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Hydroxychloroquine no benefit, increased death rate

Hydroxychloroquine no benefit, increased death rate

No benefit, Increased death rate in those treated with hydroxychloroquine:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/21/health/hydroxychloroquine-veterans-study/...

Mike83 | April 21, 2020

I have to ask. What do Politicians know about drugs, medicine, economics or anything these days other than BS?

FISHEV | April 21, 2020

This can't be right, it is a miracle drug, the wealthy son of a real estate developer said it "has shown very promising results". He saw two crypocurrency scammers promote it on Fox News, it must be true. Trump said it was true at his daily self promotion.

I suspect a liberal media conspiracy against Trump is suppressing the true results of tens of thousands saved by Trumps clarion call to use an unproven anti-malarial drug.

We can stop taking precautions against Covid-19 as Trump has guaranteed every American will have enough cholorquinine to fend off the virus for the next seven month at least.

if you believe in real estate scammers over MD's, you need to attend a Trump ChinaVirus/Chloro party where free Cvoid=19 nasal spray will be provided for all along witha big dose of Chloro, we'll show them pointy headed science types.

jimglas | April 21, 2020

and trump bought 35 million doses with tax dollars

rxlawdude | April 21, 2020

I've been saying this since Trump first announced this "miracle cure" and my pharmacist colleagues became deluged in prescriptions for CQ/HCQ.

Orthopod | April 21, 2020

Trump is probably going to say he always knew
Then say the 35M was fake news

sabbia | April 22, 2020

I've taken almost every opportunity to post here that the efficacy of chloroquine is a proxy for Trump's stable genius. "I really get this stuff." If Trump is right about chloroquine then it follows the night as the day that he is right about everything and only the left thinks he's not very bright. Well then there's the conservative thinkers such as David Brooks, Bill Kristol, Joe Scarborough and kind-of-insider George Conway...but I digress. Maybe they are communists who have taken off the red star so they can blend in.

"My uncle taught at MIT." Well I guess that makes Dr. John Trump a monkey. SORRY...I couldn't resist. I get nicer to the Trumpers in the paragraph below.

The study JimGlas reports is just one that shows no benefit. The French journal that posted the original data retracted it. A few more show no benefit. Worse yet, it shows a DOUBLING of the death rate. "What do you have to lose"?

But, in fairness, we can't declare the chloroquine a failure yet. One of the early studies (not duplicated, nor controlled, nor anything but one doc's anecdotal report) had a zinc sulfate as an adjuvant. Maybe the zinc does something...but don't bet your life...you do have something to lose.

andy.connor.e | April 22, 2020

zinc could do something. but thats basically like saying that a stronger immune system can help fight diseases. which is kind of like, no kidding. distributing a dose of captain obvious.

FISHEV | April 22, 2020

sabbia | April 22, 2020 I've taken almost every opportunity to post here that the efficacy of chloroquine is a proxy for Trump's stable genius."

To know Trump's viewpoint before he does, simply watch Fox News. Literally minutes after it appears on Fox News Trump will be repeating it.

Trumped watched a Fox News show by Tucker Carlson that featured a cryptocurrency scammer promoting a miracle cure for Covid-19. Trump went from watching the show to promoting the drug in a Pandemic Update press conference. Sadly, Elon Musk's name comes up in the scam.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8143845/Malaria-cure-coronaviru...

Trump did not ask any scientists he simply repeated Fox News story.

"Trump has repeatedly touted anti-malaria drug chloroquine as a 'cure' for coronavirus, calling it a 'miracle from God' and a 'game-changer'

But the first person to promote it as a potential cure is revealed to have posed as a Stanford University researcher when he was nothing of the kind

He is actually a cryptocurrency entrepreneur and member of his family's legal firm in Melville, Long Island

Rigano, 34, who uses his parents' address on public records, wrote a bogus scientific paper with another crypto investor, an opthamologist from Michigan

It touted chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine as a potential cure but was removed from Google's public documents for breaching their terms of use

The document claimed to be supported by Stanford and University of Alabama at Birmingham researchers but both institutions say that is false

Rigano got his document tweeted by Elon Musk then went on a string of Fox News shows, not correcting Stuart Varney who called him 'doctor' three times

The 'cure' was then touted heavily by Trump at the White House - despite Tony Fauci using the same briefing to say evidence for it is at best anecdotal

Rigano set up a secretive LLC in February and has previously tried to raise funds to 'cheat death, cure cancer and end Alzheimer's'"

jimglas | April 22, 2020

Vaccine head canned for crossing trump about hydroycholoquine:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/22/politics/rick-bright-barda-trump-coronavi...

