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John Kelly 3/5 Idiot

White House chief of staff John Kelly said Monday that the Civil War was "caused by a lack of an ability to compromise".

In fact, many attempts were made to avert the Civil War through compromise — that is, by agreeing to allow slavery in some places.

The Missouri Compromise, in 1820, admitted Missouri to the union as a slave state; in exchange, it admitted Maine as a free state and barred slavery in most parts of the Louisiana Purchase territory north of a specified latitude. The Compromise of 1850 eliminated the slave trade from Washington, D.C., but also required citizens of free states to aid in the capture of fugitive slaves. The Kansas-Nebraska Act, which replaced the Missouri Compromise in 1854, let citizens of Kansas and Nebraska decide whether to allow slavery.

And, of course, there was the compromise that aided the very passage of the Constitution: the Three-Fifths Compromise, which counted slaves as three-fifths of a person for the purposes of congressional districting.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/30/kelly-civil-war-robert-lee-244353

The power of the mind technology interface:

https://twitter.com/SimonNRicketts/status/924771850604941312

carlk | October 31, 2017

Not a surprise if Trump is willing to hire him and he's willing to serve.

sp_tesla | October 31, 2017

carlk | October 31, 2017
Not a surprise if Trump is willing to hire him and he's willing to serve."

+1

KP in NPT | October 31, 2017

I guess I had hopes he was there to serve his country and not spew BS on behalf of Trump....guess not.

Teetoogrn | October 31, 2017

Where has basic human decency for your fellow man gone? Total disregard for people of color's pain in glorifying someone who was prepared to die to keep them as chattel. I guess empathy has walked away too.

sabbia | October 31, 2017

Bigotry is as bigotry does.

carlgo2 | October 31, 2017

Here is a conspiracy sort of explanation: "Trump's generals", want to stay close to Trump to quickly circumvent wacky orders he may give to the military. Kelly could not "side" with an enemy of Trump and stay employed.

When Nixon was on the way out the military leadership told their forces to follow their orders, not Nixon's. They were afraid he might try to use the military to stay in power.

georgehawley.fl.us | November 1, 2017

General Kelly would best serve the nation by staying in the background and trying to keep Trump on track.

He was misinformed when calling Congresswoman Wilson an "empty barrel" and should apologize for his mistaken remarks.

Remnant | November 2, 2017

@georgehawley.fl.us (November 1, 2017)

<< General Kelly would best serve the nation by staying in the background and trying to keep Trump on track. >>

Apparently, General Kelly omitted to obtain your approval for his response to the outrage perpetrated by the Wilson woman against the POTUS. General Kelly was offended by her disrespect, not just for the President, but for the Gold Star wife whose feelings she tried to dis-consider, dishonor, and usurp, for her own petty politics

<< He was misinformed when calling Congresswoman Wilson an "empty barrel" and should apologize for his mistaken remarks. >>

Not misinformed, just too decent to note that she was a barrel full of excrement. She not only is undeserving of an apology, but should be urged to step down AND apologize for inappropriate and treasonous remarks in the matter.

SCCRENDO | November 2, 2017

@Remnant. You need to surely tell us what you are smoking. It may cloud the brain but seems to place you in a reasonably euphoric state. I guess that’s why they say “ignorance is bliss’. It seems most of us thought that Trump had this tendency to seriously annoy gold star families like that of La David Johnson and Humayan Khan. But I guess we are pleased that you and John Kelly set the record straight for us.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/23/us/politics/soldiers-widow-says-trump...
http://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2017/10/28/khizr-khan-sons-sacrifice-smerco...

SamO | November 2, 2017

John Kelly lied about Dr. Wilson. Yes, a black doctor @Remnant. You can close your mouth.

He said she claimed credit for getting funding. She didn't.

But feel free to bring your evidence.

SamO | November 2, 2017

3/5 Idiot statements do not qualify.

tpkiwi | November 2, 2017

I thought this forum was about Tesla topics. Take the political BS elsewhere.

