you are overworked, probably cleaning toilets somewhere in North Dakota.

TSLAholic | August 18, 2013

What do you expect people to think when you post a proposition such as "Do you need help in Russia"?
The forum is for prospective and current owners, reservation holders, shareholders etc. not Tesla representatives waiting for business partnership ideas. Even if this wasn't an amateur way of reaching out to TMC (which it obviously is), what kind of help can you possibly provide short of investing millions of USD/Euro to build up service/charging/store infrastructure in the market you dream of launching?
The email comment is the exact opposite of what I said. My intent (when I still believed you could benefit from an intellectual conversation outside of public forum environment) was to make you understand that you don't stand a chance at representing Tesla in Moscow due to the company's operating procedures. Don't twist things around for the sake of an argument.
I will not even dignify the last paragraph of your post with a response.
I am finished arguing about this. You may have the last word.

vadik | August 18, 2013

My last word is that ammonia from the toilets has eaten into your optical nerve so you can't even read.

Seriously, you should somehow conceal the performance on this thread from your employer if you have one, same for Brian H with ideas that a city car like i3 should have a 200 miles or else polka dancing martians will come and drink your lymph while you sleep.

frmercado | August 19, 2013

@vadik

No setting politics aside!

Tesla should take care of the many other markets around the world that are as good if not better than the Russian market and are not fascist oppressing regimes a 100 years behind to the rest of the developed world in their social thinking.

I say, let TM take care of the markets with repressive regimes right after they've dealt with the demand for the rest of the world. This should be done just out of respect for the LGBT community that works for Tesla, are TM's stockholders, the early adopters and general Model S buyers and supporters.

Money and profits are not everything in this world and I'm sure that TM agrees with that way of thinking.

I don't think it is so terrible though. The Russian market will probably get to drive a Model S well before North Korea, Belarus and Iran. ;)

frmercado | August 19, 2013

...demand of the rest of the world...

vadik | August 19, 2013

As a public company, TM has an obligation to make money in one of the largest luxury car markets and is not supposed to play politics.

That repressive regimes are risky to do business with in the first place is another matter.

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