This is happening Thursday (2/14/13) afternoon...follow this twitter IDs to track:
@CNNMoney @PeterDrives @AbigailBassett
More to follow!
Yes:-D go CNN, remember to charge more than 28%
Looks like it will be a breeze, so far.
Done! Milford, CT, 1 hr ago. https://twitter.com/@PeterDrives "lead-footin'" for 20 miles, 38 to spare.
Love it. Makes Broder look like a moron. Why did he have to stay anywhere overnight anyway?
"126 miles to our hotel in Boston. Game over." (Showing pic of charging completing with 271 miles available.)
Do you think Broder was driving around the parking lot in reverse to "eat up" some range to validate his claim?
Same in Abigails tweet: https://twitter.com/AbigailBassett
Two hours left to Boston.
@dvclifford; considering how stupid he looks that's definitely a possibility.
Well it looks like the CNN team miraculously !!! made the trip w/o range issues, imagine that Broder who?
CNN, thats cool. If we can get FOX to do it, then its back to bussing tables for him.
She tweeted "2 hours to go" 2 hours ago. Now to see if they got obliterated by a giant snowball meteorite, or SLT.
They apparently made it:http://money.cnn.com/2013/02/15/autos/tesla-model-s/index.html
They seem to be more intelligent test drivers than the one from the NYT
Burn Broder burn. ;-)
His report seems to be on the broder-line of insanity ;-)
Whoops Blodgett of Business Insider published just to soon and now looks as stupid as NY Times, Forbes and the rest
When will these guys ever learn
Looks like challenge was not how to make that trip, challenge was how not to make that trip.
It was clearly quite a challenge for Broder to not make that trip.
Obviously the Broder prejudiced against electric cars. So he rigged the test against the Model S. It is not his first article against BEVs. What he fails to realize is that battery capacity has historically improved by 7%/year. Over 5 years, it amounts to 40%.
Meanwhile, Model S (or its successors), will improve their electronics like the inverter efficiency, motor efficiency, etc. Heating or AC load could be reduced with light weight foam insulation, insulated/laminated glass, use of heating pump, etc. The weight of the car could reduce using stronger Al alloys that combine Al with such metals as Copper, Mg, Mn, Cu, etc. Structural design improvements could reduce the weight further. Battery packaging itself may have room for weight reduction. Overall, the car weighs nearly 4,800 lbs and 1,000-1,200 of that is battery and packaging. Leaves a lot of room for weight loss. Loose may be 500-1,000 lbs. Nominal range could go to 500 miles. Cost could drop too like most appliances have done.
I'm curious what the temperature was for the CNN trip. Did I miss it mentioned in the article? Not that it would have changed the outcome. Just curious.
I could read the temperature from a photo that they took on twitter and it was 41 degree https://twitter.com/AbigailBassett/status/302259146709950464/photo/1
sorry 40 degrees
With CNN's repeated trip, it shows, in my opinion, that if Mr. Broder were honest, he has proved himself being a real fool or if Mr. Broder were not honest, he has proved himself being a Tesla hater. Forbes and NYT seem to be in the same Tesla bashing camp.
To be (somewhat) fair. The conditions were not the same. During Broder's trip it was bitter cold whereas CNN had 40 degree weather.
Wow that headline hurts. Does not help the cause....
The Tesla Nightmare Shows Why Today's All-Electric Cars Are (Basically) Dead On Arrival
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-problem-electric-cars-2013-2#ixzz2K...
That Business Insider article is biased, out of date, and does not reference the Musk blog. Avoid it.
Here is an example of quality journalism.
I agree with Carefree. The difference in temperature leaves Broder some wiggle room. Ideally, the trip should be repeated at temperatures that are at least as cold as they were on Broder's trip. That would be definitive. I'd be tempted to do it myself, except that I live in Chicago and don't yet have my model S (expecting it in the next few weeks).
No it doesn't. the difference in range would be minuscule. CNN made the trip with miles to spare.
Broder is always going to have wiggle room. I think continuing a war of words won't help anything -- just highlight others making the same trip without problems and leave it at that.
Nice. This is icing on the cake.
I think the flurry of current owners doing the Broder trip will really be interesting to compare. I think as more MS are sold, it should become an annual event... "Tour de Broder"
Border may either be "shorting" Tesla, or was paid by
Those who are.
Tesla delivers Q4 $$$ results today?
Possible this was just a $$$$ market play.
Q4 results are due on 2/20 NOT today.
I was mentioning the same thing to my wife yesterday :-)
TOUR DE BRODER should become an annual event.
Elon tweet - links to a video report of the CNN trip
"If data says Broder fudged test drive and CNN shows same on *camera*, then no reasonable doubt remains http://t.co/cLjVLs8s
"Tour de Broder" is an excellent idea! :-))
Saw someone post on TMC (referencing a Leaf board) that intentionally running your battery out should from now on be termed "Brodering" :)
@jk2014 and @GeirT,
"Tour de Broder" annual event on Feb 5 would be a great idea. A "Broder Award" should also be given at the event to any MS owner who stuck on the road because he/she "brodered" his/her MS.
Yeah, about 100 AFAIK. What would be interesting is to see the two logs side-by-side!
Another difference: Peter is an actual car reviewer. I.e., a competent driver and analyst.
I have exchanged a few thoughts with said Broder.
to attempt (but fail) to flatten the battery of an electric vehicle: I tried to broder it, but it wouldn't brick.
to deliberately omit certain facts to alter the interpretation of events: If we broder it a little, they'll think it failed.
to make exaggerated claims to make something sound more interesting: [National Inquirer Editor:] "we need to add some more broder to this story.
re: Peter is an professional car reviewer difference'
Excellent point and one an obvious one I haven't heard many make
does he deserve to be immortalized? somebody give me examples of imfamous annual events!
Having driven my car for a week in below-freezing temperatures, sometimes in the teens, I can tell you it's a different ballgame whether you preheat or not. It feels like you're driving an ICE vehicle with a small hole in the gas tank. Rated mileage drops off much more quickly than expected. It's not a problem if you're aware of it, but easily could be if you're not. The test needs to be repeated under similar temperature conditions as was mentioned above if Tesla really wants to make a statement. And please folks, vet and train the journalists that will be speaking to the world about your car. A lot of damage to the brand could have been avoided if the driver had been given even a cursory backgroind check, and had to pass a basic MS competency test before heading to Boston.
Correction: regardless of whether...
Could be you guys in the Midwest (or other) cold will just have to pay the ICE price for a while or move. The rest of the country is in global warming :)
I lived in Minnesota for 12 years and finally escaped. I have no sympathy. Deal with it
I got the distinct impression B. was trying to make it look like he was emulating (his concept of) a typical doofus driver. Perhaps on the grounds that though the current owners are mostly 'sperts, that's not a measure of the (low) standard of attention and care the public is prepared to exert.
Lots of issues there, but one is that the current price point pretty much filters out the lower end of the user scale he was "representing".
The globe's warming plateaued about 16 years ago, and is most likely to reverse now for a couple of decades, before plateauing at a much cooler level for another decade or so. The S better be prepared!
Not even closehttp://www.epa.gov/climatechange/science/future.html#Temperature