So who has cancelled and why?

On the fence now that configurng time is here.

BYT | December 22, 2012

I might ask why you are on the fence? I can tell you that even thought the car is expensive, it is worth double what I paid for it IMHO. It's the most exciting purchase and one of the few that I didn't have buyers remorse over.

riceuguy | December 22, 2012

Motoring, have you test driven yet? I would never rationally consider a car at this price, nor would I consider an electric car something practical, but after a test drive, I can't imagine NOT getting the car.

iholtzman | December 22, 2012

I got my car on Monday and it is absolutely incredible. No remorse at all and I smile everytime I drive by a gas station. The thing that blew me away the most is the way the car drives and handles. You will not regret it!

Captain_Zap | December 22, 2012

It's strange...
The car feels so special when I drive it. It makes me think that it might just start glowing in the dark or levitate or something.

I'm still in the afterglow phase. My one month delivery anniversary was yesterday.

BYT | December 22, 2012

@Captain_Zap, I have officially had mine for a month as well as of yesterday! :)

nwdiver93 | December 22, 2012

I do have one regret... that I waited until Jan 2012 to reserve!!

cmlaff | December 22, 2012

It's the electromagnetic energy coming up between our legs giving us all the tinglies. That's why we're addicted.

BYT | December 22, 2012

But I don't even feel my cell phone vibrating in my pocket! :D

Captain_Zap | December 22, 2012

Happy Anniversary BYT!

Robert22 | December 22, 2012

You remember that girl that got away? Well....;)

One week anniversary and as someone else here said, I'm still driving it like I stole it.

Brian H | December 23, 2012

To poach Steve Goodwin's lyrics, "Ride Telsa's magic carpet, Made of aluminum."

Ya, I know it doesn's scan so good, but the image works!

Brian H | December 23, 2012

typo: it doesn't scan...

Koz | December 23, 2012

I can't imagine why one would have been wiling to deposit $5000 a while ago but not willing to move forward unless their financial condition is not where they assumed it would be. Model S has been winning award after after award and received glowing reviews from every direction even ones that are typically anti-EV. Production has ramped up and to my knowledge, the bugs have been relatively few and minor. Tesla now has super chargers in place and plans to quickly build out many more. They have opened more service centers and continue to do so. They had a successful follow on offering and have reasonable operating cash with the bulk of the cash intensive, big ramp up items behind them. Their reservation rate has skyrocketed.

In short, they have executed very, very well on nearly every goal that was publicized and even some that were not. I am curious, with others posting here, why would you be considering not finalizing at this time?

Electric Machete | December 23, 2012

There was a time when I was on the fence as well. It is new technology and the performance model that I reserved was more expensive than anything I had considered before. A few months back there were fewer tech features that were not yet available and no certainty that they would be employed (auto extending handles, voice commands, OTA updates, etc.). Driving the car helped seal the deal for sure, but watching how quickly and efficiently Tesla has been updating the software and enhancing capabilities has really reassured me that I made the right decision to sign the MVPA. I have no regrets since.

cancerfixer | December 23, 2012

Started with the 150 mile model reservation 3 years ago. When the colors were announced I changed to the Signature Red. It has now been 2.5 months since #218 was delivered to my door. EVERY single day 2-3 people walk up to me as I get out of the car & ask "What is it?" - Tesla.... "Who makes it?" - Tesla.... "What's a Tesla? - a 100% electric car... "How far does it go?.... 300 miles per charge.... "Wow - They can do that? I thought it was a Ferrari - cool looking, great car!".... The best part is when I open the "Frunk" to show them the "engine" that isn't there. Eyes pop open every time... The "What's a Tesla?" question is less frequent since the car of the year award, but it still happens once in a while. Mostly it's just enthusiasts who are happy to get to see one up close. Last week some guy pulled next to me at a red light, cell phone camera clicking away, & gave me the 2 thumbs up. Never spent this much for a car before - never will again. But you only live once. What a feeling! It was worth every penney spent. Just finalize the purchase. You will NEVER regret it.

Motoring | December 23, 2012

Hey BYT, Good question. Folks, I'm sold on the car and the technology - no question about it. I guess I gave the wrong impression - it is more about do I go for it now & believe me that is so darn easy to want to do. The prudent investor side says 'hold on.' This company is new & even though everyone (it sure seems) is amped, what if I wait a year or two when the car will be even better and just as importantly Tesla's financial issues are clearer and the uncertainty about it as a going concern is resolved. True the car is a lot of money - it's not so much about that as it is prudent investment and timing. I've driven the car & it is a 'gas' - bad pun but there you are. I'm sold on the cart -- timing is the thing.

