Tesla S selected as car for High School Raffle

Tesla S selected as car for High School Raffle

The Parent Association at Garfield High School in Seattle chose the Tesla S sedan for the car to raffle to raise money for programs to improve academic achievement. Educating students is an expression of hope and optimism about the future and the Tesla represents that future. For information about raffle tickets for the March 1 drawing contact

DouglasR | January 15, 2013


I've seen a flyer on that auction, and passed it along to several friends. In fact, I'm thinking about signing up because I'm a fan of Garfield and because, well, who couldn't use another Model S?

The flyer made look like this is a pretty loaded car: 85 kWh, Tech package, Pano roof, etc. It also looks like a Performance model. Is that correct?

BYT | January 15, 2013

I hope they have their reservation in already??

Desai | January 15, 2013

Great idea and great cause! As @BYT noted - is this already something that is available that Tesla (donated or you purchased) or is this just a reservation raffle that you have to wait weeks/months to get it?

Epley | January 15, 2013

Wow! Pretty spendy item for a high school to purchase for it's auction. Since I'm local, may just buy a few tickets!

DouglasR | January 15, 2013

The car is apparently being built and will be ready by the March 1 raffle date. The expected value of the ticket purchase is pretty good for a raffle, as they are only selling a limited number of tickets (1650 I believe, but don't quote me).

Brian H | January 15, 2013

They'd have to price the tickets at $100 to make anything on that.

cprenzl | January 15, 2013

Is it wrong to want to bid from 2,100 miles away? I feel like that would be unfair to them. Lol, my best chance of getting a tesla model s loaded 1/1650 is better than none.

DouglasR | January 15, 2013

Yes, the tickets are priced at $100.

palmer_md | January 16, 2013

I bought a ticket. Great way to support the school and possibly driving away with a Model S.

cprenzl | January 16, 2013

do we just email to buy a ticket? seems worth it

DouglasR | January 16, 2013

Just email phil and he'll send you the info you need (address, whom to make the check out to, specs on the car, and I think some info on the Garfield PTSA.

Garfield is a terrific public high school, BTW. Its marine biology courses send the kids to places like the Great Barrier Reef; its jazz program has had groups performing at the Montreux Jazz Festival (Jimi Hendrix, Quincy Jones, and Ernestine Anderson are all graduates); and it has a killer basketball team.

jat | January 16, 2013

@cprenzi - if by "worth it", you mean "the expected value is more than $100", then I would say no it isn't. If you mean you are happy to donate the lost expected value for the cause, then that is subjective.

nickjhowe | January 16, 2013

Make sure you check with your accountant. You might end up with a big tax bill if you win... (but I still plan to enter)

DouglasR | January 16, 2013


Correct. Plus, the IRS generally does not consider the purchase of a raffle ticket to be charitable contribution.

Brian H | January 16, 2013

Canadian lottery and raffle winnings are tax-free. The government is satisfied with what it gets on the other end. Most big lotteries are gov't-run, so they're already "the house".

dtesla | January 17, 2013

Car specs are at The car should be ready for delivery around the day of the Raffle.

Also from Phil's e-mail:

David, You make a check out to Garfield HS PTSA Rafffle and send to me at the address below. I will send a ticket receipt in return. Thanks Phil

Phil Sherburne, 2369 Fairview Ave E, Slip #1, Seattle, WA. 98102. Phone 206.355.0834

> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:59:24 -0800
> Subject: Tesla Raffle
> From: xxxx
> To:
> I understand you are raffling a Tesla Model S to raise funds for your
> school on March 1 for $100 per ticket. My questions is "how do I purchase a ticket"?

DouglasR | January 18, 2013


phil-sherburne | January 18, 2013

I have been away from the site for a while. Thanks to others for answering questions. The answers are correct. The car will be available March 1. We encourage all buyers of tickets. Many people have purchased as a result of seeing the information on the forum. I think the odds are great for a raffle of something this expensive. Let your friends know of the opportunity. Phil Sherburne

phil-sherburne | January 18, 2013

Sorry, I did notice one thing that needs to be clarified. This is not a performance model. It is the standard 85 kwh model with the panorama roof option, the technology package, the air suspension, and leather interior. I incorrectly copied the performance specs and have since corrected those. Phil

Brian H | January 18, 2013

Shouldn't the tickets be reduced then to $94.27?

ir | January 19, 2013

How would the logistics of delivery work out? Would the winner need to travel to Seattle or the buyer meet the winner at a delivery point of winner's choosing? How would the transfer of title work? Is it a quick show stub, sign & drive or a long lineup at the DMV?

ghillair | January 19, 2013

I am retired, I will volunteer to drive the car from Seattle to the winners choice of locations. (within the 48 states).

