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Outlander PHEV Vs Model X

Outlander PHEV Vs Model X

A lot of buyers outside of the USA have already opted to buy the Outlander PHEV over the Model X as it is either available now or in the next few months in both RHD and LHD. 4WD, 120kw of electric power, 50km of electric only running with petrol back up, good value for money.

LuchoFC | 06/01/2014

This car is a hybrid, is not even close to what the Model X should be and it will not start delivering to the USA until 2015

Roamer@AZ USA | 06/01/2014

If you want a very complex machine with a smokestack I suppose this would be a good buy.

Can't wait to get my X. Pure, simple and clean. Hard to beat that.

Epley | 06/01/2014

If you can afford the X, go for that. You will not regret it. I'll never go back to an ICE or hybrid as long as I have the Tesla option.

BjörnF | 08/01/2014

I've recently driven the Outlander PHEV and i'm actually thinking of buying it since it's a pretty good deal here in Sweden, if you lease it. Probably 250$ less on a monthly basis compared to the diesel version if you include the fuel costs. Some comments/"facts":

1. The engine starts under hard acceleration, probably because the battery can't deliver enough power, or to save the battery. There's also a bit of a delay when the engine starts and revs up, that and 0-60 in 11s equals no ev-grin.

2. The engine also starts when it's cold, to heat up the cabin. And there's no EV mode to force it to use the battery only. But to be fair, we drove 4-5 km in -10 C (14 F) and then engine only started when we accelerated hard. So it's probably not a big deal if you have the car preheated.

3. It's a permanent 4WD car when it uses the battery, BUT, you have to use a "4WD" button to force this when the car runs out of battery power. This is probably because the gas engine can drive the car directly so they want to save gas in that mode and not force it to charge the battery if it's not needed.

4. Not the prettiest car in the world although somewhat better in real life that in pictures.

5. Electric range of 30 miles NEDC, i'm guessing more like 20-25 EPA/real life. A Swedish magazine did a test, winter, mostly city driving, 0C/32F or so, and they got around 25 miles with the AC off for the last 6 miles.

It is a good family car though, lots of space, 4WD. Nice security features like the automatic emergency brakes:

http://www.euroncap.com/Content-Web-Article/42f2a851-5ad9-484d-8297-9c3f...

It's no Model X though, but it's also ~35 000 $ cheaper then the cheapest Model S. And there are no superchargers here in Sweden, and there won't be for quite some time if you happen to live in the northern parts of the country.

For me, it would be something to use until the Generation 3 crossover which i'm guessing is 3-4 years away here in Sweden. Perhaps we'll have more charging possibilities here by that time as well.

BjörnF | 08/01/2014

Maybe i should have added that i would have a Model S if i would have lived in the US, and perhaps two if i lived in Norway :-)

Miggy | 08/01/2014
bernard | 12/01/2014

To me, the whole idea about electric car is to actually save money. I drive about 70 miles a day. Just the gasoline alone, I can save a lot of money; let alone there are quite a lot of public free charging stations in Southern California. Also, I don't like the hybrid, as you still have to do oil change and a combustion engine to take care of. The most attractive aspect from Tesla is their battery and range. If Nissan Leaf's batter can hold up to 300 miles, Tesla would be in trouble. IMO

Brian H | 12/01/2014

Not really; that would add $20-30K to the Leaf's price, especially at their cost/Wh. Only TM can afford to make big batteries ATM.

Low CG | 12/01/2014

Just posted a plug for the Model X on Mitsubishi's forum:
http://www.myoutlanderphev.com/forum/index.php

Low CG | 13/01/2014

Si.

Miggy | 15/01/2014

The Tesla Model X maybe a better car but as it is not available any where in the world at the moment and the fact that the Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV is for sale now in a lot of countries and has already sold over 20,000 cars to date.
Good test and stepping stone for EV buyers around the world until the Tesla Model X is available.

Danni E | 17/03/2014

Ever since I test drove the Model S I've been wanting one so badly, but in the end, I actually settled for an Outlander PHEV for now (just ordered, haven't taken delivery yet). In everyday use, I will be able to use it pretty much as a pure EV. I'm thinking that in a few years, when the Model X is available and there are superchargers here in Sweden, I can switch to that (as long as the government hasn't changed the tax rules for electric company cars for the worse by then).

One comment to BjörnF though... You wrote:

"3. It's a permanent 4WD car when it uses the battery, BUT, you have to use a "4WD" button to force this when the car runs out of battery power. This is probably because the gas engine can drive the car directly so they want to save gas in that mode and not force it to charge the battery if it's not needed."

