Best thing you can do for the EV movement: buy a non-Tesla EV

Best thing you can do for the EV movement: buy a non-Tesla EV

Think about it. Tesla is only going to make EVs no matter what, but a lot of car companies are making both EVs and ICEs. We need their EVs to succeed! They have a lot of hurdles to overcome, and they need our help:

1) Other manufacturers have to sell their cars through dealers, and dealers always anti-sell EVs. We have all seen it. Dealers need to see us show up in numbers and say "no thanks" to the ICEs they push. And when you do close the sale, you can enjoy a nostalgic moment - ahhh, the old car dealership experience again!

2) They don't have a supercharger network. Poor guys are trying to sell electric SUVs with no travel capability. Nothing says impotent like an SUV that can't go anywhere. But come on, give it a try - it'll be fun - like the early adopter days in 2013. The range anxiety contributes to a sense of family adventure!

3) Other EVs just aren't as good as Teslas. But hey, it's getting there! They advertise themselves to be almost as good as a Tesla in every category. Except maybe range, and acceleration... but you don't really need those things in an electric car. We've had enough fun, it's time to make a sacrifice for the cause!

NKYTA | June 13, 2019

Interesting, but no. ;-)

I’m not giving up my 2012 S with FSCFL, but it has 21” low profile tires. So we’ll use my wife’s Dual Motor 3 for road trips in the snow, to Tahoe, etc. But probably not long trips, because the E is free!

hammer @OR-US | June 13, 2019

We tried, we looked for an alternative before we bought the 3 but being an all electric family we needed a car that can go on road trips, particularly to California where my wife's family is. With the lack of CCS chargers no other car could then or now do this.

ST70 | June 14, 2019

@Madatgascar - funny!

vpoz | June 14, 2019

Did look at Jag I pace as 2nd car but put off by no Autopilot for the price, went for latest model Leaf. Excellent value for money and auto steer pretty good.

tes-s | June 14, 2019

That may be the best thing for the EV movement - you make a good case.

Many (most?) of us are committed to the EV movement. But there are limits....

dougk71 | June 14, 2019

If Tesla fails ICE manufacturers and the dealership networks will triumph.
Buying Tesla stock and not letting it be loaned out to short sellers is the next best thing to buying an additional Tesla car or putting on a Tesla solar roof. Helping Tesla get through the short seller minefield this year and next is critical.

Tropopause | June 14, 2019

Ditto ^^^^^

Tesla is the reason for the season. | June 14, 2019

@Madatgascar - I like it!

I'm sure someday some automaker will come out with an EV as good as a 2012 Tesla Model S. Still waiting, but any decade now it will happen :)

The auto market is so huge that no one automaker can satisfy every customer desire. I'm sure some miss the days of whorehouse style red velour interiors and purple vinyl landau roofs. If enough people want it, I'm sure some automaker will make it. They key is marketing the hell out of some crap mobile, along with lots of sexy women and men. So long as automakers are run by advertising and finance, we are likely to get more crap mobiles of every type - ICE and EVs that can't compete with Tesla.

barrykmd | June 14, 2019

Yes, TT. Teslas and customer support are so good that they just laid off another round of service personnel.

Tesla-David | June 14, 2019

Thanks @Madatgascar, but no thanks. No other EVs out there compare to our MS, M3. I agree with @dougk71's points, Tesla has to weather the fierce FUD campaign by short sellers, Tesla haters. As EM stated the 2012 MS efficiency/performance has not been replicated by any other EV manufactured to date.

carlk | June 14, 2019

Good idea. I also propose women in the world to help the human kind by dating me.

Mathew98 | June 14, 2019

@carlk - Women are smart enough to continue to avoid you. OTOH, there are plenty of dumb guys available. Are you picky?


reed_lewis | June 14, 2019

Given the choice of replacing the totalled Model 3 with another Model 3 or any other EV, the choice is simple. Model 3. There is no other EV out there that has what Tesla has.

redacted | June 14, 2019

Impeccable logic.