I will pay my own expenses, including air fare to Seattle and home from destination.

I own an RV so I am know how to find RV Parks.


Robert22 | January 19, 2013

I don't know George..... retired and within spitting distance of the Canadian border? Sounds like a high risk proposition for the winner ;)

Seriously, what a generous offer. The Tesla crowd really is a cut above.

dtesla | January 20, 2013

Garfield's spec page for the car states:

Performance: Estimated Range for single charge—300 miles at 55 mph; 0-60 in 4.4 seconds; quarter mile-12.6 seconds; top speed-130 mph; peak motor power-416 hp, batter warranty-8 years; supercharging-included.

Sound like a performance MS.

Spec Page:


Cattledog | January 20, 2013

Wow - You'd be really foolish to take the $50K instead of the car...

Phil - Can the school set up online purchase of raffle tickets and accept PayPal? I think your home run would go to a grand slam if so. Could close that by 2/22 so all tickets could be mailed. Add for postage based on overnight, 2-day, or ground delivery.

Also, what happens if you sell fewer tickets than price of car? Is that a risk the school is accepting, or some generous donor?

Thanks - would actually like to buy an online ticket just to support the ingenuity of the raffle idea.

Are you OK if I post raffle info on my blog?

Robert22 | January 20, 2013

@ dtesla-

See above, Phil has apologized for the mistranscription and amended the specs on the car. The car for raffle is a production, not performance, MS.

Leofingal | January 20, 2013

I suspect they could sell all the tickets through these forums if they really wanted lol. George, if I manage to win, I might take you up on your delivery service all the way to Rochester, NY!

DouglasR | January 20, 2013

As mentioned, the car is not a Performance. It may be that Phil does not have access to correct that online spec sheet or has not gotten around to it, but he assured me that he had inadvertently copied the Performance specs.

As for not selling enough tickets: the tickets state that the PTSA reserves the right to cancel the raffle (and return the money) if they fail to sell 1000 tickets.

Still, it looks like your expected value from purchasing a $100 ticket is around $50, which is a lot better than most raffles. And it is a great cause!

Brian H | January 20, 2013

How about a ticker sales thermometer, Phil? How many sold so far?

dtesla | January 20, 2013

Sorry I didn't look at the signature before I fired off my response.

I hope Phil doesn't have a problem if somebody bought a ticket expecting a Performance MS and gets a standard performance instead.

DouglasR | January 20, 2013

It would only be a problem if that person won. :)

I'm sure he would refund the ticket price before the auction if anyone felt misled, but I suspect that the people for whom it would make the most difference are in this forum (and TMC), and now they know.

It is my understanding that TM has been very supportive of this effort. I wish there were an easy way to capture the tax credit. The PTSA can't use it.

phil-sherburne | January 21, 2013

Thank you all for your interest in the Raffle and for the many tickets you have purchased. We still have plenty of tickets so if your are interested in tickets contact me. We have sold about 680 tickets so far. So include the info on the raffle in your blogs and in other ways let your friends know about it. Our minimum goal for ticket sales is 800 which pays for the car. We will make that easily. WE are making a big effort to sell all 1650 tickets as that would raise $80,000 net for the school.I am trying to clarify the specs issue wherever I can--it is the Tesla Standard 85kwh car not the performance one. If you have other suggestions of where to market the raffle ticket I would appreciate them. Thanks Phil

Brian H | January 21, 2013

The forum site gets much more traffic than this one. Have you posted there?

If you're near a Tesla store, you could have someone hang around out front with a sandwich board saying "Get Your Free Model S Here!".

hsadler | January 21, 2013


Flyer says winner eligible for $7500 tax credit

Not sure how that would work.

DouglasR | January 21, 2013


You're right. I hadn't seen that. I frankly don't know, unless they give the winner the money to buy the car. But that would conflict with the "alternative" prize of $50k.

