Last Signature worldwide

Last Signature worldwide

For those of us opting for the 2013 red, we have been told that they can't start using that color until they are completely done with Signature models and can swap colors in one bay. So, selfishly, I am curious to know if anyone has any idea how many Signatures were ordered outside the US and how many are left to be produced.

Brian H | December 26, 2012

None in Canada or Europe left to order; none in Canada left to produce; all wrong-hand-drive Sigs still to come (UK, Aus, etc.)

Brian H | December 26, 2012

Maybe a sufficient # of shells will be painted and set aside up front?

gregv64 | December 26, 2012

That's definitely not true. They are going to start the multicoat red in march, but won't be building the UK and Australian signatures until probably October.

Mark E | December 26, 2012

@Brian, that's RIGHT hand drive. :)

Ohms.Law | December 26, 2012

I must say I have been perplexed by this schedule also. First is was summer sometime that the red might be available. Then March. Hmmm. Are there really months of red sigs yet to produce? Of course it's wishful thinking on my part but I'm hoping to hear soon that the new red will be in production sooner than March.

Brian H | December 27, 2012

Kinda curious; will the charging ports also be positioned on the wrong hand side for the convenience of the wrong-hand drivers?

Thumper | December 27, 2012

Just visited GB in Sept, found many residents able to use both hands.

dubaty | January 3, 2013

I asked several times about the anticipated start of the 2013 red production before I deferred and was told mid-March. I just wish there was a way to monitor whether TM is on track for that schedule.

@gregv64 - Interesting about the UK and Australian sigs. If they switch color bays in March, but won't start those sigs until October, does that mean the sig red is unavailable for those customers?

Brian H | January 4, 2013

Q4 the anticipated installation of another Paint Center? That would open up a lot of options.

dubaty | January 4, 2013

@BrianH - Have you heard something about another paint bay or are you being wildly optimistic?

MB3 | January 5, 2013

When the red sigs are done they will change over to the new red

gregv64 | January 5, 2013

@MB3 - again, although that's a widely held conception it can't be true. Red starts in March, and the Australian, UK and Hong Kong sigs won't be built until about 6 months later.

MB3 | January 5, 2013

The bodies for those sigs will already be painted.

Volker.Berlin | January 5, 2013

The bodies for those sigs will already be painted. (MB3)

Do you think Tesla is going to take chances on the color choices? Hard to imagine, at least for me. Thus that would imply that right-hand drive Signatures have to finalize 6 months in advance. Pretty extreme, even for Tesla, don't you think?

Brian H | January 6, 2013

The latter. It would sure solve a lot of problems, tho'.

The sigs will be a fixed, predetermined number, and can have painted shells before they're even all sold. Stack 'em in the corner!

MB3 | January 6, 2013

Yes I think it is very likely. It is apparently non-trivial to swap paint or set up new stations. They also don't want idle bays waiting for the last sig. I have no way to do a cost analysis, but over-producing a few bodes doesn't seem out of line to me. I could be wrong, so it's just another thought.

EcLectric | January 6, 2013

Having seen the factory, I'm sure they have space for them!

Brian H | January 6, 2013

They know in advance how many Sigs they're going to sell.

MB3 | January 6, 2013

Of course. They also know the appropriate number of red, which is why they can get the painting done ahead of time without setting up new painting stations if they want.

Brian H | January 6, 2013

No, they don't really. They know exactly even before selling how many Sigs they need, but the Red orders are in flux, and climbing all the time.

gregv64 | January 6, 2013

Yeah, how could they know how many people are going to want Sig Red versus the other sig colors? They haven't even set right hand drive pricing yet, much less asked people to finalize.

MB3 | January 6, 2013

They don't need to know exactly. They can make good predictions based on existing data from Tesla and other public sources. They could paint enough to be, say, 99% sure to cover the orders. It could easily be be cheaper to paint extra bodies than set up a new paint station.

Brian H | January 7, 2013

?? Not necessary. Once you've predicted (exactly) and painted the Sig shells, the Paint Center is free to do the MCReds as needed, like any other color.

MB3 | January 7, 2013

The problem seems to be that you can't switch paints back and forth that easily and you don't want the bay sitting idle waiting for the last sig to be configured. If it is easy to switch paints, then there is no problem.

Brian H | January 7, 2013

Duh. That's the point of painting exactly the number of Sig shells you're going to need, in advance, and then switching over to the multi-coat.

