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Who do you think won the debate last night?

Who do you think won the debate last night?

In your opinion, who won the Democratic debate last night?

I got excited to hear just a few words about making a clean electrical future (we can read into it everything we hope and dream about the proliferation of electric cars.)

Same question, regarding the Republican debate.

SamO | 15/10/2015

FEEL THE BERN!

jojim | 16/10/2015

Bernie has not received the credit he is due from the mainstream media outlets, IMHO. While he does come off a bit like a grandpa at the Thanksgiving dinner table, pontificating to the room, his passion and knowledge about the issues remains largely ignored, while his campaign contributions continue to soar.

Mand | 16/10/2015

You guys must be kidding. Sanders is a self-avowed socialist...
You are fools if you believe the crap these people utter. The Democrat Party is the party of slavery, as it has been since its founding. Democrats don't want to help you; they want dependency...people who will be slaves to government handouts, and thus slaves to those holding power (them). If they were so generous and really cared about others, Democrats would give more of their own money to help those in need, but they don't (study after study shows Dems are far behind other political parties in charitable giving).

Democrat socialism and other leftist ideals have led to more genocide and misery than any other political system. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot killed at least 50 million. The Nazi's were socialists, and of course killed millions of Jews. Even in the US we had genocide at the hands of big government...mostly Democrats. The Democrats were responsible for the removal of my Indian ancestors from Cherokee land, even after we won our case at the Supreme Court. Andrew Jackson and other Democrats forcibly evicted us from our lands, leading to the Trail of Tears. Another Democrat, FDR, used an executive order to imprison thousands of Americans simply because they were the wrong race. Democrats also founded the KKK...and continued to elect KKK members well into the 20th Century. Senator Robert Byrd was a KKK member, and was still elected to office by Democrats as late as 2010. Byrd once said "I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds." It is shameful that anyone would support a Party with such a legacy!

Worse, its fool hardly to believe that somehow the big government Democrats will be better at solving your problems than your State and Local governments. After all, the Federal government does such a good job, right? What makes you Dems think people in the Federal government are better than those in Maine, NY, or PA? You probably all applaud independence movements such as the Ukraine, but ignorantly continue to vote for more centralized big government control in your own country. Mark my words, the day is coming when you you'll wake up and say "where did my freedoms go?" And for those how have bought into the “anti-capitalist” movement, you are all hypocrits. Unless you are someone like Gandi and have given everything you own away, you are a capitalist. Every person who seeks to get the best paying job in his chosen profession, buys a car at the best price possible, owns private property is a capitalist. So spare freedom loving Americans your self-righteous arrogance…you are all capitalists, and not even bright enough to know it. And if you are open minded, read about how Hitler and his fellow socialists came to power...sounds very similar to the Democrat "progressive" movement.

Mand | 16/10/2015

And a final thought...not a word I've said is inaccurate, yet I'm sure some of you will flag this as inappropriate. So much for freedom of speech, huh?

donaldmeacham1 | 16/10/2015

Mand ++

finman100 | 16/10/2015

oh please.

Mel. | 16/10/2015

Mand, nice post.

Captain_Zap | 16/10/2015

Way off topic.

Ted_Denney | 16/10/2015

Mand +1

Nicoletta | 16/10/2015

I think both Hillary and Bernie were good, but I'll give the edge to Hillary. Very painful to watch that Lincoln Chafee 'the dog ate my homework' moment.

Homebrook | 16/10/2015

Mand isn't off topic. He's saying nobody won the debate, and that nobody ought vote for anyone in it. He made a pretty good case.

buddyroe | 17/10/2015

Mand +100

What I got from the debate was that it was a contest to prove who could give the most handouts.

I really feel sorry for black people in America. They got sucked right into the dem's govt plantation through all the handouts. It has basically destroyed their community and they keep right on voting for the dems.

Compensating people without requiring them to work destroys them - it removes all incentives to work, but worse it kills their will to subsist/survive and soon they believe someone else is responsible to give them what they need to survive - ultimately, in the end, all that's left is a broken person with a broken spirit (and a broken community). Just sad to really have no purpose in life and no pride in who you are. Every inner-city in every democrat-run city is full of poverty and crime, yet the dems NEVER look at the results of their policy and say, "my God, what have we done." Nope, they see the terrible mess they made and say it's because there wasn't MORE socialism. Just nuts.

The really bad thing now is that dems are openly socialist and the repubs are openly liberal. Very few conservatives left in our country.

“I have never understood why it is "greed" to want to keep the money you earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money.”
-Thomas Sowell

nitishkaushik84 | 17/10/2015

Hi there .

Red Sage ca us | 17/10/2015

Methinks some people need to read my high school paper on 'Capitalism vs Socialism, Democracy vs Communism: What's the Difference?'

