Time To Build Europe

Time To Build Europe

S12 (EU) got his Time To Build email today and configured right away
Expected Delivery: 06./07.2013
Wondering when to expect my TTB-email
P1435 (EU)

glaserud | 19 February 2013

@martijn, @julius
If I get mine in aug/sep, I'll be... fairly happy. I was really hoping for june, to get a bit of summer out of it, but as long as it's not winter when I get it I'll settle. :)

My rudimentary excel forecast also suggests March-ish for spesification, but the source data is a bit sparse.

Brian H | 19 February 2013

Not in polite society. It has a very close sound to a very rude English name-calling word.

ghillair | 19 February 2013


If your 600 / month is accurate, I have no way of knowing. You may want to redo your estimate including a cancellation factor. I think it is resaonable to figure 10 to 20% cancels. Some after pricing was announced others that move to a model X reservation

martijn | 20 February 2013


TM actually told me planning to produce 100-150/week. Making that a 125/week = 550/month
Considering an estimated 10% cancelation, my schedule works fine.

I should have said in my previous post: production for P1-P600 will take approximately a month, and so on.

Ojee99 | 20 February 2013

Ah, than my 28xx is worthless for delivery in 2013 I guess.....
(We Dutch want it to bed elivered in '13 since in '14 taxes on electric cars go up....)

jeroens | 20 February 2013

In Antwerp they said to factor about 11 months after order (EU) and they are aware of the tax situation in the Netherlands...

HP | 26 February 2013

Dear dutchmen,

Is the Martijn following this threat also the Martijn who sells his S reservation on Marktplaats? For anyone being afraid NOT to got his car before 2014, this is a solution.

I have my dutch S finalized yet.

martijn | 27 February 2013

@Julius, pokker?? Sounds nasty, but a smiley; happy/not happy?
@Ojee99: that will be close, but might be just in time. My Timetable is just a guess.
@HP, Sell my res.?? No way!!
I "just" got a regular res. On marktplaats (Dutch eBay ) is a Sig res. Quite tempting.
Think I'll just wait a few more months
BTW, I thougt TM doesnt support selled's

Car-El | 28 February 2013

@martijn: It is, in Norwegian language, a not-to-bad bad-word. Not so much in use today. So a smiley will be more like: I am happy, but I don't like it.

AND! Some one whit #1273 have been in contact whit TM.... So now I am happy, but confused!
If this is true and whit 100 cars/week it can be 12-13 weeks until I may sett my car in order.

jeroens | 28 February 2013

Anyone had a new time to configure/build request?

Hoped to see more/later numbers pop up :)

Brian H | 28 February 2013

Heh. Hey, Julius, move the "h" around in "with". "Whit" does exist in English, but it means a tiny amount.

glaserud | 28 February 2013

Give him a break, Brain.

Julius: "AND! Some one whit #1273 have been in contact whit TM.... So now I am happy, but confused!
If this is true and whit 100 cars/week it can be 12-13 weeks until I may sett my car in order."

This is just P1273 being moved to a vacant Sig-number. You sign up for a waiting list and pay the additional 200k-ish NOK for the spot if one becomes available (a Sig cancels or moves to the normal production series). He has not been contacted for finalization. I've not seen any over Sig 300 doing so yet.

ken | 28 February 2013


#P1273 here - Totally correct - moved to a Sig-number and transfered the payment today. Will repost new sig# when Tesla have received my payment (by monday or tuesday), and will keep you all informed afterwards.

