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Model 3 Web Browser

My understanding is that the Model 3 do not have a web browser. My question is why not? I can think of countless times I'm in my car watching videos on my phone and would be nice on that screen of the Model 3. Also, camping mode and some movies or YouTube videos. NOW we're talking!

Any insight or thoughts on this?

EVRider | 14/07/2018

You can’t watch videos on the Model S/X browser, so having one in the 3 wouldn’t help. The Model S/X browser is pretty lame, so you’re not missing much.

blunt2544 | 14/07/2018

I don't understand why even in camper mode Tesla can't push out a Flash compatible web browser or something similar to watch videos on while camping.

From what I heard the model S & X web browser is horrifically slow. Why is that?

MSMS75D | 14/07/2018

@blunt2544 - Since their launch Both Model S & X used an Nvidia Tegra chip for their MCU (2012 tech). In March they switched to a faster x86 64bit processor which was a significant upgrade.

I took delivery of my Model S in June. The new MCU is super responsive and the browser blazing fast. At some point I hope they enable flash among other features...

andy.larkin | 25/07/2018

The only thing that makes me nervous about a web browser in a car is downloading a virus or hack game of some sort.

cornellio | 25/07/2018

I don't understand why we need a web browser on that screen. No a good idea. Do we really need a the temptation of watching videos while driving? Nope. Better to have less distraction.

By the way, flash is an old, dead technology that's slow and power hungry. Most video sites have gone to html5 by now.

CharleyBC | 25/07/2018

I'd like a browser too, of course. But since Tesla is paying for our data use, I can see that they would want to limit it. Maybe the browser only works on WiFi, not LTE.

Also for safety, the browser could reasonably be disabled unless the car is in Park.

dalesmith1962 | 25/07/2018

Flash would be a no go. A flash-enabled browser would be a hacker’s wet dream.

gm_xeon | 25/07/2018

My guess is they have a contract with AT&T covering what they can and cannot use the internet connection for, or some kind of overall bandwidth limit they need to stay below. By limiting what uses bandwidth in the car, they probably got a better deal with AT&T. Streaming video is very high bandwidth, and as we all know it costs a lot for unlimited smartphone plans. With Tesla aiming to charge approximately $100 per year for premium, which is less than $10 per month, that's absurdly cheap for an unlimited data plan so I have to imagine there's caveits.

Stayfocus | 25/07/2018

They could make it that the web browser is only active when connected to wifi... something is better than nothing

gm_xeon | 25/07/2018

@Stayfocus yeah I was more so referring to video, but your comment also applies for video. I don't see why Tesla would not come out with a browser on the Model 3 eventually, I think they're just a bit behind in software development, they did rush the software when the Model 3 started being delivered anyhow.

dalesmith1962 | 25/07/2018

Stayfocus | July 25, 2018
“They could make it that the web browser is only active when connected to wifi... something is better than nothing“

If the browser ever has access to the internet (would it be a browser otherwise?) it makes the car vulnerable to hacking. I have no need for a browser on my touchscreen when I have numerous orher devices that do have a browser.

The risk is too high to have a browser in the cars OS.

dalesmith1962 | 25/07/2018

cars = car’s

dalesmith1962 | 25/07/2018

If Tesla were to build a separate and isolated CPU just to run the browser it would be much safer if not completely safe. But would it be worth the extra expense?

blunt2544 | 26/07/2018

Why are we talking about a browser not being safe? I'm talking about having the ability when parked or camping. If you're trying to browse while driving then I think you're looking for trouble.

Odd how adding a browser even while parked is somehow dangerous

lightlysaucedpenne | 26/07/2018

Having a browser dramatically increases the attack surface of the whole system, unless the browser is completely sandboxed, and is on an isolated memory/os from the rest of the car's systems. It will inevitably have some vulnerability that can be exploited and infiltrate the rest of the car's software if it's all on the same system. It would have to be added extremely carefully if at all.

pulsar2612 | 26/07/2018

The danger is that you accidentally download a virus while you're browsing and parked and it installs itself and goes to sleep. Then you start driving and the virus wakes up and does nasty things.

I dunno, i feel like if you threw the browser in a jail, there's limits to what it could do. Especially if the system wipes the jail frequently or uses a Chrome OS type verification system.