Mathew98 | June 14, 2019

Sarcasm at work...

RanjitC | June 14, 2019

Should I also trade in my iPhone for a Huawei? Yeah, not happening!

Madatgascar | June 14, 2019

Guess I forgot the /s

Just ordered a new Model X myself!

Mike83 | June 14, 2019

Teslas are made with Love. Nothing compares. Perhaps a Lamborghini Veneno at $3.9 million has similar love vibes. Forget it, it isn't EV

AERODYNE | June 14, 2019

I do not believe other car makers are as serious as Tesla is in making EV's.

I am willing to consider one if it measures up to a model 3. Untill then no way. Let market forces rule.

SamO | June 15, 2019

I thought the idea was so stupid until OP mentioned it was a joke. And of course tes confirmed it was a terrible idea by agreeing wholeheartedly.

The best thing to happen is if all the car companies simultaneously go bankrupt.

Then Tesla will sell 100% of the cars, TSLA shares will go to $20,000 and the loser fuckwads who have been wrong about Tesla since day one can permanently leave the forum.

A girl can dream.

kerryglittle | June 15, 2019

If other companies see that Tesla is outpacing them in sales they will up their game. After all it's only about the dollar for them and they don't want to lose sales.

Mathew98 | June 15, 2019

The ICE makers ARE upping their games. They have tons of vaporware coming in the next 5 years. They have loads of electrified lineup. Haven't you heard of all the advanced hybrids and city EV roaming wild from everyone and their grandmothers? | June 15, 2019

@kerryglittle - "If other companies see that Tesla is outpacing them in sales they will up their game. "

You'd think so, but Tesla keep destroying every vehicle segment they enter. S/X took away a huge chunk of the premium market - legacy response - crickets. Now that the Model 3 is the #1 car by revenue (ICE and EVs) you'd think someone would get the wakeup call - still crickets. Perhaps after Tesla produces the Model Y, Model Z, Model B, Model C.... to Model Q, will any legacy still be in existence?

Rather sad that these legacy companies are so poorly run that they only know how to produce the same old crap year after year, by changing the grill and calling it a "new" car. At some point, no amount of advertising is going to convince people to buy these albatrosses.

Captain_Zap | June 15, 2019

One word. Supercharger.

SbMD | June 15, 2019

@CZ + 1

Two more words: Market Pressure

Applied liberally to traditional automakers by the public buying up Tesla cars. That is the main reason why the worldwide movement to EVs appears to be occurring.

Funny post, @Madatgascar!

SbMD | June 15, 2019

@TT + 1

All the truck owners I have talked to have said if Tesla brings an electric truck with the type of specs that Tesla has delivered with other vehicles in their segments, and at a reasonable cost, switching will be inevitable.

AERODYNE | June 15, 2019

I think we can all agree the second best way to support the EV industry is never buy a new ICE car again.

I say new, because some old ICE cars would make interesting EV conversions.

DanFoster1 | June 15, 2019

Hilarious. Absolutely not. No Supercharger network, no sale. And Tesla makes the best cars.

TranzNDance | June 15, 2019

I think it would take some serious intervention to keep the dealership cartel from blocking EV sales the way they have been able to block Tesla in some states.

dougk71 | June 16, 2019

EV sales have siphoned off a percent or two of the dealership revenue as have direct sales like Carvana etc.The dealership cartel is active but when EV sales reach 10% expect them to start howling. Like the Real Estate cartel they enjoy the 6% to 10% they put in their pocket for every sale. The accounting profession needs to look at the recognition of revenue. Tesla has to deliver the car to the customer to record the revenue. A traditional ICE manufacturer just has to get the car on the dealer lot to recognize revenue. Theoretically an ICE manufacturer could recognize oodles of revenue without a single car being delivered to a customer. Tesla has offshore customer delivery issues and revenue drops only to recover 90 days later when customers get their cars.
Tesla could create straw man paper only dealers to take cars onto Tesla's balance sheet as they arrive at the dock.

bp | June 17, 2019

Total lifetime ownership cost should already be lower today than the cost of owning a new ICE.

