Idea: Boost Lane

Idea: Boost Lane

I have an idea for Tesla vehicles charging. I call it the boost lane. It is just like the FastTrack toys. If two metallic rails can be installed on a span of a highway lane and a connecting device can be added on the bottom of the vehicles the cars can get a boost during their trip. Just wanted to share it let me know what you guys think.

petochok | 04/10/2013

I think it would be a great idea, but only if drivers stuck in traffic are allowed to place a turkey across the rails to cook it (you know, to save time since they'll be late because of traffic). With the amount of investment it would take to install and supply high voltage to this system, I think investing in a ray gun mounted above the freeway would be better. Imagine getting zapped by this gun as you drive past it and receive "an upcharge". It is just like Power Rangers!
Seriously though, take some time to educate yourself on how electricity works. Keep it simple and start with Ohm's law. Once you grasp the basic concept, you will quickly realize why trolley's, trains etc. have always depended on the limited network of suspended cables to supply their electricity instead of having it pushed through steel rails on the ground in public areas.

EvaP | 05/10/2013

TESLAholic, if the idea is so bad, why is it that subways get their electricity from a third rail which is not much different from what the op suggested??????

Timo | 05/10/2013

That's not easily accessible to outsiders, subway cars rarely crash and rails work as grounding unit unlike car tires, so you would need two of those very close each other. Metal also gets very slippery for rubber tires in rain. Cars also come in various sizes and shapes, so getting alignment just right is near impossibility.

Wireless. That's the solution. Technology is here for just that kind of solution, but infrastructure construction is lagging behind techs.

petochok | 05/10/2013

"That's not easily accessible to outsiders, subway cars rarely crash and rails work as grounding unit unlike car tires, so you would need two of those very close each other. Metal also gets very slippery for rubber tires in rain. Cars also come in various sizes and shapes, so getting alignment just right is near impossibility."

And also the tremendous amount of money it would require to supply electricity to an entire charging network, not to mention having to deal with DOT when it comes to constant road renovation projects.

Roamer@AZ USA | 06/10/2013

It will happen some day and will be an imbedded charger that induces the current into the car charger. We do it now with induction cooktops. The technology just needs to mature. You will see it first on city bus routes were you get the most bang for the buck and the added complexity of higher speeds is not a factor.

formosawest | 06/10/2013

Inductive charging might be a possibility. ideas like this have been explored in decades past, but
As it stands I think that the proportionate number of EV's to Gas-Powered Vehicles on the road makes this a disproportionate challenge. The investment risk is likely unfavourable... at this time. It is possible though and in the future, if we start to see numbers of EV drivers increasing, it may be viable. if there was a way to charge for the service - or at minimum, make it sustainable from an investment standpoint, we could see charging pads in parking lots or at stop lights in busy city centres.

I like the idea, but maybe we aren't there yet? Theres a number of issues that would need addressing and solving before such an idea could be viable.

Good thinking! keep the ideas floating. some are bound to make a difference if they're real world applicable, valuable and viable!

petochok | 06/10/2013

I was really looking forward to seeing the limitations of Infiniti LE's inductive charging setup. Unfortunately, the concept was put on hold indefinitely by the former CEO of Audi, who now heads the Infiniti brand.

Brian H | 06/10/2013

"at stop lights". Heh. I can see cars running low on charge sitting there, trying to get enough to get home!

Timo | 06/10/2013

HONK! I'm charging here! I'll show you charge....

EvaP | 07/10/2013

I think in the not so near future the vehicles won't have engines and will be propelled by the roads themselves, using magnetism. My vision is that along the roads there will be lined up empty vehicles (probably with just one or two seats), you get into them, they join the traffic, you punch in where you want to go and it takes you there. It turns off at the right intersections and once you arrived, it leaves the road, you can get off and the vehicle either stays there for others to take, or goes back to the road and is taken to a busier place. Every road will be connected to the net. Vehicles not in use could be stored underground....

There will be no collision because the vehicles will repel each other and can't collide. This will happen when the population and the cities will be so dense that they can't waste the space on wide roads and large vehicles with one person in each. Possibly, this whole system will move underground and there will be no traffic on the surface. The vehicles will deliver people directly to under their houses/apartments.

The op's vision would fit in with this picture of mine.

doktrova | 07/10/2013

Thank you for the replies. I understand there are many limitations and challenges, but taking into consideration Hyperloop, Space X and Tesla itself it appears that these guys are thinking out of the box. That is the only reason I see this idea as a fit for the company.

