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Vampire loss fix in 5.8 not working for me :(

Vampire loss fix in 5.8 not working for me :(

Still losing 8-10 miles a day. My car normally charges to 183 (M60) when I get home from work in the evening. By morning it is always down to the mid 170s. Parking at work for 10 hours it loses another 5-8. Energy Saving mode is set and I do notice a slow startup on the dash and 17 screen. Anyone else having vampire loss issue with 5.8?

NKYTA | November 22, 2013

No, not seeing that.

Try turning Energy Saving off/on?
Try rebooting both LCD and dash after that?

bfranks273 | November 22, 2013

Try turning off the WiFi. We tried that and see a diff over one day but need to check further.

AmpedRealtor | November 22, 2013

Have you rebooted after installing 5.8?

AmpedRealtor | November 22, 2013

Also, the car may be doing what it needs to do to maintain the pack temps if you are in an extreme climate.

Captain_Zap | November 22, 2013

Call Ownership and see if they think it is normal for your situation. Maybe they can push you a another 5.8 just in case it had a problem during the download. They'll probably want to get an idea about the temps in your garage and where you park.

theapple | November 22, 2013

Where are you located? I saw high drain on 5.6 in MA (7 rated miles in 9 hours one day, 6 rated miles in 4 hours another day). My local service center said it was temperature-related, both in range calculation and in maintenance of battery temperature. That makes sense given that in both cases (charge and let it sit, drive to work and let it sit) the battery has gone from warm to cold. I have also seen the car sit unplugged for a while after already cooled, and it lost zero miles of ideal range overnight. I do wish they'd tell you in the manual what to expect, though, or give you an un-doctored state of charge reading. These are totally undocumented behaviors.

lygren | November 23, 2013

I´ve got the exact same issue, also a S60... I have read a couple of other S60-owners reporting the same. Could this be a battery-pack-related issue?? My loss is about 1 mile per hour.

ssarker | November 23, 2013

Definitely not working for me even in the 55 degree garage. The key fob is usually far away from the car (60 kWh).

Bighorn | November 23, 2013

I've raised this before and not gotten any feedback, but does having the alarm activated affect vampire loss to any significant degree?

TeslaOR | November 23, 2013

Thanks for the feedback. Could be the temperature. Chilly in Oregon with high of 50 during the day and the same at night in my garage. Will try a reset and track for a while and report back.

Carefree | November 23, 2013

So, I just did a quick test with my P85. When I unplugged it 48 hours ago it showed 230 rated miles. After two full days (48 hours) I am down to 224 miles - I lost 3 miles a day - that's phenomenal compared to 4.5.

I am on 5.8, car was parked in the garage and temp was in the high 50s.

Chunky Jr. | November 23, 2013

I'm on 5.8 and last night about 5pm I had 178 miles of range. This morning at 8am I had 177 miles, so I lost 1 mile in about 15 hours.

Chunky Jr. | November 23, 2013

> I'm on 5.8 and last night about 5pm I had 178 miles of range. This morning at 8am I had 177 miles, so I lost 1 mile in about 15 hours.

edit : It was parked in the garage the whole time. This morning the Tesla app said the interior temperature was 70 degrees, but it was probably in the low to mid 60s inside the garage.

lygren | November 23, 2013

There´s definately something fishy here! Any other S60 owners experience the same? Please do report as many as possible as I will probably forward this exact thread to my service-center... What I do need is as many S60 owners as possible reporting on vampire loss at 5.6 or 5.8, as we already know the issue seems to be solved on the S85s.

TeslaMom | November 23, 2013

S60 on 5.8, left a warm garage this morning with 177 rated miles. Drove 23 miles with heater and seat heaters on and made two short stops and consumed 24 miles of range.
Parked for five hours in 30 degree weather and lost 16 miles!
All started last week after moving from 4.5
Also, on an unrelated note, I noticed the animation has disappeared from the "about Tesla" button.

tomkist | November 23, 2013

Doesn't sound like this is the situation here, but pinging the car with the app will wake the car from sleep mode. My assumption is that if the car is not in sleep mode, it will still have vampire drain.

Bighorn | November 23, 2013

@wayne
Animation is on the charging screen now.

wen.wei | November 23, 2013

S60 here, same thing losing about 1 mile per hour

EvRevo | November 24, 2013

S60 here, lost about 6 miles in 8 hrs of parking with 5.8. Temp around 55F

bish | November 24, 2013

5.8 was not working for me either. I was losing 1 mile of range every hour. But after re-booting as NKYTA and ampedrealtor recommended, I have lost only 5 miles of range in a 12 hour period. Not great, but it is better.