KP in NPT | November 2, 2017

" not just for the President, but for the Gold Star wife whose feelings she tried to dis-consider, dishonor, and usurp,"

You are so full of it, Remnant. Did you copy/paste that off some right wing conspiracy website? Sorry to burst your bubble, but the widow, who was a personal friend of Dr. Wilson, agreed with her and corroborated her account in interviews aired on TV in the days after the funeral.

"inappropriate and treasonous remarks in the matter."

You've got to be kidding. Treasonous? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

SCCRENDO | November 2, 2017

@tpkiwi. I don’t recall anyone forcing you to read this thread. Howewer in the US the shenanigans of our government has significant relevance relating to climate change, energy sources, EV rebates etc. We do apologize for not providing you with appropriate entertainment on this thread but if you have any questions regarding Teslas, powerwalls or solar panels feel free to ask. Most of us are long term Tesla owners.

85S, 129000 miles, April 2013, reservations on 2 Model 3s

RedShift | November 2, 2017

“I thought this forum was about Tesla topics”

You thought wrong. This is the general section. Move along, thin skinned Trump voter..

SCCRENDO | November 2, 2017

@Redshift. Probably from New Zealand. Generally cool people but they also have this guy and @bb0tin

Remnant | November 3, 2017

@SamO (OP, October 31, 2017)

<< John Kelly 3/5 Idiot ... John Kelly said Monday that the Civil War was "caused by a lack of an ability to compromise". ... [Yet,] there was the compromise that aided the very passage of the Constitution: the Three-Fifths Compromise, which counted slaves as three-fifths of a person for the purposes of congressional districting. >>

(1) You're trying to foment the racial divide in this country. Shame on you!

(2) The 3/5 clause was an Anti-Slavery procedure, designed to reduce the number of representatives of the Slave States. Using it as a way to grade bad features or properties is inappropriate and fails the alleged purpose, as those features are in fact underhandedly enhanced, as in your post.

(3) Slavery was the sordid nature of the economic and moral realities of the societies contemporaneous with the birth of this nation. Being a slave owner was incidental to holding certain positions, not necessarily reflective of the personal preferences of the individual under consideration. There were blacks, scientists, generals, and land developers among the slave owners.

Honest historians and our own public do not have a valid reason to deny the reality of those individuals or of their qualities merely on account of their slave ownership that some of them openly dissed and even fought or annulled. Hiding their names or destroying their statues is a stupid act of desecration of our history, on a par with the destruction of priceless antiquity monuments by the ISIS barbarians.

(4) If we take pride in our current diversity and rule of law, we cannot morph it into blind acceptance of such barbarians or of their methods. On the contrary, we should defend our cultural and national integrity by all means available.

This is why General Kelly was right, the Williams woman was wrong, and you 100% (5/5) lack the intelligence and integrity to grasp this.

sabbia | November 3, 2017

Oh, by the way Remnant, just in passing Remnant, Robert E. Lee was responsible for more American deaths than several of our foreign wars.

And Remnant, if you are trying to say that Lee's insurrection against The United States is justified on comparative historical grounds, then I encourage you to do the math and calculate just how many years Four Score And Seven is.

Remnant | November 3, 2017

@Sabbia (November 3, 2017)

<< ... Robert E. Lee was responsible for more American deaths than several of our foreign wars.

If you are planning to analyze Robert E. Lee's personality, life, or role in the Civil War, you are out of order to start it by destroying, removing, or otherwise desecrating the monuments memorializing that long gone soldier who was a hero for at least some of his contemporaries.

Only a moron, a barbarian, or an enemy of this country would consider engaging in such a crime and he should be forever cursed for it.

MitchP85D | November 3, 2017

The American Civil War was the greatest tragedy in American history, and should have never been fought. Ron Paul and Gen. Kelly are right! Slavery could have been eliminated without war. Those of you who are "glad" the American Civil War happened are demonstrating the highest degree of ignorance one can imagine!

SCCRENDO | November 3, 2017

@Remnant. Hilter was a hero to Nazi’s during the Second World War. Would you recommend placing up statues in Germany memorializing the long gone Nazi soldiers??? Thought not.

finman100 | November 3, 2017

LOTS of issues can be 'solved' without war. but...we humans tend to be fiesty. not one of our better traits.

better ways to kill each other seems to be very profitable to boot. (shaking head)

Silver2K | November 3, 2017

tpkiwi | November 2, 2017
I thought this forum was about Tesla topics. Take the political BS elsewhere.
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The vehicles and energy department have their section and everything else has general.