MitchP85D | April 22, 2020

Hats off to New York City. Daily cases down to 40, daily hospitalizations 9, daily deaths 9.

https://www1.nyc.gov/site/doh/covid/covid-19-data.page

SCCRENDO | April 22, 2020

I see paprika Andy still weighing in with snake oil advice. Please do not post and copy and paste links showing that he continues to speak out of his anus. It could upset him.

FISHEV | April 22, 2020

"The doctor who led the federal agency involved in developing a coronavirus vaccine said on Wednesday that he was removed from his post after he pressed for a rigorous vetting of a coronavirus treatment embraced by President Trump. The doctor said that science, not “politics and cronyism,” must lead the way."

"Dr. Rick Bright was abruptly dismissed this week as the director of the Department of Health and Human Services’ Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority, or BARDA, and as the deputy assistant secretary for preparedness and response."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/us/coronavirus-live-coverage.html#lin...

SCCRENDO | April 22, 2020

Welcome to the post truth era where the imagination of a stable genius outweighs fact and science.

andy.connor.e | April 22, 2020

i see the salt mines are still flowing, and your reading comprehension cannot understand anything that isnt trump sucks with a link. what would you say if i told you to drink ginger turmeric tea and see if it helps with inflammation? that im selling snake oil? humans have lived without double blind placebo published and reviewed studies for over 180 thousand years. i dont know why you choose to be so hard headed about what you think you know.

SCCRENDO | April 22, 2020

These threads have been overwhelmed with idiots like you posting bullshit. While we do often go off topic most real Tesla owners would prefer to have a board with credibility. And it is more often than not that non owners fill the board with their own imagination. Paprika Andy again called out for bullshit.

andy.connor.e | April 22, 2020

i think you've actually lost your marbles. you dont even know what you're mad about anymore. you're just so angry

FISHEV | April 22, 2020

"For a month’s stretch, the Fox News star Laura Ingraham relentlessly promoted the malaria drug hydroxychloroquine to her nearly four million nightly viewers.

The drug was “a game changer” in the fight against the coronavirus, the conservative anchor declared. She booked recovered patients to describe their “miracle turnaround” — “like Lazarus, up from the grave,” as Ms. Ingraham put it. Anyone who questioned the drug’s efficacy was, she said, “in total denial.”

"But as of Wednesday last week, Ms. Ingraham was no longer talking about hydroxychloroquine, and she hasn’t brought it up on her show since."

"Her fellow Fox News prime-time stars, Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity, have also cut back on referring to the drug. In fact, since April 13, hydroxychloroquine has been mentioned about a dozen times on Fox News, compared with more than 100 times in the four previous weeks, according to a review of network transcripts."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/22/business/media/virus-fox-news-hydroxy...

SCCRENDO | April 22, 2020

@fishev. Hopefully we only need to tolerate these turds through November. After that Trump and friends and family spend their days trying to stay out of jail and the MAGA hatters can go back to watching Foxnews and yelling at their TV sets

Uncle Paul | April 22, 2020

Once this drug became highly politicized, it will be almost impossible to get accurate reporting on it;s effectiveness.

Porponents noticed that the drug dosage was a super high 600 mg, while most recommended only 50mg doses. Of course those overdosed with most any drug will show side effects.

Now that both sides have skin in the game, nobody is going to produce a unbiased trial.

Uncle Paul | April 22, 2020

Discusting how some would point with glee that a possible treatment of this horrible virus might actually be helpful.

Like all drugs, they have the ability to be helpful to some, but harmful to others. Physicians can shift through the pandering ti determine which of their patients might find this drug to be life saving.