Brian H | 18/10/2015

it's foolhardy ...

adoh2010 | 20/10/2015

Am I the only fool who would vote for either Trump or Sanders? Anyone with a strong will for some radical change and an agenda to end the a**-kissing of China is welcome. Just look how high the import taxes are on American products in China VS how low the import taxes on Chinese products over here. Also, good-and-bad news, as of 2014 there are more Chinese middle-class than American ones. So, China is no longer that poor country that can only afford terrible Geely cars and imitaion iPhones. Also, keeping in mind the obsession-level fascination of the American culture in China, our products will sell! Not even mentioning the disrespect of copyright laws and weak enviromental regulations. Either get China to lower import tarrifs and increase the price of its products by respecting copyrights and lowering emissions or jack up Chinese import tarrifs like they do. Both cases will yield an explosion of jobs and "make America great again" and "end poverty and reduce the wealth gap".

Democrat or Republican, they are making us bend over to China for no reason. With more military spending than the next 10+ nations combined, the reason can't be that we're scared right?

Grinnin'.VA | 20/10/2015

@ Captain_Zap | October 16, 2015

>> Way off topic. <<
^^ Yes, but hyperpartisans can't resist the urge to smear the competition.

@ Homebrook | October 16, 2015

>> Mand isn't off topic. He's saying nobody won the debate, and that nobody ought vote for anyone in it. He made a pretty good case. <<

^^ The debate was about who would best represent the Democratic Party in the 2016 presidential election. It's irrelevant that Mand and you consider all of the Democratic candidates inferior to your favorite candidate. Therefore, you are wrong.

SamO | 20/10/2015

OMG . . . +1 Grinnin'.

Red Sage ca us | 21/10/2015

The ephemeral 'Middle Class' is just as nonexistent as 'Family Values'.

johnse | 22/10/2015

@buddyroe
Compensating people without requiring them to work destroys them - it removes all incentives to work, but worse it kills their will to subsist/survive and soon they believe someone else is responsible to give them what they need to survive - ultimately, in the end, all that's left is a broken person with a broken spirit (and a broken community). Just sad to really have no purpose in life and no pride in who you are.

That is what "everyone knows", and as in most such cases, it's pretty far from the truth. There haven't been a lot of studies around this, but the ones that have actually been done show quite the opposite.

There is no intrinsic good in having to work to get the money to buy food and pay rent. However, providing a basic guaranteed minimum income to everyone removes a lot of stressors, encourages better education, more time with family, and more business creation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINCOME

I know a New York Times best selling author who has won multiple Hugo awards. She was unable to transition to being a full-time author until the ACA (Obamacare) made it possible for her to get insurance without being employed by a corporation.

Since being able to leave her day job, she is sleeping better, in better health and writing more (she is routinely publishing four or more novels per year, plus many short stories.)

sbeggs | 28/10/2015

Who do you think did best in Republican debate tonight?

pooles | 29/10/2015

Mand +1

sbeggs | 29/10/2015

Was surprised that in many polls, Trump won by a large margin.

I didn't feel that way at all.

To me, Rubio and Christie were most articulate, serious and focused.

Debate questions were often frivolous, I want to hear questions and answers focused on national debt, corporate tax rates, entitlements.

SamO | 29/10/2015

@sbeggs,

Kasich and Rubio looked like adults.

At least Christie believes in the scientific method.

David N | 29/10/2015

Mand is pretty much spot on.
Buddy roe hit the nail on the head.
The Democratic Party today is not the Democratic Party our grandparents knew.
The Socialistic/Marxist ways of the current Democratic Party are to create a 51% population receiving some sort of federal assistance. I believe we are currently in the 47% range. Once people receive a check for doing nothing, it is very hard to give that up, hence, that party has their vote for a lifetime.
Democratic Party is way off on social and moral issues. They are "tickling people's ears".
Back to OP, I'd like to see Kashich and Trump. But I feel Trump is eventually going to say something that the media will grab onto that will be his downfall.
On the Democratic side I don't care for the road their on. It's a slippery road that does not end good.
I'd like to hear from a Candidate with a Liberatarium take on how our country should be run.
In the end, both Democrats and Republicans have a lot they can improve on.
Trump has appeal because he speaks his mind, not the "party line".
With all our faults we still live in the greatest country on earth. Let's make sure we don't let that slip by.
God bless America!

Captain_Zap | 29/10/2015

The Republican Party isn't the Republican Party that our grandparents knew either.

SamO | 29/10/2015

#FeelTheBern

Mike83 | 29/10/2015

Eisenhower won the debate and he wasn't there.
What a bunch of sad politians. Happy to have left that embarrassing party.

spacevertex | 29/10/2015

I read Mand' post and here is my humble opinion.

Too often we associate issues with the political parties who advocate for them and the issues get tainted in the colour of that particular party, rather if we as citizens within any borders around the world, disassociate the issues from the party and judge the issues impartially only then the true merits of the issues and solutions can be debated.

Freedom is a broad word, very broad indeed, even the cavemen had freedom but only within their own territory and social hierarchy. So freedom in any which way is not absolute, much less so in today' world with complex socio economic & geo political realities.

Disassociate the issues, judge them on merit, else its a thick jungle, one will lose the way quiet easily.

Grinnin'.VA | 30/10/2015

@ David N | October 29, 2015

>> I'd like to hear from a Candidate with a Liberatarium take on how our country should be run. <<

^^ You're welcome to your own political preferences.

