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Supercharger announcement pushed to next week. Something else this week.
Let the speculation begin!
swapping? minimal infrastructure requirements? Tell me what you're drinking, so I can avoid it.
@shs I agree wholeheartedly. I won't step foot in a Walmart. The Walton family are parasitic billionaires that seem content to take financial advantage of their employees and relish in squashing small businesses in the area. I also would never use a charger in their lot. Now if there were chargers in Target lots I would happily use them.
The Waltons from Wikapedia:
Collectively, the Waltons control over 48% of the company, and are worth a combined total of $115.7 billion (as of March 2013), valuing them as the wealthiest family in the world.
In 2011 six members of the Walton family have the same net worth as the bottom 30% of American families combined.
They could probably afford to pay their employees a living wage with health care. Costco does and they seem to be doing fine. I would love to see any sort of charger at Costco.
Tesla wants people to lose their fear of owning an electric car and "running outta juice" in the middle of nowhere. To shed that fear, SuperCharging stations need to proliferate. The goal of 100 of them in the U.S. by 2015 is a very modest goal.
A better goal would be to build out a network along America's major interstates at ~120 mile intervals. I-5 would be a logical choice out west and I-95 out east with others including I-10 being built. To make sense for Tesla, they will need to be interstates connecting major population centers so sorry but there won't be any connecting Denver to Boise for example :)
I have followed the forum for a very long time and have held my tongue on many issues, but I can't pass up the chance to impart some first person knowledge.
My partner and I both work for Walmart and we will receive our MS 85 next week.
Based on the slanderous comments above, it would seem surprising to many commenters that we could afford such a 'luxury'. The reality, though, is:
- Walmart pays us more money than we could have ever hoped to make as young professionals in Arkansas
- our company provided health insurance is the most comprehensive and inexpensive insurance that we have ever had (for example: FREE heart transplants at Mayo Clinic; should we ever need one)
- our cost of living is lower because of the savings we achieve by shopping at Walmart
In other words, Walmart is large reason that we CAN afford a Tesla.
For those that truly care to educate themselves on real retail, MANY independent studies have shown that Walmart's presence in a market frequently drives down prices everywhere. Google it! Those low prices bring in over 200 million customers each week. So to the original comment--Walmarts would be GREAT places to install chargers.
In addition, I believe that Walmart produces more solar electricity than any other commercial entity... and by the way many of those solar panels were installed by Solar City. And OUR sustainability efforts are increasingly lauded as industry-leading.
Its a shame that Walmart haters have taken to this forum to voice their 'opinion'.
The reality is that I love my job, my employer and will soon love my Model S that I can afford thanks to Walmart. By the way, ours will be the third Model S at our office....that's right THREE in a town of 36,000 people.
I am sure that my comments will 'stoke the fire' but I do hope that we can discuss Walmart in other venues and simply go back to pleasant exchanges about our revolutionary cars.
+1 twice rtmurph3 -- thanks for telling the other side of the story!
WalMart provides free heart transplants! I'll bet they even cover all the costs if you're struck by lightning too!
+1 rtmurph3 -- I shop at Walmart twice a week and think it would be an excellent choice for charging
stations. It is a shame the way people characterize the typical shopper and I think it is unfair. I will be proud to park at any Walmart and just so you know I paid cash for my car.
Any company that reinvented distribution and saved consumers hundreds of billions of dollars is bound to have upset folks who made money off a very large markup.
Every time the world changes to something better, the legacy players get disrupted.
Teslas is now doing this to the auto industry, and thank god it's starting.
No one wants to see old-fashioned retailers, or car makers lose money or jobs. That's certainly not the goal. But if things are to get better, each player must advance how they do business. Knowing that at least one competitor is on a new and better track is the incentive for the others to follow suit.
Walmart did this in retail, Tesla is doing it in cars. And all of us consumers get a higher standard of living because of them.
Please don't hate the innovators.
We need them.
Do you and your partner work at one of the stores or at the corporate offices? From what I understand, only those working at corporate get health insurance and the store employees earn just enough to still qualify for Medicaid (certainly not the same healthcare). If the facts prove otherwise, please enlighten us.