EvaP | 07/10/2013

doctrova, never apologize for an idea. Ideas are there to be debated. People might agree or they might not. It can be that you have lacked some important information and you are wrong, but it can also be that you can see something others can't.

There is a difference between crazy ideas people come up with just to shock others and genuine ones that sound weird first, but later turn out to be revolutionary.

"If at first, the idea is not absurd, then there is no hope for it." Einstein

"Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats." Howard Aiken

This is so true, because most revolutionary ideas go against the contemporary common knowledge and everybody puts them down as nonsense.

Timo | 07/10/2013

EvaP, I don't believe your future prediction just because cars want to be driven, I for one would not like a auto-taxi services at all.

It's not the destination, it's the journey that matters.

EvaP | 07/10/2013

Timo, I don't think it will be decided based on what people like, but on necessity.

I am sure when the first cars showed up, people missed the smell and whinnying of the horses, hated the noise of the engine and the speed.

These are quotes I found on how much people hated cars when they first appeared:

"a writer in Lippincott’s Magazine insisted that since 'Americans are a horse-loving nation … the wide-spread adoption of the motor-driven vehicle in this country is open to serious doubt.'"

” Can you imagine, asked Seymour, “Napoleon crossing the Alps in a blinding snow storm on a bicycle or Alexander riding heroically at the head of his armies in a horseless carriage?”

Timo | 07/10/2013

What necessity is that? I don't see any necessity forcing us to forgo our freedom.

EvaP | 07/10/2013


Timo | 07/10/2013

Population growth is already slowing down a lot. It will peak at about 9-10billion and then start to actually drop. High tech/education culture seems to slow down population growth a lot.

That taxi service could work on city centers, but I would not give away my car for that.

Brian H | 08/10/2013

The only correct predictor is historically the Low Band of the UN Population survey. It now says 8bn in 30 years, then falling indefinitely.

EvaP | 08/10/2013

Timo, I don't think it would happen in our lifetime, so we can stop worrying about it.

Re: World population. If you look at recent history, the trend is for the settlements to become more and more dense. Every free space people have discovered so far (Africa, Americas, Australia) have been filled with cities, towns and people. I can't see why the trend would change....
There is a huge part of population in developing countries with no birth control, where the only old age security is having many children. This makes the population growth there exponential.
World religions that frown upon birth control are on the rise worldwide.
Industrialists, and so politicians, are interested in large population to make sure there are enough workers and consumers. Also, having more people means more military power. I can't see them do anything to curb population growth.

Yes, Europe's population is going down, but it is replenished by immigration from overpopulated or impoverished countries.

Unless something drastic happens, the growth will go on until we will have to spread to places like the surface or the bottom of the ocean, North and South Poles, Sahara, underground, etc. It will happen faster than you think. Exponential growth is very tricky. When I was a kid, I have learned about 2.5 billion people. Yes, I am 62 years old. We have more than doubled in the last 50 years. If this continues, we will have 15 billion in 50 years, not 8 or 9 billion.

Yes, I think 100-200 years from now people won't have the luxury of sitting in a car all by themselves and drive slowly, enjoying the scenery.

But they won't miss it because they have never experienced it. Just like most of us don't know what it is like to sit on a horse. If the electric car becomes the norm, the next generations will look at us like we were crazy spewing all that poison into the air and sitting in noisy cars instead of breathing nice, clean air and sit peacefully in silent cars, sliding through the landscape.

Everything is a matter of getting used to.

Brian H | 08/10/2013

Birth rates are falling world-wide, America one of the few exceptions.

It is fashionable to worry about warming and overpopulation, when the real risks are cooling and depopulation.

Brian H | 08/10/2013

P.S. The wealthier a society gets, the more space is freed up. Google 'Peak Farmland'.

EvaP | 08/10/2013

Thanks for the link Brian.

I never believed in global warming. I think it is based on a mistake and the planet doesn't work like a green house.

Timo | 08/10/2013

Yes it does. Greenhouse effect is real, otherwise Earth would froze all over. Only question here is how high effect humans have to that.

"depopulation" is no risk. Human civilization would survive with 99% of people gone, and highly probably would do a lot better than it does now. World is already "overpopulated", just not gone over critical limits.