I'll see what I can find out.

ghillair | January 21, 2013

@hsadler & Doug
If you read the instructions for form 8936 "if you buy for resale your are not eligable for the credit" I would interpret thar to be the raffle, on a onetime basis they are buying for resale. I think that for tax purposes the raffle is acting as a dealer.

To claim the credit it must be a new car that you put in service during the tax year, no question of price paid.

Since the winner will get a 1099misc for the value of the car they certainly can use the credit.

Bottom line see your tax accountant.

djp | January 21, 2013

Winner paid $100 for it...

Brian H | January 21, 2013

Yes, a sweet little $7400 cash profit to cover your charging costs for the rest of your life!

DouglasR | January 21, 2013


The PTSA wouldn't be eligible for the credit anyway, because they are a nonprofit. However, I looked at Form 8936, and you are right: the credit does not depend on how much you pay for the car, just whether the taxpayer was the first to place it in service, and did so in the tax year (plus other requirements). The amount of the credit is dependent on battery capacity. All versions of the Model S qualify for the maximum $7500 credit. Thus the winner of the car should get to claim the entire credit. Of course the $7500 would probably be considered income, so the net benefit of the credit would be somewhat less.

A bit OT, but has anyone taken a close look at the 2012 Form 8936? It doesn't work. I'll start a new thread on this.

DouglasR | January 21, 2013

Sorry, I misread the form 8936. It's ok after all.

Brian H | January 22, 2013

How can a credit be counted as income, when it's a deduction from tax payable? That does not compute. A little too recursive.

DouglasR | January 22, 2013


Well, I haven't checked with my accountant, but I would bet it's treated as income, just as a state tax refund is treated as income. The credit is used to "pay" your tax obligation just as cash is.

But I will admit, it's odd, just as it's odd to get a tax credit for acquiring a car even if you didn't pay for it. So I'll see what my accountant says.

Vawlkus | January 22, 2013

I wonder what issues I'd run into if I got a ticket and won, trying to get the car accross the boarder (East Coast Canada).

DouglasR | January 23, 2013

So I spoke with my accountant, and she confirmed that you do not need to have purchased the car in order to claim the tax credit. You need to have acquired the car and placed it in service. Thus, you should be able to claim the credit if you win the car in a raffle.

As to whether the credit itself is taxable, the answer is: "sort of." You will be taxed on the value of the car. The value of the car is its full retail price, i.e., its price without the credit. That is, the price of the car before deducting the credit is treated as income, and is taxed as such; the credit can then be used to offset that tax and other taxes.

Please don't rely on me. Consult your own tax adviser.

@Vawlkus -- If you run the car across your boarder, it is likely to be very painful, at least for him. <|:) (Brian Hat)

Brian H | January 23, 2013

That borders on a clever comment and emoticon!

Sideyt | January 26, 2013

Does someone have Phil's address please? This could be a wild ride but I just want to send the money to the right person.

Cindy.holland | January 26, 2013

If you search for the raffle on Tesla Motors Club website, you will find it within that thread.

DouglasR | January 26, 2013

His email address is in the first post of this thread. If you are looking for a mailing address and whom to make the check out to, see dtesla's post on the first page of this thread.

Sideyt | January 26, 2013

Thank you. Just wanted to make sure that post was legit! Would love to win.

DouglasR | January 26, 2013

Well, I just spent several hours standing in the cold and rain at Seattle's University Village shopping center, where the Garfield PTSA had set up a booth to sell raffle tickets. I volunteered to bring my car and show it off. There was lots of interest, and we sold a fair number of tickets. People loved the car. Mine is Pearl White, whereas the raffle car is Metallic Blue. Mine is also a Performance, whereas the raffle car is not. Otherwise, they are very close in options.

I was curious to see who would be interested in this raffle. There were a lot of young guys who already knew about the Tesla, and a few of them sprung for the $100 ticket. Seattle has a large high-tech community, and we got a lot of interest from both men and women involved in those industries, whether or not they knew about the Model S. There were also quite a few Prius and Leaf owners who were very excited to see this car. Finally, several people were supporters of Garfield High or education in general, or were friends of mine and amenable to a little arm twisting. In general, the people who bought tickets had several things in common: they liked cars and technology, they liked the idea of an all electric car for environmental or other reasons, they thought this was a good cause, and they could spare $100.

I think they have sold a total of around 800 tickets to date, so I'm pretty sure they will make some money on this. It is also good publicity for Tesla, so spread the word!