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!OMG- I have a real dealbreaker problem!

!OMG- I have a real dealbreaker problem!

Hello guys, I'm european reservationholder and hope to see my babe in September. Today my wife and I went to a new flat, we would like to buy within the next weeks. It's a house with 3 parties and everything is very tight- I mean, hey- that's Europe. It's that hard on the edge, that every german car would fit with at least a hair betwenn car and wall.
No joke, the Model S will not fit in the 2013-German-Garage...
Garage inside is 235cm, but the garagedoor is 213cm.
Model S is 218cm- WITH MIRRORS. With the mirrors folded it would fit slightly, but the space to leave the car would be max. 34,7cm (231cm-196,3cm). Can I get out the car with realistic 30cm of space?

Ok, long introduction for my "dealbraker"... the point is: If the Mirror cannot folded electric (in my electric car), I'm sadly out of the game.
Unbelievible: The Model S is wider than

BMW 7series
Mercedes S-Class
Mercedes G-Class
BMW X5

ok, a Q7 is 2cm wider. Tesla will get problems with this in Europe, more or less. In the Cities, the carparks are very small sometimes.
So, I'm a big fan (maybe the biggest), reservationholder and stock enthusiast- but I cannot buy this car without at least electric mirrors (in "the best car of the world")

What are Your thoughts? Teslas, please react.

Sudre_ | 13/03/2013

You will have to wait for GENIII which is a smaller car. I doubt you could get in or out with 30cm of space. The doors are thick. You could always crawl out the back :-)

Maybe find a place with a larger garage.

FLsportscarenth... | 13/03/2013

Electric mirror option? For those that need it or want it... Not a bad thing.

That would solve the space problem for you?

Sounds like you should consider a less dense neighbourhood next move. As a former New Yorker, I will tell you high density is not usually good. Forget that 'new urbanism' rubbish, it does not work well for normal people - always be skeptical of urban planners, they are not always thinking of your best interests!

Warm regards from Florida!

Captain_Zap | 13/03/2013

Have you thought about trying this technique?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT3O51yRQbM

Steve Proteau | 13/03/2013

You could always widen the garage door. Or maybe cut out notches for your mirrors? I would go to such lengths to have my Model S!!!

Klaus | 13/03/2013

I just checked. With 30cm Suppen-Kasper couldn't get out. Sorry.

Whity Whiteman | 13/03/2013

okay, let's consider, the door thickness is at least (!) 15cm. That would leave room for coming out the car of max. 15cm !!
(231cm Garage minus 4cm room left on the right side minus 197cm Car minus 15cm open door).

So I started an experimental model-S-self-setup to find out, what will possible and what not. You find the result in this photo =)

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1500144/Foto%202.JPG

So 15cm WITH folded mirrors. WTF?

And here it's not urban like big apple, it's more a nice village on the rhineRiver, which came out to be the best suburbia directly to Duesseldorf
It's some kind of special- like the Tesla!

I think, Tesla already now the problem, they must know it. In the netherlands it will be tight as well. Just try to circle the car through Amsterdam.. Norway has no problems with this, big country, less people.

Whity Whiteman | 13/03/2013

Captain_Zap.. hahahaha, very good. But the sadly truth is this

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1500144/PastedGraphic-10.png

My Garage would be in the middle (2nd).. so, no door in sight (

jk2014 | 13/03/2013

Are you serious? You can't just get out and fold the mirrors in before driving into the garage?

Whity Whiteman | 13/03/2013

@jk2014: the 15cm are WITH folded mirrors (196,7cm)

And even if it would be possible, to slim trough 15cm as hardcore bulemiker: Who would fold both mirrors manually minimum 2 times a day (730 times a Year)? In a hightec-Car for 107.000€ ?

Sorry, this is Europe. Smallsmall---culture, old cities/structures
no big bling plastic planet!
I love Tesla, but this kind of american thinking is.. whatever, You all know, what I mean...

negarholger | 13/03/2013

You could crawl out in the back... it's a hatchback and can open it with you key.

Captain_Zap - hilarious video. Thanks.

DJung | 13/03/2013

try some hatchback action! add a powered liftgate for extra luxury
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wlgpm8mm2Wg

Whity Whiteman | 13/03/2013

...minimum requirements of a norm garage:
"Die Stellplatzgröße beträgt mindestens 5 m Länge und 2,3 m Breite (links und rechts weitere Parkplätze) bzw. 2,5 m Breite. Ebenso werden Zufahrtsgrößen, Kurvenradien, Fahrgassen usw. festgelegt."

pours http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garage

petero | 13/03/2013

If you have to have the “S” AND you have to have that specific home, I would suggest you watch this 2014 Kia Sorrento commercial. This may give you an alternative to ingress and egress. I am in no way suggesting you purchase a Sorrento

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QnAo1xUWpgY

Whity Whiteman | 13/03/2013

It seems like- I must decide?

