Would it be possible if a large group of Tesla EV owners come together and (as a group) would like to buy a Tesla Supercharger?

Would it be possible if a large group of Tesla EV owners come together and (as a group) would like to buy a Tesla Supercharger?

The whole point is that it now technically is possible (thanks to Elon Musk) to have your Tesla Model S 85 kWh battery fully charged within 1 hour when using a Supercharger. And that is just super, fantastic and fabulous at the same time.

Suppose that in the near future (2014) there are 1,000 people (in a certain city) who have bought a Tesla Model S with a 85 kWh battery. And this number of people will keep on growing for a very long time, as Tesla Motors will continue to release more EV models (with high capacity batteries) in the coming years. And battery capacity is very likely to increase every year.

Suppose that these people join each other and decide to establish a certain "Tesla EV Club". This Club will look after the interests of the people (members) who own a Tesla Model S with a 85 kWh battery pack. And the members will pay an annual member fee to their club (which will not be very much). Owners of a Tesla Model X and all the coming Tesla EV models are welcome as well by the way. Not everybody has to join the club, everyone is free to choose for themselves.

Suppose that this Club would ask Elon Musk to sell one Supercharger to the Club. Would that be possible?

If this would be possible, what kind of a situation can be created with the Supercharger? Well, I assume that the Club could create a Solar-powered Tesla Supercharging facility within their own city to be used by their club members. The investment should not be a very big problem, as there will be plenty of Tesla EV owners who surely will like to be a member of this club. So, financially this idea is very likely to be possible.

What will this Solar-powered Tesla Supercharging facility look like? How many charging spots should there be? How should this facility be managed?

Keep in mind that nobody should make any money (profit) from this facility. All the benefit should be for the members!!! Charging at this facility (in your own city) should be much cheaper and faster than charging at home. And that is the idea behind this topic.

I would like to see if anyone has any vision/view/idea to add to this thread.

Brian H | February 7, 2013

Rough figures: ¼ million each for the SC and solar array, so ½ million total. With 100 members, that's $5,000 each. That buys a lot of electricity.

Would TM see any advantage in the scheme? Hard to say.

Note that the arrays cannot power the SC directly. A deal selling to a utility and buying power back would have to be worked out.

A determined group of owners with the right expertise and connections might pull it off. Colour me dubious, however.

Pungoteague_Dave | February 7, 2013

Financially possible, but not economically feasible. Not even close. Aside from the costs, demand from 1,000 members would overwhelm available charging hours. In a city, Superchargers make no sense. Owners need standard chargers at their homes and workplaces. They can charge plenty fast for almost any conceivable use. A few unattended hours per day is all it takes.

I have one big residential solar array (84 panels on a large barn roof) and one smaller array at our second home (27 panels). They are expensive and cannot charge these cars directly and will never be able to do so. It costs only a few hundred bucks to add a regular 240 outlet to a house or business. A standard commercial EV charging station like those at stores, schools, and parking lots costs only a few thousand installed. A supercharger with solar array (to help defray the costs by putting energy back into the grid) costs a few hundred thousand to install, plus site rent, maintenance and net electricity charges. Further, in an urban location there would not be enough space on the property to add solar panels to defray Supercharger electrical costs, even if covering an office building's roof.

Benz, you seem like a creative and interesting person. I am wondering why the fixation on Superchargers? We must remember that heavy Supercharger use destroys battery life. Even regular maximum range charges reduce battery life. I hope my car sees a Supercharger only a few times in its life...

Put another way, where will the largest concentration of Tesla vehicles always be? I saw about a dozen at the Rockville service center on Saturday. There will always be a few cars at every Tesla store. Despite this, Tesla has no intention of installing Superchargers at or near any of its locations. It would defeat the purpose, for no benefit to owners or the company. It would just encourage bad behavior.

ian | February 7, 2013

+1 P_D

Thinking of having Superchargers in a city completely misses the point of the Supercharger and in my opinion misses the point of one of the greatest benefits of having an EV.

Why would you want to have to take time out of your day to stop and charge when you can plug in when you get home and have a full battery in the morning?

What your proposing is like starting a co-op gas station that just your club can use. Seems kind of ridiculous.