So far delivery window is estimated to July/August, however this could change slightly. Will know more when I have configured - which will be an easy and quick task. Going for Sig Red, Tan, CF, Pano and 21" grey.

jeroens | 28 February 2013

For a little Poker, my guess is you will get Sig# 415 :)

avanherk | 28 February 2013

Dear All, I have received first confirmation on my upgrade to Signature and received #416 this morning after payment yesterday.
Very happy whit this new sequence. Invitation for configuration will be within a few weeks and Tesla has a temporary stop of two or three weeks planned in sending invitations.
Kind regards

jeroens | 28 February 2013


Thanks for the info/stats...

avanherk | 28 February 2013

Thanks Jeroens, I am very excited about this upgrade you can imagine.

jeroens | 28 February 2013


More than you can imagine. I upgraded too Signature #412 :)

Brian H | 28 February 2013

What "break"? Helping a Norwegian use a common English word is not an attack. MYOB.

deraaij | 1 March 2013


I got upgraded! Now Signature #411 :-)

glaserud | 1 March 2013

deraaij: Congratulations. When did you apply for the upgrade?

deraaij | 1 March 2013

glaserud: I put myself in august on the waiting list (16th) and got the call friday 22 feb, and my number on wednesday (27 feb).

glaserud | 1 March 2013

Sounds like me putting myself on the list today is a bit futile, but hey, doesn't hurt.

Norbert.Vienna | 1 March 2013

does this mean that all EU signature reservation holders have been invited to configure up to now
either accepted or canceled their reservation as siganture reservation holder
number S411 S415 got their chance to get on the list and soon to configure the car

fishtank | 1 March 2013

@Norbert.Vienna - You can't conclude that way. I think Signature reservation holders are downgrading to a production MS even before they are invited to configure. Partly to avoid paying extra for less, partly because it seems production cars are delivered very close to the signatures.

During the Get Amped tour in Copenhagen last weekend Esben Pedersen, Director of Tesla in Scandinavia told the crowd that the delays in getting the approvals in place for the EU model would only affect the first deliveries. After that production for Europe will ramp up even faster so later reservation holders would not be affected by the delay.

ken | 1 March 2013

I found #419 on 'my tesla'

GeirT | 1 March 2013

@ glaserud

Did the same early January. Got message that the list was long, but as you say, doesn't hurt.

"Jeg har nå satt deg opp på ventelisten for Model S Signature. Ventelisten er relativt lang, så jeg tror ikke det vil åpne seg noe opp, men hvis det skjer, vil vi ta kontakt med deg."

Jackie425 | 1 March 2013

Have the Belgian Sig's started to configure yet ? I read that they had been delayed awaiting the setup of Tesla in Belgium. Anyone from Belgium reading this ?

Jovano | 1 March 2013

@ Jackie.Hale : Belgium Sig #80 no configuration yet ;-(

Car-El | 1 March 2013

@Brian H: Thanks! :-) I shall try to remember

Jackie425 | 1 March 2013

Thanks and that sorry you have to wait so long.
Maybe the EU Sig waiting list game isn't over next week ;-)

Jackie425 | 1 March 2013

I wish we could edit our submissions. When I now read what I wrote it doesn't seem to be what I thought I wrote !

jbunn | 2 March 2013

To our friends outside the United States.... We are very happy for you to begin receiving delivery. It's been a long wait for many of us, and some of you folks have been on the list even longer.

If it makes you feel better, it's worth it. You'll love the car.

from a happy 60 owner

glaserud | 2 March 2013

jovano / jackie.hale: I've seen one belgian spec invite over at (287). If you at 80 haven't gotten an invite, it might be about time to give Tesla a call?

FYI, this is my current list of specification invitation sightings:

Date Sig# Country
21.01 84 D
22.01 5 CH
24.01 12
25.01 147 CH
29.01 2
31.01 4 N
31.01 45 DK
31.01 52 N
31.01 60 N
01.02 46 S
02.02 37 NL
03.02 85
05.02 66 N
07.02 289 D
08.02 76 N
10.02 118 N
11.02 268
13.02 249 NL
14.02 280 N
14.02 283 NL
14.02 287 B
14.02 289
15.02 137 NL
28.02 344

Jackie425 | 2 March 2013

@glaserud: Wow what a list. You are serious ;-)

I believe that Sig 287 was asked because TM thought he wanted to register his car in the Netherlands. But he wanted to register it in Belgium so as far as I know he is still waiting.