MitchP85D | April 22, 2020

As always, you are full of crap FISHEV. Laura Ingraham set the record straight Wednesday evening. Dr. Didier Raoult reviewed the so-called study and pointed out the flaws. The hydroxychloroquine issue was number 1 on Laura Ingraham's show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RexUJeWmzSE

What I find disgusting is this crusade against A treatment for COVID patients. Those with a political agenda are substituting politics for medical science. Not all doctors agree with the efficacy of HCQ. Just because some A-hole political hack doesn't like HCQ doesn't mean they can tell all of the doctors of the world whether they can of can't have HCQ in their medicine bag.

As I've said before, I don't care if a doctor uses HCQ or not. But the doctor should have the right to use it if he thinks it is the best drug to use under certain circumstances. Obviously there are a lot of doctors in the world who believe HCQ should be in their medicine bag. And for some peculiar reason (politics), some here in Tesla world want to take HCQ out of the medicine bag of all doctors in the world.

blkice | April 23, 2020

Just because some A-Hole political hacks dislikes HCQ
Are you really that Stupid and you call me Goofy dumb ass liberal
What you are is a brain washed Fool

rxlawdude | April 23, 2020

"Now that both sides have skin in the game, nobody is going to produce a unbiased trial."

Science is not political. Medical science is not political.

Until a certain Orange-a-Tan promoted it like a barker selling snake oil. The fault for "politicization" falls squarely on the ChiefCheeto.

sabbia | April 23, 2020

Look. The studies (and there have been some) are clear. It doesn't work.

The only thing to ask about if you are interested in empirical evidence (facts) is whether the absence of zinc is what made the drug more dangerous than nothing at all.

jimglas | April 23, 2020

^^^^ what he said

SCCRENDO | April 23, 2020

I would really doubt that zinc would be the missing factor. CQ was never going to be a miracle cure. Best case scenario would have been a slight statistical benefit.

It is interesting that our climate change denier in chief is weighing in with his opinion on medical science. As stated any licensed MD can prescribe CQ. But the there is a big difference between can and should. Nobody should prescribe chloroquine outside of a clinical trial. In fact perhaps the FDA should step in and recommend against it’s use because its risks seem to far outweigh its benefit. Clinical trials are usually stopped early when there is evidence of severe harm. If public health policy is going to be set by Trump, Foxnews and eneducated mutant MAGA hatters our descent into 3rd world medicine will accelerate

jimglas | April 23, 2020

truthe trump family must have some investment in a compny that maufactures HCQ. Thats the only explanation I can come up with for his support and purchasing 35 million doses of the drug

Uncle Paul | April 23, 2020

Bayer makes that drug. They donated 1 million doses to USA for us to use if we felt it was worth trying. It is a relatively inexpensive generic because the original patents have expired (like aspirin...people still do not totally understand how it works).

People are trying all sorts of things due to the time crunch of saving lives while classical clinical trials are done.

Saw an article where Nocotine patches are even being tried. If a patient is going to die without treatment, perhaps trying something with even a glimmer of hope is justified.

Plan is to get Zinc into cells. The Zinc seems to keep the virus from replecating inside our cells. Allows out immune systems to defeat the virus.

Imagine this will all sort out over time, but meanwhile people are still dying.

SCCRENDO | April 23, 2020

@Uncle. Sure a pharmaceutical company will supply free drug to get people to use it. Please stop pontificating on therapies without any knowledge of what you are talking about. It is irresponsible

Uncle Paul | April 23, 2020

Bayer makes that drug. They donated 1 million doses to USA for us to use if we felt it was worth trying. It is a relatively inexpensive generic because the original patents have expired (like aspirin...people still do not totally understand how it works).

People are trying all sorts of things due to the time crunch of saving lives while classical clinical trials are done.

Saw an article where Nocotine patches are even being tried. If a patient is going to die without treatment, perhaps trying something with even a glimmer of hope is justified.

Plan is to get Zinc into cells. The Zinc seems to keep the virus from replecating inside our cells. Allows out immune systems to defeat the virus.

Imagine this will all sort out over time, but meanwhile people are still dying.