EvaP | 09/10/2013

Timo, I am reading that recently, the areas covered with ice are getting bigger, not smaller. Other thing nobody seems to consider (because they are so anxious to prove the greenhouse effect) that while it might be getting smaller on the North Pole, the opposite is true on the South Pole. There is a cooling going on there.

I just had a conversation online where I suggested that IF it is true that the heat the sun is radiating, can't get through the greenhouse gases and gets "trapped" on Earth, then the same thing must happen when it reaches Earth: It can't get through, so the whole process evens itself out. Less radiation is coming, less is leaving: same is staying....

I was told that is nonsense and people gave me elaborate explanations on why it was wrong. Guess what? I have read the SAME thing in a NASA article, only of course, in a more scientific language. I will try to find the article and post it here, but this is what I found for now.

Common sense is common sense. If you can imagine how things happen, you are bound to realize that the whole thing does not make sense. Turns out the computer simulations where wrong, because Earth does not work the way they assumed.

doktrova | 09/10/2013

This thread has gone off topic. Lets try to focus on the initial idea.

EvaP | 09/10/2013

Here is the quote:

"NASA’s Langley Research Center has collated data proving that “greenhouse gases” actually block up to 95 percent of harmful solar rays from reaching our planet, thus reducing the heating impact of the sun. The data was collected by Sounding of the Atmosphere using Broadband Emission Radiometry, (or SABER). SABER monitors infrared emissions from Earth’s upper atmosphere, in particular from carbon dioxide (CO2) and nitric oxide (NO), two substances thought to be playing a key role in the energy balance of air above our planet’s surface."

Nasa website is down, but I found a link

EvaP | 09/10/2013

Sorry for the offtopic doctrova, just tell us more about the initial idea so we can get back discussing that.

Brian H | 09/10/2013

Inductive boosting has been under exploration for a while, but of course there's a chicken&egg issue: install infrastructure and inspire purchase of vehicles capable of using it, or make and sell vehicles with the power receivers, and hope for/demand the infrastructure?

Timo | 09/10/2013

EvaP; Timo, I am reading that recently, the areas covered with ice are getting bigger, not smaller

and thinner. Also not true for glaciers and north pole. It's just propaganda made by environment change denialist.

For that chicken&egg problem I suggest modular design that allows refitting car later for those things.

Brian H | 10/10/2013

MediaMatters? the lowest of the low.

Timo | 10/10/2013

In this matter better than James Taylor or wattsupwiththat which by nature does cherry-picking studies.

EvaP | 10/10/2013

"Despite the overwhelming consensus among climate experts"

Stop right there!

Do you really believe in this overwhelming consensus? As far as I know, there are many who don't agree, only scientists have jobs and families with mortgages. They simply can't afford to air opinions that would be regarded as "unscientific" based on today's mainstream science.

Science is just another way to make a living for (guessing) 80% of the people. They are worried about their carrier and reputation. Believe me, if this fear did not exist, there would be AT LEAST 50% of scientists (those who take the effort to be real scientists and not just parrot what they hear), would disagree.

My experience is that no matter how much you try to reason with the "alarmists" LOL, if there are "denialists" we can give derogatory names to the other side also.... they twist and turn their arguments to fit their fixed idea.

No offense, but I wish I would live to see when this whole climate change thing has been discredited.

Teslation | 10/10/2013


Let's see how about a small application to test out the best system; like rail induction. Something that can be built right now. One characteristic I see about all these systems is they save charging at home time so you could, in theory drive 24/7, or until you ran out of rail. Where would that be beneficial?

Obviously it's beer breweries! Did you know Anheuser Busch has a plant warehouse where self driving pallet trucks take pallets of beer coming off the assembly line, and loads them into trucks, all without any driver ! They have it now, it's all computerized & with self driving pallet trucks. (They do have some humans driver the old fashion people pallet trucks too).

Now put some free Solar City sun panels on the the roof to power the metal charging rails built into the floor, and make the pallet trucks electric so they can constantly recharge while loading the precious beer cargo. The layout of the charging rails is very geometric going from pickup of beer pallets & loading them into 53 foot tractor trailers at numerous loading docks.

Electric rail charging also gives cleaner warehouse air & environment than natural gas pallet truck's , (especially indoors in a loading warehouse). Plus the electricity is cheaper & eventually free from brewery warehouse rooftop solar panels.

The system also needs no downtime to charge the self driving pallet trucks like regular electric pallet trucks do, allowing 24 hr continuous electric charging with fewer electric, auto pilot pallet trucks, charging onthe electric rails as they load beer onto the 53 foot dryvans 24/7/364

This system would save the brewery money every which way: no drivers, close to free energy, and fewer pallet truck's needed through continuous electric rail charging.