Also I think I have seen Sig #418 as the highest number so far this week. They were someone who posted and who was luckly to get a place via the EU Sig waiting list.

If these numbers are right this means we have to wait for approx. 82 more EU Sigs to be contacted plus those in Belgium to know if there are any more who are lucky to come from the EU Sig waiting list.

Jackie425 | 2 March 2013

Revise that - I just saw #419 post.
They came from the EU Sig wait list.

Aah all this waiting is getting to me...I think I will go talk to my ducks. I need some fresh air ;-)

glaserud | 2 March 2013

Isn't #419 the number on the signature queue that was given to one on the wait list? I didn't read that as that he had gotten a specification invite...

Brian H | 2 March 2013

Heh. Timo once wrote, "I didn't quite mean what I tried to say." I'm still chasing that one round my skull.

arnebjarne | 2 March 2013

Ah, finally something is happening! I ordered the production model in October 2011, European p536. That was a miscalculation. I have regretted ever since that I didn´t order a Sig. Then they were sold out before I got around to upgrade..

Somtime around Christmas 2012 I got fed up and signed in on the signature waiting-list. 3 days ago I got THE CALL! The money is sent. I have not yet received the production number, but I will keep you all informed. Its getting closer every day.

Jackie425 | 2 March 2013

@arnebjarne: congratulations. Do you know what number you had in the waiting list ? I ask as I had put my name down in October 2012 and I was told last week there were still about 20 people before me :-(

jeroens | 2 March 2013

20 on the list I would say your chances or not too bad...
I would contact Tesla and ask how many still are before you... (might help as well ;)

Brian H | 2 March 2013

Your best hope is to promote the green, blue or brown or Sunset Red colours, to tempt Sig reservers to switch. ;D

arnebjarne | 2 March 2013


I honestly don´t know what number I was on that waiting list. I signed on to the list just a little before xmas I believe, but I called it in, for once I didn´t write a mail about it, so I am hard pressed as to give you an exact date.. However, I do not think it was before October. Or was it? I wish I had a cellphone with unlimited memory on previous numbers, but I don´t. I second jeroens on the "call to nag a little" - philosophy. It probably won´t hurt much, i guess. The next time I talk to my ´handler´I will ask about the number and post it here.

d.bijl | 2 March 2013

Interesting. I signed up on the Sig waiting list just after it sold out. Back then I was told I was number 28 on the waiting list. That was days after they started the waiting list.

No calls up to know.

Between hearing about the waiting list (then at 4 people) I made my regular reservation asap. When I got confirmation the waiting list had already gone wild.

Maybe the waiting list invite is also country dependent? (TM trying to spread their sig as much as possible to get optimal exposure all over Europe?)

For now not sure I actually want the Sig. The only viable reason to want the Sig is the white leather option.
Not even sure I want the model S at all. Still some safety and ergonomics issues to consider. 10 min test drives do not really tell you whether this car will be confortable for a 1.95 tall guy on a 1h:15m daily commute (if 10 min drive could at all be considered to be a 'test drive')

arnebjarne | 3 March 2013


Well, maybe your original spot in the line counts? I am EU p536, ordered the production model in sept 2011.

As to whether the MS sig is wanted, I just say; 500 of these are sold in Europe. Whatever happens to TM company, the electric car revolution, whatever; this is going to be a major collectors item down the road. If you are afraid of car depreciation buy a signature.

