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"GM Takes on Tesla - and Just Might Win" and "VW Wants to Win With Electric Cars"

"GM Takes on Tesla - and Just Might Win" and "VW Wants to Win With Electric Cars"

http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/the-exchange/gm-takes-tesla-just-might-wi...
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/09/16/vw-wants-to-win-with-el...

GM planning to make a 200 mile range $30,000 that will apparently crush Tesla for all of eternity because 'Yahoo!' fails at making rational decisions.

Yes! And by "make," surely they mean "over a period of five years conceptualize, design, build, test, manufacture, sell, and wish upon a star that consumers overlook the fact that our car pales in comparison to the Model S, X and E cars Tesla will have on the market at that time." By the by GM didn't give any rough estimates on a date, but it definitely won't be out by the time the Model E makes waves.

We do realize that this is the same car company that sells the Volt, aka government-backed 2011 CotY that failed in nearly every aspect that GM loses money on for every single Volt that rolls off of the lot.

In other news, VW woke up yesterday and decided they would become the leader in "electric mobility" by 2018, which apparently wasn't a aspiration of any other car company prior. Fool is okay, so I'll stop there.

pebell | 21 September 2013

+1 Benz. It seems that ever since Tesla owners became TSLA shareholders, Elons dream of bringing about the start of the end of the ICE Age is being replaced by a dream that all ICE companies roll over and file bankruptcy, and Tesla is the only company left that has a solid monopoly on manufacturing EVs for the entire planet, because no one else could catch up to their lead. I'm exaggerating, of course, but you get the idea.

The fact that two of the largest automakers in the world publicly announce an ambition to become big players in the EV marketplace, is the best news this planet has received this year, IMHO, and about the first solid piece of evidence I have that Elon's Master Plan is working..

And now I guess I'll crawl in a hole with my security blanket until I finally pick up my MS this monday afternoon in Tilburg. :)

Benz | 23 September 2013

GM and VW are big players in the automotive industry. They have to show some ambition. They cannot say that they are not able to compete with Tesla Motors (even if that actually is the truth).

jonlivesay | 23 September 2013

Tesla small,robust and fluid ability to change and adapt. GM and VW, large,slow and unable to move swiftly on anything. Best of luck to all other car companies, we need more EV's out in the wild, not just drawing board.

Supercharging stations are a huge deal. Because Tesla has a car that can use them. Easy to duplicate? Ask Tesla about that, they might have a different answer than easy.

Big companies playing catch up are going to have a hard time, not undoable just need shift in emphasis. Again good luck to them.

David Dennis | 23 September 2013

@Omar and @neech - One thing you might not realize (or at least many others might not) is that the current automotive sales model is based on dealerships, and dealerships make most of their money out of service departments. Profit margins on actual car sales are so squeezed that they are basically not a profit center.

So enter a Model S style car that costs under $600 a year to service, and you pretty much kill off your dealers.

I wonder if this is a big reason why the Volt, the new Cadillac and even the new Audi is a hybrid - dealers will really suffer if Model S style cars get popular ...

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ENGINEER | 23 September 2013

I don't see a single reason why any person who would be able to purchase an ELR would with the Model S on the market. for 10k more the S wouldn't fail in attracting anyone looking to purchase a vehicle over 60k. Tesla should have a very special event for potential ELR customers...

GDH | 23 September 2013

Nobody is going to make an EV with a 200 mile range just yet, batteries are still to expensive.

Benz | 24 September 2013

All over the planet people are doing research on battery technology. In a few years time (2018?) they will find ways to produce a battery pack that can give an EV a 200 mile range. Tesla Motors (JB Straubel) is doing some research as well. Will they improve their battery pack as well? Yes of course they will.

Brian H | 24 September 2013

All real EVs already have 200 mile range.

mal42north | 24 September 2013

By the time these chaps get their act together and design viable cars, they will have no choice but to license the supercharger technology and ink a deal with Tesla to have their cars use the supercharger network. Of course either the car owner or the manufactured would have to pay Tesla for this privilege, making the supercharger network into a nice little profit center.

Benz | 24 September 2013

@mal42north

That's indeed a very strategic question. What you say is very well possible, but we cannot say that for sure yet. Ones the Supercharger network will be there (end 2015), what will the reaction be of other car manufacturers? Will they knock on the door of Tesla Motors? Or are they too stubborn or too proud to do that? I really wonder what will happen.

michael1800 | 24 September 2013

@AR - Tesla already licenses its technology to competitors. While it's not the only goal, EV proliferation is one of the main goals. Seriously, this isn't a hidden or obscure fact. 2 of 3 strategic goals of the company are in pretty plain language and directly address TM's intentions.

michael1800 | 24 September 2013

Ack...mistake: one strategic goal, two of three points directly address the intent of proliferation by other than its own production.