This would be a nice start for testing your system.

Timo | 10/10/2013

EvaP; "Despite the overwhelming consensus among climate experts" Happens to be true. I'll try to dig if I can find the study about climate studies which was made some time ago. IIRC about 95% of them show that earth temperature is raising and way more than 50% were showing that humans are reason for that raise (and that other 50% didn't study that).

Only reason this fuzz has not gone away is that it has become a political and commercial weapon for people that don't understand one bit what it is about. (For both ways). If you need a reason for getting funding for wind turbine farms: hit them with global warming. If you need trashing someone in political game: hit him with global warming.

Unfortunately this game diverts the focus out of the thing we should be focusing on: how to benefit from it?

As Brian H has said in many cases CO2 is not pollution. It's just a atmospheric gas. Also vegetation likes heat and moist. I think we should actually deliberately raise the temperature of the earth. We are nowhere close to hottests temperatures Earth has had in the past, and when that was Earth had most life on it ever.

The "alarmists" as you so well said are also full of BS and just as ignorant as denialists. Earth can't turn to Venus.

If we can't terraform Terra, how an earth can we even think we could do it to Mars?

Back to topic: Inductive charging could be done for buses first. Make every bus stop a charging point. I haven't done the calcs, but I believe you could have electric city bus running indefinitely without long charging break with that.

Timo | 11/10/2013

Darn it, seems to be that I'm not able to find that study. My search-fu isn't strong enough (and I don't have time).

bent | 11/10/2013

Timo wrote:
"If we can't terraform Terra, how an earth can we even think we could do it to Mars?"

On Mars though, we can afford to fail.

doktrova | 11/10/2013

My idea is not to built a long rail network. I was thinking more of short frequent spans of boost lane where it is safe. Im not to sure of how long they would have to be to give the car about 20 miles charge while it is traveling on the rails at the speed limit for the road. Like Tesluthian mentioned it would be powered by solar panels on the side of the road.

EvaP | 11/10/2013


I am no expert by all means and I can't tell how good your idea is. If I were you, I would work it out, complete with illustrations and would publish it somewhere or offer it to people who could be interested.
My impression is that you are way ahead of your time. But something like this will have to be done once the majority of vehicles become electric.

If your idea is good and feasible at some point, you should make sure you own it and nobody can sell it as his own.

DonS | 16/10/2013

A 25 mile stretch of highway with inductive connection at the same power as a supercharger could replace a supercharger and would let you drive non-stop. Shorter stretches of highway at closer intervals would work too.

The real problem, as usual, is money. Who is going to pay for it?

doktrova | 16/10/2013

Tesla should pay for it with help from the government(if possible). The technology should be patented and other electric car makers that want to make use of the technology and infrastructure should pay royalties to reimburse the initial expense. In terms of profit I believe that will give a boost to electric car sales. I am pretty sure a way can be figured out where everybody wins given the idea is feasible.

EvaP | 16/10/2013

Expensive? How expensive was to make the railways? I am sure many people said it is not feasible to make thousands of miles of rail for a few trains daily....

When time comes, there will be money.

RanjitC | 17/10/2013

I think we need some one like Elon to figure out how to make it pay for itself.

doktrova | 13/04/2018

And the idea has come to life in Sweden

The smart a$$ petochok that has the first reply can go and cook his turkey there for Thanksgiving.

Earl and Nagin ... | 14/04/2018

The math really doesn't work well for this concept. If one assumes consumption of 4 mi/Kwhr, in order to sustain the charge and all roads have this kind of charging rail, one would have to charge at about 15 kW or 62 amps at 240 volts. That is just to sustain the charge, not add charge to the battery. While doable, just as with subways and electric train pickups, there is going to be a lot of arcing and sparking on this kind of system and the wipers will require replacing often as they wear down. And there's the maintenance, safety, dirt clogging, and other problems with the streets.
I think one can build a lot of Superchargers and afford a bigger battery for the cost of paying for such an optimistic $1M/km roadway.
I used to toy with the thought of putting contractors on the end of a couple of plastic poles to suck power from the overhead catenary wires for the electric buses when I would drive my EV1 in San Francisco. The infrastructure is there already. If someone were ambitious (I wasn't), they could do this any time they want. As far as I know nobody has.