MitchP85D | April 23, 2020

Utter horsecrap jimglas. The mainstream news media would have already confronted Trump about that in the daily news conferences if it was true.

sabbia, Dr. Didier Raoult of France strongly disagrees with you and the rest of you liberal-socialist types here in the Tesla Forum. You cannot stand the fact that there are doctors worldwide who have a different assessment of a certain type of treatment for COVID patients from yours.

LOL @ block ice cube - I can tell "A-hole political hack" bugs the sheeeet out of you. Glad you didn't like it!

finman100 | April 23, 2020

please, keep trying this cure. it'll work. one way or another.

stupid is as stupid does.

Darwin must be laughing his ass off at this farce of an administration.

GFY

andy.connor.e | April 23, 2020

if what did not kill you doesnt make you stronger, try it again and maybe it will work.

MitchP85D | April 23, 2020

finman100, the doctors in the front line are trying anything they can. Laughing at them is unhelpful. Bringing Trump into the picture is a disconnect.

jimglas | April 23, 2020

MitchP85D | April 23, 2020
Utter horsecrap jimglas.
========================
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-us-has-stockpiled-29m-hydroxychloroq...
yup, horsecrap Mitch ....

MitchP85D | April 23, 2020

jimglas, the stockpiling does not prove Trump profited from it in some way. If Trump did profit from it, I assure you, the mainstream news media would be all over him for that!

jimglas | April 23, 2020

a grifter grifts, that just what he does

MitchP85D | April 23, 2020

That is what you surmise. What you surmise is standing in quicksand.

jimglas | April 23, 2020

he has been a grifter his entire life
he wont change

sabbia | April 23, 2020

I don't understand why anyone here responds to Mitch. I stopped a long time ago when he said his objective was to stink up these threads. He made his objective clear. We are way past Warnock's dllemma. It serves no purpose whatsoever...on any topic.

For those of you who read a post here that Dr. Didier Raoult disagrees with me, I remind you that the journal that published Raoult's retracted it. https://retractionwatch.com/2020/04/06/hydroxychlorine-covid-19-study-di...

As to stink, it has been reported that flatus can contain coronavirus. Figures.

SCCRENDO | April 23, 2020

It is sad to see medical decisions in a pandemic being made by our stable genius, Foxnews and low IQ mutant MAGA hatters. This is the secret to a rapid decline from 1st world to 3rd world medical care. Although with our consumer driven medical care system I am not clear we could truly call our medical system 1st world. This pandemic has taught us that we need Medicare for all and a competent president who will defer medical policy to those that know what they are talking about.

Meanwhile back at the ranch the most promising anti-viral remdesivir is likely also a bust. So back to basic medical principles. Social distancing of various degrees depending on where you are and the local state of infectivity, waiting for a vaccine and herd immunity with the hope of medications that may help.

SCCRENDO | April 23, 2020
finman100 | April 23, 2020

but that was only tested by WHO. /s
US is not part of that so it's possible it really will work. again /s

it gets really tiresome to hear people still support such a complete idiot like donald.

seriously what is wrong with people? is it something other than the corona virus? i mean, what is motivating about such a liar?

it'd be funny if it wasn't so unbelievable to see so much ignorant behavior from so many. there's no other way to put it.

yeah. THIS. https://www.mediamatters.org/sean-hannity/how-foxs-sean-hannity-has-down...

SCCRENDO | April 23, 2020

As I have stated multiple times even if it does eventually show benefit it won’t be the miracle drug that MAGA hatters are looking for.

sabbia | April 23, 2020

@Finman. Think bell shaped curve.

jimglas | April 23, 2020

too bad about the antiviral
that had a chance

sabbia | April 23, 2020

Note the last 5 words on Trump's latest cure during press briefing today:

"And then I see the disinfectant, that knocks it out in a minute.. and is there a way you can do something like, by injection, inside, or almost to clean... It sounds interesting to me."

I'd like to hear the opinions of the "what do you have to lose" folks.

SCCRENDO | April 23, 2020

Darwin. Help us out here.

TabascoGuy | April 23, 2020

Oh, he will... well, his theory will.

NKYTA | April 23, 2020

@sabbia, he is a pro when It comes to saying “we’ll see” lacking everything scientific.

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