Brian H | 24 September 2013

benz;
Tsk, tsk. Ones, again. Bad boy. Once is enough.

evpro | 24 September 2013

I heard that GM's Master Plan is to buy up all Model S's and crush them in the desert - problem solved.

Seriously, the best part of 1/2 way efforts and compliance cars is that they demonstrate the advantages and whet people's appetite for a real EV.

Red Sage ca us | 18 February 2016

Even more full belly chuckles from yesteryear... Enjoy!

BUMPITUP.

renwo S alset | 18 February 2016

A blast from the past. Nothings changed.

rlwrw | 18 February 2016

Remember, Tesla allows manufacturers of viable electric vehicles to use Tesla patents.
Other companies have no excuse for not making a vehicle as good as or pretty darn close to a Tesla.
If they come up way short of a Tesla, they will get slammed for poor quality...End of line.
Tesla continues to take out patents in order to keep patent trolls, (ICE mfgs.) from locking up the technologies.

Pungoteague_Dave | 19 February 2016

Tesla's offer to share patents was a offer with no (zero) meaning. It was a marketing statement - they knew no one would take them up on it because the patents are largely about packaging and have little useful for the next generation of EV's. They did NOT offer use of the fast charging technology, which is the only real game-changer that could be useful for other manufacturers. Tesla execs have made oblique statements about selling Supercharging capability to other manufacturers for a per-car fee, but they were also not seen as serious and the concept isn't viable for bigger manufactures.

Haggy | 19 February 2016

What has changed since then is that VW came out with a fully electric car. I know somebody who has one, I've seen it, but haven't driven it. I don't know why I never see anything in the press about it. I'll need to take it for a drive at some point. The owner has driven my car.

inconel | 19 February 2016

What car is it, the Golf-e?

inconel | 19 February 2016

What car is it, the Golf-e?

TeslaTap.com | 19 February 2016

@PD - I've read quite a few of the Tesla patents and very few are design patents. They have a lot of technology that they have patented. Everything including cooling systems, safety designs, audio, communications, robotics, dual motor controls, etc. All of this is very useful in any EV or in the manufacturing of EVs.

Now very little of the software has been patented or made available to others. This is a huge advantage for Tesla that any other maker will have to write from scratch. Can be done, but not easy or quick. Most car companies farm out software to other OEMs. They might do some of the engine management software in-house (not very useful in an EV), but have little expertise beyond it. These extra layers often make the development quite slow and often introduce bugs that take forever to get fixed.

TeslaTap.com | 19 February 2016
inconel | 19 February 2016

Thanks. What's the range of that Golf? I could not find directions it on the Web page. Strange.

inconel | 19 February 2016

I meant I could not find it directly on the Web page.

Madatgascar | 19 February 2016

It's right there on the front page - 83 miles.

inconel | 19 February 2016

Ah right not sure how I could have missed it earlier.
If I were in the market for one today I think the new Volt with 53 miles battery-only would be a better choice, or "soon" the Bolt or Model 3 of course! VW needs to deliver a much better product than this. The Budd-e looks promising, too bad it is only a concept.

Al1 | 20 February 2016

It is impossible to measure benefits from Tesla opening its patents. Nobody will admit they've used others patents while promoting things of their own off course. And while I have no doubt in big car makers engineering teams' capabilities there are many others, - Chinese, Indians even Croatians, trying to jump on electric car bandwagon.

I would not discount benefits for big car makers either however. There is always risk of picking up wrong direction and wasting many years. The benefits are clearly there, but there is always pride, prejudice, bureacratie, politics and what not. All those reasons that make big organizations incapable of innovation from within.

Red Sage ca us | 20 February 2016

The Toyota Corolla, Ford Focus, and Volkswagen Golf are all cars that sell in the range of 1,000,000 units per year worldwide. Of those, only the Corolla is not offered with a fully electric version. Please note that there is no Honda Civic or Chevrolet Cruze that is fully electric either. I applaud Ford and Volkswagen for at least making the attempt, even if in each case it was with a sub-100 mile range EV with a nigh 100% purchase penalty over the base ICE versions, and fast DC charging is 'optional'.

jordanrichard | 20 February 2016

I have not seen the Focus EV, but I have seen and sat in a Golf-E and like Red Sage said, kudos to VW for creating it. Granted here in the states it is a compliance vehicle, but my kudos is for not making the car look outlandish. Just the blue "highlights" give away that there is something a bit different about the car. Certainly a helluva lot better than a BMW i3.

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