Brian H | January 7, 2013

Plus a few extras, just in case of "failure to pass final inspection".

rlpm | January 7, 2013

So @BrianH, you're suggesting they paint enough sig-red shells for all the remaining signature reservation holders (± fudge factor), and scrap (probably bead-blast and recycle the aluminum) if/when those customers finalize a different color?

I think it would make better fiscal sense to require all remaining signature reservation holders to finalize by mid-March, particularly the LHD customers. This way, TM knows exactly how many sig-red bodies are needed. If they need/want to delay the RHD signature reservations from finalizing, then they could also paint enough (not necessarily 100%) sig-red bodies for the remaining RHD signature reservations, scrapping/recycling as needed.

But what about other countries not yet able to reserve? Will they not produce any signature edition cars for those potential customers? Or will they not offer signature red in those countries? Or might they contract-out painting the few hundred, at most, sig-red shells that will be ordered after the paint bay switches to the new multi-coat red? Or might they take the time to reset a paint bay for batches of sig-red as needed, then back to another color?

Or will they just bring a new paint bay online in anticipation of Model X and GenIII production, and use that for post-LHD-Euro-sig-red?

dborn | January 7, 2013

They are going to need demonstrators... So in RHD countries where sigs are not offered the additional cars could be used.

rlpm | January 7, 2013

@dborn: good point!

Brian H | January 7, 2013

Jeez! Doncha git it? TM is not waiting to determine how many people reserve the Sigs. THEY KNOW HOW MANY THEY WILL MAKE AND SELL IN ADVANCE!!!!!!!!!!!!

rlpm | January 7, 2013

@BrianH: I agree that TM knows how many signature models they will offer in each geographic location/region/country. But signature models don't have to be painted with signature red paint. So they don't know how many need to be painted red. Or am I wrong, and all signature models must be red?

gregv64 | January 7, 2013

I guess. AFAIK they haven't announced a sig limit outside of north america, and even if they have a limit I think it's far from certain UK will sell out. But more importantly, even if they know the number of sigs, they certainly don't know the number of red sigs (which is the point here). People are asking what happens to all the sig red shells when all the UK sig holders order black. You seem to assume that # of sigs = # of red sigs, unless I'm completely missing what you're saying.

spentan | January 7, 2013

@Brian H, there is no need to be upset.

Tesla still have RHD Signature Reservations available. I know that because I made one a week ago.

The fact is that the Signature Reservations do not prescribe whether they will be red or not. This is done on order finalisation.


The Signature limit for RHD vehicles have been set at 500. So its even more exclusive than the LHD Signature models :P

dubaty | January 7, 2013

Well we all seem to have been given the impression that the MC Red will begin production in March, so TM has some sort of plan. I think I will make contact at the end of this month to see if I can determine if they are sticking with that schedule. Maybe they will let slip their master plan?

Brian H | January 8, 2013

Jeez louise. I apologize. I've already forgotten the Sigs aren't all Red. Let the Nerf bat battering begin. {6-/

Ohms.Law | January 9, 2013

Brian H - thanks for the correction. I think we're all on the same page now. No nerf battering.

dubaty | February 9, 2013

Well, I tried emailing TM to get an update on the 2013 red and whether they remain on schedule for starting next month. I know that email was very low priority for them and so am not too surprised that I got no response. Does anybody have any information about the production status of European signatures?

rlpm | February 9, 2013

Euro Sigs have definitely been finalizing recently. I think I saw one report here of an estimated delivery of June. I would think multicoat Red production should start by end of March, unless they say otherwise before then.

dborn | February 9, 2013

Since RHD is still a twinkle in the eye, it cannot be said that all sigs have been completed.In Australia we will only start getting our cars in 2014. Mind you, there is no guarantee that we will be offered the USA sig Red. Who says that a different colour palette will not be offered for a different market? The option list may also be totally different by then as well as the method of ordering - such as offering the battery on a lease basis (mainly to circumvent some of our particularly onerous taxes to reduce the otherwise exorbitant cost to us here in Australia). I have, in fact emailed George on this very point, and received a reply from him, although not particularly specific. At least the seed has been planted.
Ultimately if the preproduce too many reds they can always use them as demonstrators.Or sneak them in to markets other than North America.

rlpm | February 9, 2013

Good points, dborn. They could also outsource painting a few tens of Sig Red bodies when the RHD Sigs are asked to finalize, if they don't have enough pre-painted bodies on hand.