Dont be rude

SCC+1

Teetoogrn | November 3, 2017

Remnant, it appears futile to attempt to persuade you to think other than you do on this topic. You may not share the view that it's sad that more than 100 years later anyone would find reason to support those that we can see today were on the wrong side of righteousness. Perhaps we can agree that to hope for even a remnant of moral decency from some is pointless.

Remnant | November 3, 2017

@SCCRENDO (November 3, 2017)

<< Would you recommend placing up statues in Germany memorializing the long gone Nazi soldiers??? >>

We know there were Black slaveholders. For example, Anthony Johnson, a Black ex–indentured servant, sued to hold John Casor for life in 1653, and the resulting civil court decision remanding Casor to Johnson’s ownership was (as historian R. Halliburton Jr. writes) “one of the first known legal sanctions of slavery”. The point is that that the institution of slavery was more complex than the usual presentation as exclusively White owners and exclusively Black slaves.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2015/09/slavery_...

However, your extrapolation from Germany to USA, from Hitler to Robert E. Lee, and from the 21st to the 19th Century is dishonest and moronic Newspeak, intended to demonize and disrespect other people's history and property, which you use in order to encourage racial prejudice, violence, and barbarism.

SCCRENDO | November 3, 2017

@Remnant. You are such a bigot and a racist that you fail to see that the Black population whose ancestors were slaves do not need to see the “heroes” of the confederate honored in their town squares. They are only heroes to racist whites. Invoking the occasional “Uncle Tom” as a justification for evil deeds is also reprehensible. Yes I am invoking Godwin’s law but I believe the Hitler analogy is quite valid. We do not celebrate the leaders of a reprehensible regime.

Remnant | November 4, 2017

@SCCRENDO (November 3, 2017)

<< @Remnant. You are such a bigot and a racist that you fail to see that the Black population whose ancestors were slaves do not need to see the “heroes” of the confederate honored in their town squares. >>

The hooligans who have engaged in forcible removal of our historical monuments are racially diverse and believe in parasitical entitlements, disrespect for property rights, and violence. You're pandering to Blacks in order to recruit them in support of your Anti-American agenda, but most of the Blacks I see around and work with are just good Americans and they are unlikely to fall for your bigoted fascist propaganda.

Like HRC & Co, the Criminal Gang you admire, you practice an obscene variety of shameless and dishonorable hatred of our Constitutional Order.

<< We do not celebrate the leaders of a reprehensible regime. >>

Who's this "we" you're referring to? You do not represent the other posters here, or any other collective authority. On the contrary, you're trying to usurp any and all legitimacy of this conversation, by posing as their spokesman.

In fact, you are a fraudster who promotes a Sorosian agenda of sabotage and delinquency, quite adverse to the American Constitutional Order and Rule of Law.

SCCRENDO | November 4, 2017

@Remnant. It is not all whites that are racist and bigoted like you. It is mainly the Trump faithful like yourself. Unfortunately there are enough of you to have gotten Trump elected. But you are certainly a minority. Only 30-40% of eligible voters. We do not only pander to blacks. We support anyone is the subject of alt-right hatred and bigotry. The monuments are just one of the tools of your hatred. I would believe that I do speak for the majority of posters on these boards but feel free to organize a survey and prove me wrong.

bigd | November 4, 2017

Remnant - you know you are speaking the truth when you are called a bigot. That is the go to name calling for ignorant liberals.

KP in NPT | November 4, 2017

Or...a bigot is a bigot.

SCCRENDO | November 4, 2017

@KP. Bigdufus is a known troll who does not own nor have a reservation on any Tesla. He also does not have much comprehension on most topics. He is a blind alt-right fanboi. I think he also has been into the Halloween candy without his parent’s consent.

bigd | November 4, 2017

Like I said, small minds call everyone who has opinion that are not facts, bigots. smh

bigd | November 4, 2017

Like I said, small minds call everyone who has opinion that are not facts, bigots. smh

KP in NPT | November 4, 2017

Yah SCC, I remember bigd's pearls of wisdom.