This is not true. The petrol engine in the Outlander PHEV doesn't directly drive the wheels (parallel hybrid mode) until you reach speeds over 120 km/h (this is to extend the top speed of the electric motors - it's using a fixed gear, so it couldn't engage at lower speeds even if it wanted). At lower speeds when you run out of battery or just need more juice, the petrol engine will only be powering the generator and the electric motors are the ones powering the wheels (serial hybrid mode). This means that the car is actually AWD all the time even if you run out of battery power. The "4WD" button is only used to force the car to direct the same amount of torque to the front and rear axles, thereby simulating the behavior of a regular 4WD car with a locked middle differential. I can't for the life of me understand the point of this button - the car should be able to figure out on its own what torque needs to be used front and back, in my opinion.

BjörnF | 18/03/2014

I've actually asked some questions about the 4WD button to our local Mitsubishi dealer but i didn't really get a good answer. I agree with you, that button should not be necessary if the software is doing what it's supposed to do.

Might add that i've also ordered the Outlander PHEV, i should be getting it in May-June.

I'll lease it for 3-4 years and perhaps the Tesla Generation 3 crossover will be released by then :-)

BjörnF | 18/03/2014

Might add that for me, the Outlander PHEV is more of a ok but not great, big 4WD car that gets my family from A to B then a "i really want this car" type of thing.

The Model S wouldn't be the right car for us and the Model X is a little bit to expensive. I'd rather put my money on other things.

As i've already mentioned, the Gen 3 crossover will probably be perfect for us, or perhaps a used (3-4 years old) Model X if the price is right.

BjörnF | 18/03/2014

@LuchoFC:

"This car is a hybrid, is not even close to what the Model X should be and it will not start delivering to the USA until 2015"

Well, it's a plugin-hybrid and a lot of people will be able to use it as a pure EV (or close) for their daily usage. Me f.e.

But i agree with you that it won't be close to the Model X. I can't think of one thing that it does really great, even though i bought one.

The price is not the only problem with the Model X though, there are 0 supercharger stations in the northern part of Sweden and i believe that there wont be any until the Generation 3 is released.

Miggy | 07/05/2014

Outside the USA this is now the best selling PHEV in the world and the only 4WD SUV.

Miggy | 18/06/2014

Passed one today on the motorway, put down the windows to hear any sound and it was great to hear just wind. It must have been in full EV mode. looked down to see I was still using 11 Litres per 100km of Petrol/Gasoline as I passed this PHEV.

Sin_Gas | 18/06/2014

Comment on the 4WD button that locks the center diff. I had a car with 4wd that had such a feature. When the snow get deep, I am talking a foot or more, and you want to go up a 20% grade, the button locks the center diff and the traction is definitely better than any other more. Not sure if that car had limited slip on both axles or not. For pure traction and pulling, nothing beats locking down all the differentials, as long as you are going straight ahead.

Sin Gas

Sin_Gas | 18/06/2014

I wanted to add that I read that the Mitsubishi PHEV 4WD is hung up in California (and everywhere else) over some sort of technicality and it cannot be import for several months/well into 2015. At the moment,its not an option. The article suggested that the state was trying to protect jobs at Tesla, a California Company. Ha Ha Yes instead of getting the brunt of the stuff Tesla has put up with in the law suits over being able to sell their cars via "apple stores", they finally catch a break.

Sin Gas

Red Sage ca us | 18/06/2014

According to this January 2014 article, Mitsubishi had an issue with the batteries being supplied to them and that halted production for five months.

PAULTAN - Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV – US debut delayed to 2015

Sales in the US were delayed because they needed to catch up on a backlog of orders that have been made in other territories, and the popularity of the vehicle is increasing exponentially everywhere else. So there was no conspiracy by Tesla Motors or the Great State of California to prevent sales of the SUV Hybrid here at all.

A more recent article from May 2014 does bring up regulatory issues though.

TRUCK TREND - Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV Delayed Again Over New Regulation

Since it is a hybrid, California regulators requested that monitoring equipment be installed to gauge the degradation of charge in the battery. They feel that loss of battery range will effect the amount of emissions the vehicle outputs over its lifetime.

Meanwhile, the SUV is selling well everywhere else and Mitsubishi plans to add capacity to service the US in 2016.

Miggy | 28/06/2014
Danni E | 06/08/2014

A comment on your comment, Sin Gas, regarding the button to lock the center differential:

The Outlander PHEV does not have a center differential. It has all electric AWD just like the Model X: one motor on the front axle and one on the back axle. The button is only there to simulate a locked differential by telling the car to apply equal amounts of torque with both motors. That's why it's unnecessary. It's all just in the software, and the software should be intelligent enough to figure out the best torque distribution for optimal traction anyway.