AmpedRealtor | November 24, 2013

There is a thread over at TMC forums regarding 5.8 which states that it's best to reboot your console after installing the update. Some owners' creep and regen settings mysteriously changed even though the controls showed differently, and a reboot restored proper functionality.

Pungoteague_Dave | November 24, 2013

I found that rebooting restored full regen and fixed a problem with the NAV system not working at all in 5.8. Seems like these recurring glitches would be found before uploading.

mbcaffe | November 24, 2013

S60. left at airport in covered parking in Burbank with 123 miles. Returned after 60 hours with 110

AndrewP | November 24, 2013

So after getting the 5.6 update I set up my Wi-Fi connection with no problem. Hardly any time goes by and I get the 5.8 update. Now I keep getting the nag screen to set up the Wi-Fi but it's already set up! It even shows a green check mark next to my network. How do I get the nag screen to permanently go away?

Brian H | November 24, 2013

5.8 may not be set up right for 60s. Any 85s that still have vampire losses?

P85D | November 24, 2013

I lost 10 last night, car is parked outside. I have already called Tesla, they say that is normal. I only lost a few miles the other night and it was colder so I am not sure what's up with that.

P85D | November 24, 2013

Forgot to add that I am on Portland.

Chunky Jr. | November 24, 2013

My 1 mile loss in 15 hours was with 5.8 on a P85, parked in the garage with average temperature in the 60s.

riceuguy | November 24, 2013

S60...5.8 working great for me for vampire loss...down to < 5 mi per day of loss, except when the temp drops a ton overnight, but those aren't actual losses, just recalculating of range due to temp.c at is at the airport again and at 5-7 miles of loss (total) after 2 days.

lygren | November 25, 2013

Thanks guys; my "data" thus far seems to be:

S60 5.8 lygren@me.com: 0,8-1 mile / hour @ 50s+
S60 5.8 TeslaOR: about 1 mile / hour @ ??
S60 5.?? ssarker: about 1? mile / hour @ ??
S60 5.8 wayne@auburnwat: about 2 miles / hour @ 30s
S60 5.? wen.wei@gmail.com: about 1 mile / hour @ ??
S60 5.? iknowli: about 0,8 mile / hour @ 55s
S60 5.? mbcaffe: about 0,2 mile / hour @ ??
S60 5.8 riceuguy: insignificant loss / hour @ ??

Only S60 owner thus far reporting no loss is riceuguy. What average temperature, riceuguy?

As for the S/P85s, the drain-issue seems to have been solved...

lygren | November 25, 2013

Also, if TeslaOR, ssarker, wen.wei@gmail.com and mbcaffe could report their average temperatures when loss occur that would be great! It does seem as if the temperatures is correlating with the loss on the S60s, which seems logical.

However, as we do not see the same issues on the S/P85s it is still an unacceptable issue. If all S60 owners has to accept far greater loss than S/P85-customers we should be offered an upgrade to the S/P85 for the same price we originally paid as this was not informed of by Tesla (as a matter of fact, when I confirmed, Tesla had already stated they would provide a fix for the vampire-losses within a short while and I am sure this is the case for a lot of other buyers as well)!

Renegade | November 25, 2013

S60, I loose about 6-8 miles in 10 hrs while parked at work.
Average temp is in the mid 40s.
I've reset my consult multiple times, no change.

lygren | November 25, 2013

Thanks Renegade; updated list:

S60 5.8 lygren@me.com: 0,8-1 mile / hour @ 50s+
S60 5.8 TeslaOR: about 1 mile / hour @ ??
S60 5.?? ssarker: about 1? mile / hour @ ??
S60 5.8 wayne@auburnwat: about 2 miles / hour @ 30s
S60 5.? wen.wei@gmail.com: about 1 mile / hour @ ??
S60 5.? iknowli: about 0,8 mile / hour @ 55s
S60 5.? mbcaffe: about 0,2 mile / hour @ ??
S60 5.8 riceuguy: insignificant loss / hour @ ??
S60 5.? Renegade: 0,6-0,8 miles / hour @ 40s

dondennis | November 25, 2013

Another data point:
S60, v5.8, lost 4 miles of range over 15 hour period in garage, temperature 60F.

lygren | November 25, 2013

S60 5.8 lygren@me.com: 0,8-1 mile / hour @ 50s+
S60 5.8 TeslaOR: about 1 mile / hour @ ??
S60 5.?? ssarker: about 1? mile / hour @ ??
S60 5.8 wayne@auburnwat: about 2 miles / hour @ 30s
S60 5.? wen.wei@gmail.com: about 1 mile / hour @ ??
S60 5.? iknowli: about 0,8 mile / hour @ 55s
S60 5.? mbcaffe: about 0,2 mile / hour @ ??
S60 5.8 riceuguy: insignificant loss / hour @ ??
S60 5.? Renegade: 0,6-0,8 miles / hour @ 40s
S60 5.8 dondennis: 0,3 miles / hour @ 60s

Getting Amped Again | November 25, 2013

S60, ver. 5.8, 0.5 mi/hr (8 miles in 16 hours), 40 deg F.