Purchase car OR buying apartment? Hmmm.. heavy shit.

DouglasR | 13/03/2013

You could also exit through the sun roof.

Seriously, this is not much different from all those folks in the U.S. who want the S but live in a condo or apartment that will not let them install the appropriate electrical outlet. Some move (or don't buy the condo); some find a garage or charger nearby; some abandon their dream and don't buy the car.

Sudre_ | 13/03/2013

Apartments are a dime a dozen. The Model S is one of a kind. :-)

Norbert.Vienna | 13/03/2013

There are aftermarket solutions to fold the mirrors electrically

Carefree | 13/03/2013

Being originally from Germany I totally understand your situation. For folks in the US it is difficult to imagine how tight garages and parking spaces are in Europe, esp. in small villages along the Rhein. I can only imagine that you've been looking for quite some time to find the perfect living quarters.

It would seem that you'll have to find another car that fits more easily into your garage. There is no way I would crawl out of the S through the hatch - it's just not practical. The only other solution would be to park the car in the street - but where would you charge it?

Whity Whiteman | 13/03/2013

that's the problem. I could rent a garage 200 Meters away, but I would need also the installment of the 3-phase outlet.

It's depressing!

Carefree | 13/03/2013

Just for kicks I would get a quote from an electrician - maybe it is economically feasible to rent the garage and have an outlet installed?

jat | 13/03/2013

Many threads have already discussed this. The Model S isn't getting narrower, and it seems highly unlikely that power folding mirrors will be added. Even if they did, it is still a wide car and would have very little clearance. It looks like you will need to decide between the garage and the car.

kenliles | 13/03/2013

buy the car- Model S has enough room to live in

jk2014 | 13/03/2013

Get the flat. Don't get Model S.

Get a smart car with Tesla power train.

Problem solved.

Alex K | 13/03/2013

Can anyone name some small cars that would fit in Whity's future garage? I would think that even a small car would be tight in such a small space.

TeslaTap.com | 13/03/2013

A third-party electric folding mirror, which I can't imagine would look very good, has another problem - the Tesla FM and AM antennas are in the mirror housings (FM on both sides, and AM in the passenger side). Likely a replacement would require dumping both antennas. Might not be important to some, but another consideration.

Captain_Zap | 13/03/2013

And 3G is there too.

lph | 13/03/2013

If you are getting a Pano roof for the MS. Install a small gantry crane to lift you out and away from the car. I will be fun!

Jackie425 | 14/03/2013

Whity: I live in the Netherlands and I agree 100% with your problem. We also have similar norms for the size of cars and parking spaces etc. for them. The Model S is wider than those dutch norms. I hope Tesla take this into consideration when they design Gen III.

My solution: Keep the baby Jag so that when I go to the Dutch cities I can actually fit in the parking spaces but buy the Model S so that I can push the EV dream.

Have you tried to crawl out via the boot of the car ?
Not very elegant but might work ;-)

Brian H | 14/03/2013

You need to call in the Mythbusters: "Let's go blow some stuff up!"

Whity Whiteman | 14/03/2013

I take the S. I do not buy an very expensive appartment with a garage that small- no way. With the Model S a new Garage will never see any kind of exhaust- so it's a kind of a mens living room- it needs to be bigger than a slippy Garage...
F.e.. I need to place some "Bauhaus"-Furnitures by the car and wooden floor with rubberstrips for the wheels...like the deliverystreet at Tesla )

TRex | 14/03/2013

Hallo Whity
Talk with the owner of place no.1.
Remove the fence between you boxes.
Let him back in and both of you have considerably more room to open your doors!
It is at least worth asking.

cloroxbb | 14/03/2013

If you have upper body strength, you can install a hanging pull up bar of sorts, right above the sunroof, pull yourself out of the car in the garage :)

or climb through the hatchback...

Honestly, I would just find a different place because with that tiny clearance, how are you going to plug the charger in?

Whity Whiteman | 14/03/2013

I never had the wish, to build a livingroom for a car..!
But with the S this could change..getting mad here.
No Oil, No exhaust- but Internetconnectivity and 7.1 Sound.
That's top..
Question: Will there be a patch for watchimg video in the S, at least in parking mode. It's just software, isn't it?

Runar | 14/03/2013

Ah.. suddenly I get an urge for a new garage! :-D

With two EV cars, when the Model S is here.. why not?
Demolish our current garage, expand what we can, add a floor, pool-table etc. :-D (just have to carefully sell this idea to the wife)

gregv64 | 14/03/2013

Btw, I do fold my mirrors to get into my garage every day. I don't get out of the car, though, I can lean across and reach the passengers one from inside. Do I wish it had power folding mirrors? You bet. However, I forget the inconvenience the second I get on the road and still look for opportunities to pull the car out of the garage.