Discoducky | December 23, 2012

Best thing I could tell you is that the Model S is a 1st iteration car that can be updated to a Nth iteration car over WiFi. There isn't much that can't be updated over-the-air. TM has put all the tech in the car it just needs to be lit-up.

Captain_Zap | December 23, 2012

What kept me on board when I questioned my judgement was the Roadster owners and their confidence. Listening and to their experiences with their cars and Tesla Motors gave me all the information and consolation I needed.

They were very well supported and got great service. There was no one else that had more confidence in Tesla Motors' capabilities and committment to making their car awesome and keeping them awesome than the Roadster owners. They are a bunch of really sharp folks that are eager to teach and share.

They are the ones that kept me going when all I had to go on was a brochure, a web page, TMC, a glimpse of a Beta and Elon Musk's vision. Even after seeing the shortcomings of the Betas it was the Roadster owners that confidently reassured us that Tesla would make things right and then some more. I still run on that faith and confidence and I have found that it feels good for a change.

I have not had a single moment of buyer's remorse. I have had bugs with my car but I have no doubts that Tesla will fix them until the car is perfect. I will have an even more spectacular car with every update. It is almost like getting a new car every month. The thrill lives on.

:-D <--- Tesla Grin

Enoch_Root | December 23, 2012


I think you gotta get comfortable with the plain fact that buying a mid-high end luxury auto is NEVER a good investment. A prudent investor would buy a Camry and invest the difference in something that won't depreciate 50 grand minimum over the next five years.

Investment is what got you in a position to buy it. Now, put "investment" mindset away and admit to yourself this is purchasing a consumable good, not an investment. Then decide if this is the consumable good you want to spend your investment earnings on.


Sudre_ | December 23, 2012

The only reason I would have canceled is if my current ICE died before I got my S. Luckily that date should only be a month or so away and I can rent something to cover if it happens now. I wish they had the S out last year. The service engine soon light has been on for over a year and the repairs are more than the car is worth.

Captain_Zap | December 23, 2012


Agreed. Cars are not an investment.
Never thought of a car that way and never will. That is, unless you consider paying a premium for a durable car that will have a longer life as an investment. Instead I think of it as an investment in the car and not an invesment in my portfolio or assets.

I think of collectible cars as more of a gamble or toy than an investment.

SSL161 | December 23, 2012


Worse case, it's a cool collector car (like a Tucker).

As one of those early adopters (Roadster #672), like Captain Zap has said, I had no doubtdoubt and was sold sight unseen. The only thing I regret is not ordering two Perf Sigs when I had the chance.

I also bought stock as soon as I could and intend on buying more next year. My CFP thought that I was nuts and said "you want to buy what?"

We now have three in our stable and are eagerly waiting on the X, and as soon as the Model R Reservation list starts, I'll be on it.

I also try to convert as many of my friends and family to the Tesla Way (but like any proselytizer, I some times go to far :-) )

--- Addicted to Tesla

Mark2131@CA-US | December 23, 2012

Dear Motoring,

P153 here. Three years waiting, and now I've enjoyed two weeks of exhilarating fun interrupted by one speeding ticket. Along the way I've introduced dozens of passengers to the "tesla grin".

My best advice to you if you're wavering about committing to this car is to go watch the movie "Risky Business". To quote Mr. Cruise, "Sometimes you just gotta say, "What the F@*K!" and just do it. Owning this car isn't about investment... it's about being part of the future of personal transportation. Seriously! This vehicle and what it represents (electric drive) is such a fundamental game changer that I can't imagine WHY you'd even consider changing your mind.

Commit! You won't regret it.

BYT | December 23, 2012

@Captain_Zap, Thank you and likewise!! We will have that to be thankful for every year, our Model S anniversaries! :D

olanmills | December 24, 2012

He Motoroing, I am the one who posts in other threads that I'm sure people who wait for the next version of the Model S will be getting a better car.

Why then am I taking delivery soon? The reason is because, unless Tesla deviates from their stated plans, there isn't going to be any major update to the Model S any time soon. Their next car is the Model X, and the Bluestar could be better in some ways than the Model S, but it's not that far away (2015), so I'm not sure.