But consumers usually focus more on the initial purchase price - which remains a challenge for Tesla and the other manufacturers bringing competing EVs to the market.

Once Tesla and any other manufacturer is able to produce an EV that competes directly with a comparable ICE on cost, that will begin a more rapid transition to EVs.

We're not yet there - but getting closer.

The dealerships are fighting a losing battle - as Tesla is demonstrating how online sales and mobile service eliminate most of the justification for the dealerships by showing how Tesla can provide a better sales/service experience without requiring going to a dealership.

Longer term, the biggest threat to dealerships may not be Tesla - but their own manufacturers, when the manufacturers realize their continued use of dealerships could be costing them sales and that shifting to online sales and mobile service for EVs could be much cheaper than continuing to support dealerships.

NKYTA | June 17, 2019

+2 @bp | June 17, 2019

@bp +1

The problem in the USA is the dealers have a legal stranglehold on the manufacturers that use them. Most people don't realize most dealers are owned by huge dealer groups. The top 35 groups each made more than $1B in 2017. AutoNation alone had $21B in revenue and owns 258 dealerships. That buys a lot of legislation and lobbyists and they are not going to let go of that revenue stream without a fight. The days of the Mom & Pop dealer are long gone.

It will be interesting if any of the new EV startups do it alone like Tesla or go the dealer route.

CygnusX-1 | June 17, 2019

@bp: I have to disagree with your assessment that Tesla can provide better sales/service experience than dealerships. I just purchased a new S and overall it was the worst buying experience I ever had. Tesla NEEDS to change their business model if they want to be competitive with dealers. This experience I had was not the fault of the people (or at least I don't believe it to be so) but the whole internet sales model and not having a single person responsible for completing the sale. There was no one I could talk to which has the authority to correct problems. Therefore something that should have taken at most hours to correct took 12 days. This is what is going to doom Tesla when other manufacturers come out with a technically compatible car.

TranzNDance | June 17, 2019

The last time I bought a car from a dealership, I didn't want to go alone. It wasn't in the sense of let's do this fun thing together, but please walk with me because I don't want to walk down this dark alley frequented by rapists and muggers. Tesla has its flaws, and can make people frustrated and angry, but fear and dread are less likely to be associated emotions.

dougk71 | June 17, 2019

Just got my first Tesla remote service. Timely and very professional. Win,win a sensor was fixed and unlike with an ICE car no need to go to a dealership and hope the salesmen will leave you in peace. Now my buying and delivery experience was bumpy. Mostly this was the first time buying a car on line. Florida's dealer associations have made it as difficult as can be to buy new cars outside of their cartel like monopoly. This makes Tesla have to jump through hoops to get the new car to you. The wow factor my Tesla brings and a greater understanding of the difficulties Tesla has in delivering cars in a hostile dealership environment has me grateful that it was even possible to buy such a great car in Florida.

p.c.mcavoy | June 17, 2019

RE comments of existing manufacturers choosing in the future to forego dealerships:

They may not have a choice. Some states have language that says a manufacturer cannot compete directly against their dealers. Indiana is an example. That says once a manufacturer has made the decision to use a dealer network, they are locked in to continuing use dealerships.

PBEndo | June 17, 2019

What have the dealers done that makes it so difficult for Tesla to sell in Florida?

mre5565 | June 18, 2019

Um. No.

Hassancook24 | June 18, 2019

I feel like the opposite is true. We have to buy Tesla because the legacy automakers are essentially copycats. We have to show them that EVs are what we want going forward... and not just any EV because they typically put out crappy looking cars and then when they don't sell, they point the finger like "See, EVs don't sell!". That's why Tesla is the best on the market

Madatgascar | June 20, 2019

Just picked up my new Model X today! (Burbank was moving metal like crazy - think they were glad I didn't need much orientation.) Guess I'm not following my own advice.

Stiction | June 23, 2019

I think I'll change my ID from Stiction to Madatmadatgascar