I also only got to spend 10 minutes driving the car, I am also 194 cm, by the way (really long back, medium legs), and my main concern was head room. If you get the panoramic roof option this is not a problem. I cannot sit in the back, though.. I tried out seating positions for more than 30 min in the store in the display model. I am also concerned about safety issues and ergonomics, but so far nobody in the community has complained much about this. I guess I will have to live with it the way it is. I was really disappointed by the lack of electronic gadgets, though. No automatic dimmer of headlights, no adaptive bixenon, no blind-spot warning, no parking sensors, the wipers are crap with mediocre adjustment possibilities, the fan is noisy, no floor mats, bad rear visibility. Also I am not able to order a blue sig? WTH IS that? Minor details, though, when push comes to shove.

sethvandermeer | 3 March 2013

I reserved my MS a month ago, nr2853, have not gotten the chance to drive it. I will at least be able to see and feel one coming Friday at the Geneva Motor Show.

The Model S delivery thread is gone for US deliveries, maybe because people started to notice that sequence numbers did not relate to delivery times anymore. I have the feeling (educated guess) that the sequence number in Europe will not mean much either. It makes no sense to ship cars out of the US (and later from The Netherlands) in order of reservation. Logistics work against this logic. First one ship load of X cars, then a truck or trainload of X to Norway, Switzerland or Spain. If X where 1, then the costs will be extremely high. They will be sent in batches, maybe having P1 to 250 on one ship, but even that will probably not be the case, as we saw with US deliveries following a sequence that seemed "similar spec" based. Then in The Netherlands they will fill up a truck to Belgium or a train to Switzerland.

But maybe I am all wrong and they will be sent by one of Elon's spaceships ;-)

sethvandermeer | 3 March 2013


I am 1.92' hope to find a comfortable position behind the wheel. Even though I regret the parking sensor omission and other standard luxury options, I do see advantages this car has over luxury cars. My current Lexus had almost all I could wish for 5 years ago, but no wit feels like an aged car. Have to pay 400 euro for a navigation update, my iPhone has limited integration, Lexus won't let me use the nav when I drive, and boy, what a huge center console, my wife is sitting miles away from me :-)

With the software upgrade capabilities, I suspect the car can stay fresh longer, having the option to integrate new tech, adding new driving features, maybe even improve the car's performance over the next 5 years. No other luxury car has that, and that feels as huge plus for me.

So I guess I will have to learn to park properly again, just like in my old 1977 Volvo 245 ;-)

Jackie425 | 3 March 2013

Thanks everyone for the helpful posts.
I will get on the phone tomorrow and let you know what I find out.

d.bijl | 3 March 2013


My position in the queue is P1076 (and 28 on the Sig waiting list?)

Of course the cars are not delivered in sequency for all kinds of obvious reasons. But one would expect that customers are contacted in queue order to find out what car they would actually like to order. After that, delivery will depend on configuration and other production and logistics issues.

For the tall guys among us, these ar my most important ergonomics issues:
1. If the seat is put in it highest position (not physical position bu just before your head hits the roof and/or you are still able to look thru the windshield), the safety belt is too low to fit nicely over your shoulder. It turns out to be just on the edge of your shoulder or even below. A huge safety issue as far as I am concerned.
This can only be overcome by lowering the seat making the seat less comfortable and ergonomic.
2. Becauase of the non existing mid-console you cannot rest your leg against is. Or if you just hit the corner of the screen it is likely to become painful after a while.
3. Limited adjustability of the seat (they should have taken BMW as an example). Length of leg-rest and non adjustable head rest (safety) being the most important issues.

However, still wanting to convince myself to buy this (sub-optimal) car.

sethvandermeer | 3 March 2013


Thanks for your insights, very helpful. I will try it out Friday.

I know it is not in all aspects the perfect car, but that is with all cars, they are made to fit an average person in the respective target group (both in size as well as in budget).

I am still convinced to buy, but mainly for innovative and, above all, financial reasons. I love my Lexus and was tempted to buy the new GS450h, but operational costs are getting too high. As you might know (I assume your Dutch or Dutch speaking) the fiscal regime in the Netherlands is very positive. So it is a "now or never" for me. I might even like the Model X better, but that will surely be delivered in 2014. With the S I have a chance of getting it in 2013.