I park a little to the side to have room to get out the driver's side. Passengers get out before I pull into the garage.

Whity Whiteman | 14/03/2013

greg, I bet Your Garage is at least 2,60meter

info | 14/03/2013

Whity,
This may not solve your problem, but it brings up a point that might be clarified by others who know a lot more about electricity. Tesla tells you NOT to use an extension cord. I'm not sure if this is because the length of the charging cord is optimal, or because they are afraid that you will use some substandard cord which will cause the car to charge inefficiently.

My outlet is on the back wall of my garage. In order to use it, I have to put the nose of the Tesla almost against my washer/dryer and stretch the cord to its limit, or back in. Backing in is a pain, so I've opted to move the outlet. In moving the outlet I was going to simply use the line that comes into the wall and pull 20 additional feet of wire. I don't see any difference between this and an extension cord, assuming the cord has the same wire guage.

Finally, I'll get to my point. The Tesla locks the charging cable in the car when the car is locked. You could park outside and run an extension cord out for charging, if there is not some technical difficulty. Obviously, everyone doesn't have a garage and many cars are left in the street overnight. Not an ideal situation, but I'd rather have the car and park it outside than not have the car.

Hans (Amsterdam) | 14/03/2013

Maybe you can park the car outside. I think the car wouldn't mind.
Use the garage for fitness exercises ?

Whity Whiteman | 14/03/2013

Ok, good ideas, but not possible... I would park on public ground and- it's not realistic.
I think, the recommendation to not use an extension cord is because of the missing wideness of cross section in the cable... to much heat is coming up and a fire could occur.

Whity Whiteman | 14/03/2013

so, if You use extension cord, watch out for a thick fat cable with maximum "cross section" (is this the right translation für the thickness of the wire?)

gregv64 | 14/03/2013

Oh, yeah. The inside of my garage is bigger, so that's fine. I was responding to your comment about folding the mirrors. My garage door is almost exactly the same size as yours.

Unfortunately, folding the mirrors doesn't help when it comes time to get out. Measuring in my garage with the car in it, I would think that 2.5 meters is about the minimum to realistically fit the car in and be able to get out. As you say, 2.6 meters to be comfortable (mine's even slightly bigger than that, so I can fit a small amount of stuff alongside the car leaning against the wall).

Unfortunately I believe your garage is too small.

djm12 | 14/03/2013

The Smart EV should fit just fine.

jso1123 | 14/03/2013

Does anyone know if this is the standard measurement for European garages? I'd be interested to know if this is just an isolated issue or not.

Thanks!

Whity Whiteman | 14/03/2013

just have a look into the "Garagenverordnung" (Garage-regulation).
Minimum size have to be
5m x 2,31 (open parking spaces)
5m x 2,5 (Single Parking Spaces)

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garage

quotation:
"Die Stellplatzgröße beträgt mindestens 5 m Länge und 2,3 m Breite (links und rechts weitere Parkplätze) bzw. 2,5 m Breite. Ebenso werden Zufahrtsgrößen, Kurvenradien, Fahrgassen usw. festgelegt."

So, the Garage I talked about is brandnew, theoretical illegal
(2,31m in single parking space). But with 2,5 m it would not be possible as well, to get out the car.
I'm searching for infos, what a "normal" garage has be, but this mentioned measures are minimum requirement!
I think, in most cases it is not an issue, but sometimes it is.

gregv64 | 14/03/2013

I think at 2.5 meters you could just do it, but you'd have to angle the car slightly after going through the door so the passenger door was closer to the wall (passengers would need to get out before entering). I had a garage in a rental in Australia like that with a Ford Falcon (which is about Model S sized). Not sure I'd want to do it every day.

Note that if the garage was only 5 meters long it would be really tight being able to close the garage door as well.

The car is big, no doubt about it. By far the largest car I've owned.

jbunn | 15/03/2013

At marina supply stores they have white rubber wheels, about 5 inches in diameter. These are intended to mount on the corners of boat slips, so if you hit the corner, the boat rolls, and does not scrape the side of the dock. Set them at mirror height, and they will pop your mirrors in. You might want to put a spring behind it if you get too close to one or the other.

Cirion | 15/03/2013

I'm really happy that I bought a new house last year...

My apartment had a parking garage, and my spot was 2.0m wide 4,7m deep.

My new house came with a mancave of a garage. 7,5m wide and 6,5m deep. Should be enough for my Tesla, the Honda CBR and a pool table :)

Vawlkus | 17/03/2013

The major concern with using extension cords is heat buildup. The longer your cord, the higher its resistance, the higher its resistance the more it builds up heat, the more heat you have, the more likely you are to start a fire where you really don't want one.

There's also the concern of getting an extension cord with the correct gauge of wire inside so it can handle the power you're putting through it.