If you wait 5 or maybe even 10 years, then sure I think the car will be remarkably better. But you said, "what if I wait a year or two when the car will be even better" I don't really think the Model S is will be leaps and bounds ahead. Of course, I don't know for sure. I think they could make incremental improvements, maybe even significant additions such as parking sensors and such. However, I don't think there's going to be any crazy huge improvement like a 1000 mile battery or anything like that within two years.

If you really like the car, you should go for it now.

Brian H | December 24, 2012

The 'Tesla Way'?!

Hm -- I can see you now, clad in your saffron robes, sitting behind the wheel but not touching it, and levitating the car down the freeway. Passing by lifting over the car(s) in front.

Do you take disciples?

;p <:-D

Koz | December 24, 2012


Understanding your words but still not following the logic. Certainly, Tesla is at a high risk of not making it in the long run but they are much less at risk today than they were when you reserved. They were likely producing 10-100 cars per week at that point. Now they are producing close to 400 per week. They probably had about 14,000 active reservations then and today they have about 16,500. That is a book of about $1.24B in back orders, assuming $80k average sale price less $5K reservation. This is after delivering roughly 3000 cars so far. This doesn't include contracts with Toyota and Mercedes. They are currently reserving at a faster rate than they are delivering. They have a tiny marketing budget and virtually no advertising now, imagine when they start. Access to cash is probably the biggest concern but that is much less so now than it was when you reserved. They were able to raise in significant cash in stock two stock offerings and that was when they were in a much more vulnerable and less valuable state.

Motoring | December 24, 2012

Good gravy, you all are a convincing lot. Koz, good perspective on the numbers - actually when we reserved no cars were in production, so it is true there are many more reservations after us and that is good news even accounting for some who will defer or cancel. Olanmills, you also shine a sweet light on the wait one or 2 years thinking. I agree with you Tesla will not fiddle much with the Model S hardware-wise & I do like the software upgrades that will come - new car feeling. Also Captain_Zap & Mark 2131 - very true - wrong point of view using notion this is an investment in the market sense of the word. When I get off that notion, then a whole other story. I'm moving closer -- just a few days left to do the right thing or pay $2,500 more...

SSL161 | December 24, 2012

Brian H

That's about right! :-)

dstiavnicky | December 27, 2012

Please cancel, that will move me one closer to getting my car! (LOL)

Jewsh | December 27, 2012

My wife and I have waffled a few times:

1) When we found out the 6.1% import duty would apply to the Model S, despite the fact that it is more "North American" than many supposedly domestic vehicles. As with many of you we felt that the reply by our Conservative government was a great example of cut and paste. Not very psychologically satisfying at the very least as well as being pretty dismissive. It's obvious they're not at all supportive of vehicle electrification.

2) Despite the CA dollar currently being worth 1.01 US dollars, as Canadians we are supposed to pay an additional 1-2% "country-specific" additional amount. Doesn't the 1.01 US satisfy that already? How many more times are we going to get dinged as Canadians? That said, I feel sorry for those folks in the EU and UK who are paying far more tax and many more levies, but still.

3) When we recently found out that the Ministry of Transport had not allowed the vehicles to be sold yet. I am desperate for a car and can't understand what the hold up was. Thankfully I understand we're past that now and the S' can legally be sold today.

Despite these issues we are still going ahead. I've been quite surprised how committed the wife is to going ahead. I think at this point she is motivated by spite and has (on more than one occasion) suggested parking the S' right in front of our local Conservative MP's office.

Cal Okie | December 27, 2012

I am on the fence about canceling. The main reason is that my freeway (110) has changed from a HOV freeway where the electric car would get carpool lane access to a toll road (California) that would cost an extra 400++ a month to use. I test drove the car and loved it.

GeekGirls | December 27, 2012

We hesitated as well. Not because of the vehicle's quality, which appears unimpeachable. Not out of uncertainty about Tesla, as I know several Roadster owners who are so happy with their experience that I think it's clear the company is in good hands. No, we hesitated for two reasons: one was purely financial as we just moved back to California and bought a home here in October. The other is a question of the physical size of the car. We have an awkward driveway and it took a while to convince ourselves we had a workable approach to the garage!