So if opinions are bigoted it's not fair to call out the bigotry? Or are "differences of opinion" that happen to be bigoted absolutely not related at all to perhaps being a bigot?

Sorry, don't work that way.

#FakeNews

RedShift | November 4, 2017

If you call a racist out, you are the racist for bringing race into the discussion. You call a bigot out, you are the bigot, and they are the angels or the same reason.

Racism and bigotry are dead, you know. Can we all stop talking about them already!

MitchP85D | November 4, 2017

Historical Note - President Lincoln asked Robert E Lee to command the Union Army. Something tells me the sanctimonious anointed ones here in the Tesla Forum are oblivious to that fact!

SamO | November 5, 2017

Lincoln also liked giant hats. Why aren’t people talking about that instead of his hatred of slavery.

#aproposofnothing

Remnant | November 5, 2017

@RedShift (November 4, 2017)

<< If you call a racist out, you are the racist for bringing race into the discussion. >>

That's exactly the HRC's criminal mind concocted for Trump. Like the KGB, she hired Disinformation specialists to design allegations of fake facts and talking points for her campaign. Implicitly, neither Truth nor People's Will matter for her and her ilk.

You clearly are one of the useful idiots the alt Left Fascists count on in their quest for a society based on Fraud and Violence, like Socialism.

SamO | November 5, 2017

Trump is a low level mob shill for Russian Oligarchs. Allegedly.

Trump has committed tax fraud.
Allegedly.

Trump hires prostitutes and loves water sports.
Allegedly.

Trump is a depraved liar, sexual abuser and marital rapist.
Allegedly.

But aside from his repeated bankruptcies and illegal use of NYC tax breaks (Allegedly) he TOTALLY supports the free market.
Derp and Lulz

RedShift | November 5, 2017

@remnant

Are you high or is it an affliction that runs in your family? There isn’t even a tenuous connection to what I wrote in my post and your verbal diarrhea of a response.

sabbia | November 5, 2017

John Le Carre (cold war spy novelist and former British MI5 and MI6 operative) opines in a "Fresh Air" interview that Trump is indeed indebted to Russian oligarchs who have played him by using cash for quite some time. Predicts that criminal use of Russian money by members of Trump's family will come to light.

MitchP85D | November 5, 2017

60cc SamO, slavery was going to be abolished. It was just a matter of how. Unfortunately in our history, it was ended the worst way possible!

Pointing fingers at people and calling them racists serves no useful purpose other than to foment division even beyond where it already exists.

Better Red than Dead, you are not calling out racists and bigots. All you are doing is projecting your own hatred onto others!

Silver2K | November 5, 2017

"Pointing fingers at people and calling them racists serves no useful purpose other than to foment division even beyond where it already exists."

Great point!
I let the type bury themselves.

Remnant | November 9, 2017

@RedShift (November 5, 2017)

<< @remnant ... Are you high or is it an affliction that runs in your family? There isn’t even a tenuous connection to what I wrote in my post and your verbal diarrhea of a response. >>

Your inability to comprehend my post is more likely to reflect YOUR intellectual disabilities, which you should blame on your family of dimwits who have begotten the mental cripple you are.

SamO | November 9, 2017

I love when people pretend to be smart, lecture others and then end a sentence with a preposition. :-)

RedShift | November 9, 2017

@remnant

Inability to explain your own post coupled with comeback that a 3 year old would be proud of? If I were you I’d explore the second possibility.

PrimeTime | November 9, 2017

Looks like the comparison to the Unabomber was close to home.

Rocky_H | November 9, 2017

Well, this has been entertaining. I think my favorite part is this insane phrase:
"the alt Left Fascists"

The white supremacists, modern Nazis, created the term "Alt Right" for themselves so they wouldn't have to go by their actual unpleasant terms. There is no "Alt Left". And then it's straight-up immature projection for the side that actually contains the fascists to call their opponents fascists.

MitchP85D | November 9, 2017

Fascism has its roots in Socialism!

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