TeslaOR | November 25, 2013

My weekend data - (garage data is plugged in and resets done)

11/23: 4 miles loss over 7 hours parked in garage (50s)
11/23: 6 miles loss over 9 hours parked outside (40s-50s)
11/24: 7 miles loss over 16 hours parked in garage (50s)
11/25: 5 miles loss over 7 hours parked in garage (40s)

So losses between 0.4 and 0.7 per hour. Or 10 miles/day.
Colder makes a difference.
Losses significant even though plugged in.

Using the lowest loss/hr and 300Whr as average energy consumption is about 3kWhrs. That is about 1/3 of my houses electricity consumption wasted in the garage. Or almost 50% of my daily commute.

bryceha | November 25, 2013

Yes, I am also seeing 10 mile loss overnight (s60) w/ 5.8. Temperatures are in the high 20s overnight in Seattle.

ssarker | November 25, 2013

I finish charging around 4 AM so hard to tell how much loss in my 50F garage. Trying not to worry too much about it since I have plenty range for my needs. I don't check on her during the day. But do check the range and turn on the heat about 5 minutes before starting out. So far, I have the following losses recorded:

11 miles/ 41 hours, ?20/30's F (airport garage)
4 miles/ 9 hours, 50F (attached garage at home)
6 miles/ 6 hours, 30F (parking garage at work)

I will update the loss at the end of the day for one more data point

ssarker | November 25, 2013

5.8 (1..24)

Mathew98 | November 25, 2013

My results are similar to @ssarker.

During the first 3 nights with 5.6/5.8 my S60 would lose 1 mile overnight (temp in the 60's).

As the weather dropped to the 30's the drain would increase back to 4.5 level.

I would say the drain is twice as much when I park in a freezing garage at work vs. my garage at home.

Brian H | November 25, 2013

Please specify battery size.

lygren;
You can make fixed-font "tables" using <pre>

S60 5.8 lygren@me.com: 0,8-1 mile/hour @ 50s+
S60 5.8 TeslaOR: about 1 mile/hour @ ??
S60 5.?? ssarker: about 1? mile/hour @ ??
S60 5.8 wayne@auburnwat about 2 miles/hour @ 30s
S60 5.? wen.wei@gmail.com about 1 mile/hour @ ??
S60 5.? iknowli: about 0,8 mile/hour @ 55s
S60 5.? mbcaffe: about 0,2 mile/hour @ ??
S60 5.8 riceuguy: insignificant loss/hour @ ??
S60 5.? Renegade: 0,6-0,8 miles/hour @ 40s
S60 5.8 dondennis: 0,3 miles/hour @ 60s

Brian H | November 25, 2013

You can also use a screen name different from your email by opening Profile and entering it. All past posts will change to match, too.

Renegade | November 25, 2013

Update, I'm on version 5.8. Loss is 0.6 to 0.8/hr @40s

HGP16 | November 25, 2013

S60 has been draining at nearly 1 mile per hour in the 30-50 degree range since the 5.8 update. But as suggested, I rebooted for the first time when I parked at work today. Just checked via app, and there has been no loss in the last 8 hours at 60 degrees in an indoor garage. I'm not sure I believe it, and will keep you posted.

Brian H | November 25, 2013

5.8 60s, reboot and report! Stat!

ssarker | November 25, 2013

Rebooted both screens yesterday.
S60 5.8 (.24)
lost 7 miles over 10.5 hours today while unplugged 32F

Brian H | November 25, 2013

Dang.

TeslaMom | November 25, 2013

Update: rebooted as suggested with significant improvement:
Loss of 4 mi/13 hours at 40',
Loss of 2 mi/6 hours at 20'
Suspect loss of 16 miles/6 hours may be due to marginal wifi signal (occurred again today) at my office.
Now for the confusing part...16 mile commute this morning consumed 10 miles of range! Preheated the cabin for 20 minutes before unplugging. Did a slow charge at 12 mi/hr (13 amp) the night before in 50' garage so charging finished an hour before leaving.
Hmmm...

bfranks273 | November 25, 2013

I've had 5.8 for a week now. I still have about 10 miles per 24 hour loss. Is roughly the same as on previous 4.5. Now in 28 degrees over night and 30s during the day. Old Sig P85. At SC for annual. They said they would call Engineering to see what they say. Will report back.

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