Have you not read all the other threads (I know you have because you can't seem to get enough info on Tesla and their cars) that describe (or try to) the point of the Supercharger network? They are for long distance travel and long distance travel only. They are in essence a marketing ploy to remove the "EV's can't be used for long distance travel" argument.

Yet, you still seem to be missing the point.

I'm with BrianH. Groan.

Vawlkus | February 7, 2013

Donate land and strong arm the utilities into allowing the hookup, and a SC will appear. | February 8, 2013

goneskiian -- "...[Tesla Super Chargers] are in essence a marketing ploy to remove the "EV's can't be used for long distance travel" argument..."

"Marketing ploy?"

Your comment was well argued until that statement.

aaronw2 | February 8, 2013

I would be more interested in seeing Super Chargers installed in more out-of-the way and tourist places rather than in big cities, places where charging options are few and far between. I'd love to see one at Lake Tahoe, Yosemite and along both 5 and 101 through Northern California as well as Carmel/Monterey or maybe near San Simeon as well as along highway 395 in the Eastern Sierra. Now, the biggest gain Tesla gets for these is it helps them sell more cars since it helps alleviate range anxiety. I must admit that for some of the trips I take I do have some range anxiety and some are just not feasible.

Granted I can go from my house down to LA or San Diego, but there's a lot of out of the way places I like to go where I'll still have to drive my Prius.

Brian H | February 8, 2013

If you don't like the word "ploy", substitute "tactic" or "approach". But it's surely part of the Marketing department. Brilliant and inexpensive, too.

Benz | February 9, 2013

@ Pungoteague_Dave

We must remember that heavy Supercharger use destroys battery life. Even regular maximum range charges reduce battery life. I hope my car sees a Supercharger only a few times in its life...

Is it absolutely sure that Supercharger use destroys battery life?

Pungoteague_Dave | February 9, 2013

Yes, Benz, the owners manual specificlly says to limit Supercharger AND max charge cycles because they reduce battery life.

neilchapman | February 9, 2013

A more realistic scenario might be a group of Tesla owners sharing a High Power Wall Connector (HPWC) instead. For example, a group could purchase a small "tear down" home in an isolated area between major cities, and configure a HPWC at the residence, hopefully in a garage or driveway.

Then it could be registered on one of the iPhone apps like Recargo for other Tesla owners. Perhaps there could simply be a "tip jar" where folks could leave some bucks to help with the utility bill.

Sure, the HPWC does not charge as fast as the superchargers, but at 62 miles in an hour, it's not half bad. ;)

Could there be a new wave of Teslapreneurs one day?


Benz | February 10, 2013

@ Pungoteague_Dave

Just for my well understanding.

So it's better for the battery life NOT to fully charge the battery. For example, if you would charge the battery up to 80% every night in your own garage, then that would be preferable, instead of charging your battery up to 100% every night in your own garage. Is that right?

Brian H | February 10, 2013

That's called Standard Charge for a reason.

Pungoteague_Dave | February 10, 2013

Yes, the standard charge that the car does automatically is less than full because the battery cannot handle being topped off often,and every max range charge reduces its life. When my car is completed its regular charge, it has 242 rated miles. In real life I find this to be the sufficient to plan a 150 mile trip. A max range charge is sufficient to plan a 175 mile trip, but I wold not do that more than once per week.

Benz | February 11, 2013

@ Pungoteague_Dave & Brian H

OK. Good to know this information.

About the Tesla Model X with a 85 kWh battery pack. If the battery is charged at home up to 80% (Standard Charge), what will the range be if I drive 88 km/hr (55 miles/hr) and if all the conditions are optimal (weather, road, tyres, etc.)?

I know that the range will be lower than the Tesla Model S 85 kWh, as a result of a higher air drag, which will result in a 15% less range than the Tesla Model S 85 kWh.

My guess is 326 km range. What do you think?

Benz | February 12, 2013

@ Pungoteague_Dave

I have read (somewhere else on this forum) that your Tesla Model S 85 kWh has a real life range of only 175 miles. If we delete 15% for the higher air drag of the Tesla Model X 85 kWh, then this results in a real life range of 149 miles (238 km). This is far less than expected, but anyhow better than other EV's.