However, IMO the tone and biased content of your post demeans both politics and Tesla's forums.

Grinnin'.VA | 30/10/2015

@ David N | October 29, 2015

>> I'd like to hear from a Candidate with a Liberatarium take on how our country should be run. <<

^^ You're welcome to your own political preferences.

However, IMO the tone and biased content of your post demeans both politics and Tesla's forums.

RedShift | 30/10/2015

Funny thing is, whatever this Mand is saying and Buddyroe, etc,

The other side might say very similar things too!

Do they not realize that? I mean, I look at the republican candidates and not one comes across as remotely worthy of my vote!

So, feelings are mutual Mand. No matter how many +s you get, I am sure there are a lot of folks critical of the republicans too.

SamO | 30/10/2015

+1 RS

cweber | 30/10/2015

Hillary was the clear winner of that mess..

RedShift | 30/10/2015

I'm not saying Democrats don't have issues. I want a credible alternative.

Trump, for a while seemed like able. (Gulp!)

They are all good for emoting and populist noise making. If you parse the substance, there is just.... CRAP.

And the looney tune verbiage is enough to put off any thinking Amercan. I would hope.

I don't agree with everything Hillary says she wants to do, nor have I agreed with everything Obsma did.

I'd love to vote for a credible third alternative.

Mike83 | 30/10/2015

The con artists and their levels of con explained.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/opinion/springtime-for-grifters.html?r...

Mel. | 30/10/2015

Mike83,
Is Broder your other favorite at the Times

Red Sage ca us | 30/10/2015

There is a difference between Freedom and Liberty, too.

MountainVoyageur | 31/10/2015

The most disturbing thing to me about the debates has been the callous disregard for the truth shown by so many of the candidates. They will, evidently, say whatever they think will further their cause (whether or not what they are saying has any relation to the truth). Way too many of the candidates spouted things that they either knew, or should have known, are false, I have to wonder:

Did they truly not know that they were spouting falsehood? If so, they are too dumb to run for dogcatcher, much less POTUS.
Did they just not care whether or not they were speaking the truth? If so, they are disqualified -- we certainly do not want a POTUS who does not care whether or not he/she speaks the truth.
Did they deliberately lie? That, too, is obviously disqualifying.
If they are so truth-impaired in a 2-hour debate they all spent a lot of time preparing for, then what will happen if they get elected and have to propose and/or implement policy/laws? Will that, too, be illogical and divorced from the facts?

The debate reminded me of the old joke:
Q: How do you know when a politician is lying?
A: His lips are moving!

The above does not pertain to just trying to interpret facts to make them look good -- it only pertains to things that were blatantly in error. The above also not pertain to all of the candidates, but it pertains to far too many of them.

The second most disturbing thing to me was how many of them obviously did not know what they were talking about and therefore spouted nonsense. I'm not talking about ideological differences, but about proposals that are not even close to being realistic.

Once again, the above comments do not apply to all of the debaters, but they do apply to too many of them.

--MV

hcwhy | 31/10/2015

The more debates I watch, the better Lucy Lou looks.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/08/29/rabbi...

hcwhy | 31/10/2015

The more debates I watch, the better Lucy Lou looks.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/08/29/rabbi...

priustech | 31/10/2015

I'm not for Trump or Bernie. However equating Nazis and socialism using nebulous historical references and half truths is not accurate. You mean to say that as a whole members of the Democrat party, or Bernie, would advocate for those issues in the past? You seriously think a significant percentage of the population is "anti-capitalist?"

You make good points in people who think they are opposing Capitalism are in fact capitalists. However, on a philosophical level, how can you expect people of this persuasion to do otherwise? It's impossible. And this whole nonsense of handouts and people not working is far overblown.

As a side note, if you could define Capitalism strictly, it is the one system that has been the most effective in generating wealth. I think what people have issues with is perversion of the system, fraud, inequality, etc. Some of these are fair arguments, and utilizing ridiculous associations such as "Nazis" demeans appropriate course of debate on policies.

Red Sage ca us | 31/10/2015

MountainVoyageur: Lying, during political campaigns, is... a strategy. That strategy allowed Mitt Romney to get more votes in the last Presidential Election than any Republican candidate in history. Oh, wait... But he lost the election, though... Uhm... Nevermind.

sbeggs | 11/11/2015

No Fox Business network, so I didn't see it.

Did you? Any opinions?

SamO | 11/11/2015

Bernie won the Republican debate (on Twitter . . . again)

#FeelTheBern

Dofpic | 25/11/2015

Mand +1000
Capitalism is the unequal spreading of prosperity. Socialism is the equal spreading of misery.
Winston Churchill

Remnant | 26/11/2015

Politicians should not be able to buy votes and they can only do that by promising perks to voters from the public treasury.

Therefore, I'd say the moochers should lose their right to vote in the elections for the government they mooch, by subsidies, wages, welfare, or any other form of payment, including tax relief.

Grinnin'.VA | 27/11/2015

@ Remnant | November 26, 2015

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Remnant | 27/11/2015

@ Grinnin'.VA (November 27, 2015)

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