It's entertaining to hear about conservative roadblocks to innovation because that's one of the things that helped compel us to support Tesla. In the first presidential debate this year when Romney called the company a "loser" we knew we'd go the extra mile to ensure otherwise.

GeekGirls | December 27, 2012

... and yes, we have since taken the leap and will be picking up our Model S this weekend. I haven't had any sleepless nights just yet, but we have a few more to go.

trydesky | December 27, 2012


Is TM really taking more than 400 reservations a week? If so, that is great to hear.


I think your points are valid. Putting down a $5K reservation that was fully refundable is 0 risk. But committing to buy an $75k+ car is completely different, and it also crossed my mind that there might not be a TM there for the length of my warranty, or worse yet, my 4yr extended warranty.

That all being said, many of us who put our reservation down 2+ years ago are committed, and wouldn't change our minds even if the 12/21/12 Armageddon had happened! But I bet many reservations were never made for that very reason.

adstein | December 27, 2012

I am buying a great, green, innovative, American made car. For each of those reasons I am following through.

Jerimi | December 28, 2012

I put reservation down on 8/9/2009. I received car on 12/18/2012. It was worth the wait. I love it! I want to drive everywhere and agree to run errands at any time. This car is a dream to drive and everyone is BLOWN away when they ride in it.

Buy it, you wont regret it.

rlpm | December 28, 2012

Sigh. I was in the Santana Row store on Aug 3rd and knew I should have reserved that day! Having just reserved on Christmas, I probably won't see mine for at least six months. Sigh.

Brian H | December 28, 2012

There's hope you might see 4 or 5; production may ramp up to 3K+/mo soon, and may grow beyond that, and there are around 15K unfilled orders. The good Lord willin' an' the crik don't rise.

rlpm | December 30, 2012

@Brian: Thanks. I don't want to let my hopes get the better of reasonable expectations. But ~15k unfilled orders/reservations ahead of me sounds about right, based on the latest estimated net reservations after downgrades/cancelations/etc., reported finished VIN 3235, and subtracting a few hundred RHD reservations that won't go into production until late 2013 (UK/AU/HK, possibly JP?).

Now to get my hopes up: When the time comes, I plan on finalizing a silver performance Model S. So perhaps it can get into production just before 40kWh, standard suspension, and (new) red are added to the production line. But with those additions stated to begin in March, I shouldn't hold my breath.
While I'm waxing hopeful, perhaps jumping the line queue of 2000 or so European non-sig reservation holders could happen? ;)

RobertMontreal | December 30, 2012


I have been a reservation holder only since April. I live in Canada. There has been a lot of talk recently about the S's poor performance in snow and it is a HUGE concern for me. If you live in an area that gets snow, I'd read the various threads here and at TMC on the subject. Right now, I really don't know what to do if the finalize button appears...

DTsea | December 30, 2012

RobertMontreal, Tesla sells chains for $US80.... is that so bad?

DTsea | December 30, 2012

RobertMontreal, here is a post from an owner about chains- on 'anyone used chains yet?' thread:

Doug | DECEMBER 29, 2012
I purchased the 19 rims and snow tires from the Menlo Park Tesla Facility. I used chains last Friday when there was chain control on interstate 80. I had to put on chains or more specifically the cables on near Colfax. No problem as they fit perfectly on the 19" rims and tires and did not hit the the fender or or any parts of the body of the Model S. Car handled very well with the cables and 19" wheels.

Love the Model S and its performance in the Mountains.

Vawlkus | January 1, 2013

If you wait, thinking something better is "just around the corner", then you'll never buy anything :P
You have to decide if THIS is what you want, if what is available NOW will do what you need/want it to do. If it does, then GO GET IT! You can always trade up later :D

This is coming from a Tesla addict who laid out a financial plan to own a Tesla, and then had his plans royally screwed a year before Tesla opened the reservation lists, so take that with a grain of salt........ the size of an aircraft carrier :P

I will have a Tesla, it's just a question of which one I will pick, and when I will have it in my posession.

Brian H | January 2, 2013

no carriers. A grain is an actual measurement, an amount = about 1/15 gm.

Vawlkus | January 2, 2013

Don't make me get the rolled up newspaper Brian }BD

toto_48313 | January 3, 2013

Whatever your concerns are, the main question is do you want an electric car or not? Model S is the only real car which is electric...

Brian H | January 3, 2013

Ruff! Arf yerself! {9p