I park only in end parking spaces or near the periphery of any parking lot to avoid door dings. It doesn't matter if it is Walmart or Nieman Marcus. I would be glad to see charging stations at Walmart because they are everywhere, have clean restrooms, usually a Subway sandwich shop (or similar), groceries, pharmacy, etc. I shop there frequently for the inexpensive items they sell. I know several people who work there for extra family income (not as the primary provider of a family) and they appreciate the work (esp in this economy). None of them are on food stamps and everyone I know has health insurance through their spouses or parents (including my 16 yo son who makes more than min wage stocking shelves. Gotta love capitalism - it's what has made this country great.
Obviously there are some who do well at Walmart and others do OK because they get health insurance elsewhere, but when 80% of employees are on government subsidies that is a problem. Food stamps are Medicaid are supposed to be a safety net, not part of a corporate strategy to externalize costs. Call it what you want, innovation, capitalism whatever, it is not good. And then there are the factory “workers” overseas, which is another sad part of the Walmart story.
You can look at it that way I suppose. But I do not think working for Walmart has put them on food stamps.
Another perspective is that Walmart gives more jobs to those who most need one.
In a free market, no one would stay at Walmart if their alternates were superior.
They needed that job and Walmart delivered.
I said in another (edited) post a week or more ago:
I'd like to throw my two cents into this discussion regarding Walmart stores and supercharger locations. It seems to me Tesla, Solar City, and Walmart would all benefit by leveraging and expanding their existing relationship outside of California. Walmart will directly benefit from solar panel installations, as will Solar City (both initially and later with spent Tesla batteries). Tesla purchases & supplies those batteries, probably lowering their unit cost with the increased volume. Since Solar City (and Elon Musk) has an already strong relationship with Walmart, the time from site selection to finished product would be minimized, e.g., no bureaucratic red tape, corporate posturing, etc. This would be key to quick and widespread SC distribution.
As noted, Walmarts are often located within short driving distances of major arteries, like I-75 and I-95 in FL. Many are open 24/7, all have public bathrooms and some either a McDonalds or Subway inside. They are always well-lit with good security day and night, and almost always will have plenty of available space for multiple SC installation. Unlike shopping malls, most people don't spend hours shopping at Wal-Marts, thus helping to minimize SC wait times. Shopping malls tend to take much longer. Although I realize some owners routinely avoid Wal-Marts, who among us couldn't find something to do in there (or at one of the nearby stores or restaurants for 30 minutes on a long-distance trip? I too believe superchargers should usually be placed between major cities as range extenders and should not be relied upon for day-to-day charging.
MIke Duke, CEO of Walmart, says his goal for Walmart is to use 100% alternative energy sources, resulting in $1 Billion in energy savings. I'd like to see Solar City further that goal and see TM customers enjoy a spinoff benefit.
nothing against walmart, its just not where I want to spend 40 minutes when traveling, a nice chain restaurant would be better, IMHO.
When I am traveling I do not want to be chained to any chain - I need variation. No chain restaurant please !
All Walmart cares about is cheap product from overseas.
Relax folks, it's not going to be all or nothing. If you can't stand smiling at a greeter and saving money, keep driving to the next charger at the X Factory Outlet or Y highway rest area. The synergies between the two companies are obvious. The simple fact remains that if every company committed funds proportionally to as many initiatives as Walmart does, the world would be considerably better off. A small sampling:
@Amped - not only Walmart... everybody is doing it only because of the US tax policy.
Here is how it is done: produce a high value part in the US and send it at cost to foreign assembly. Profit you realize in the foreign country - that country give you special tax treatment and the US doesn't tax you. When foreign country says you tax deal is expired you pack your factory and move it to another country ( I moved the same factory from the US into country A, then B and then C every time the special foreign tax treatment expired ).
The strange thing about the US tax code is that as an individual if you make $100 in interest oversees then it is fully US taxed ( only country in the world ) and you can only deduct the foreign taxes paid.
Cheap labor may play a role in clothing etc, but not in high tech factories. None of the factories overseas I was involved in made ever a product at lower cost then in the US... worst case was China production cost almost doubled, however the tax advantage is huge compared to production cost.