But ya... i don't really see the need or point of videos. Just bring a tablet or a laptop... the LTE is free for us, but someone's gotta foot the bill for video watching.

Better would be if they could get some kind of in-car screen casting. Watch the videos on your phone but cast the display to the in-car display. Then you're the one paying the data, and any and all viruses stay safely on your phone.

Stayfocus | 26/07/2018

Lets not forget that there is a browser in the other 2 cars that tesla makes..... I dont think it should be an issue to install an updated one the model 3

blunt2544 | 26/07/2018

@stayfocus +1

If you're not going to put in a full browser. A youtube extension would be safe and a nice feature while the car is in park and for camping. There is so much more this car can do, I just hope that it comes sooner than later

g.newell2 | 21/08/2018

@pulsar2612 "Just bring a tablet or a laptop... the LTE is free for us"

That's my plan; but I'm uncertain how to do it. My goal would be to use my model 3's LTE to avoid using my Verizon cellular data. Can anyone walk me through the process?
BTW, I took delivery 8-15-18.

bradbomb | 21/08/2018

To my knowledge, you cannot make a hotspot with the Model 3's LTE

CharleyBC | 21/08/2018

Yeah, I asked about using the car as a hotspot a while back. Can't be done with the current software. And I doubt it will be done with the currently available data plans. Hotspot opens the door to potentially huge data use; why would Tesla pay for this for us? Maybe someday they could offer it on a pay basis though.

I haven't tried, but I assume the reverse is possible. Make your phone or tablet a hotspot, and connect the Tesla to it if you need it to be on Wi-Fi away from home.

deezeela | 21/08/2018

I would like Model 3 monitor has a HDMI connection, so we can watch videos / movies using external devices when in camper mode / parking.

rxlawdude | 21/08/2018

@CharleyBC, yes, using your phone or other device as a hotspot allows the M3 to connect to that WiFi. This can be handy in areas of poor ATT coverage where your carrier has a stronger signal.

japhule | 21/08/2018

Elon recently tweeted that online video would be a feature upgrade in v10 when someone asked him about being able to watch Netflix and other online videos while parked.

g.newell2 | 21/08/2018

Thanks guys,
Using my phone as a WIFI hotspot seems to be the answer. I'll try it out (after I take care of my 'Honey do' list)!

djharrington | 21/08/2018

Watching videos would be great, but I’d be happy if it was locked down to Netflix/Amazon Prime/Hulu apps, rather than through a browser. Less vulnerability and I have no use for the browser. I’ve had it in the S for years and never come up with a reason to use it over my phone.

mknewman | 13/09/2018

What about something like AppLink that most other car companies support?

ONI222 | 13/09/2018

As a security specialist (I do penetration testing) the worse thing to do for a computer on wheels is to give it a web browser.

If my model 3 gets a browser I will be running every trick in the book to find security holes and submit them to Tesla.

M3BlueGeorgia | 13/09/2018

Would be nice, using BT, to cast to the screen from my phone.

However, no sweat otherwise. We already have web browsers in our pockets.

kcheng | 13/09/2018

Obviously security is an issue; and as someone else mentioned, I'm sure the carrier Tesla is using is giving them a bulk rate for specific types of data. Streaming video would likely cost them alot more. Given all the other options one has to watch online video, it would seem to be rather redundant, not to mention safer to let it be.

On my Volt, I put some movies on a USB stick, and the kids can watch on the 8" screen, when in Park mode.

japhule | 13/09/2018

The browser is coming to the Model 3 with version 9 based on latest leaks.

https://electrek.co/2018/09/06/tesla-new-autopilot-drive-to-nav-feature-...

mikes | 18/09/2018

Camping and watching video's in your car? I don't know about you people. Camping is going outdoors and doing stuff so when you come back to your car you only want to sleep. I use my car to drive! The hot-spot would be nice so my daughter can get online while driving and be entertained on long drives.

billlake2000 | 18/09/2018

ONI222, "penetration tester". Ooh la la.

holdthataway | 18/09/2018

Take this for whatever it’s worth, but during my test drive of the Model 3, my Tesla Sales Rep told me that the car would serve as a WiFi hotspot someday. I would love this if it’s true, though I haven’t heard any confirmation of this elsewhere. Maybe they’ll wait to roll this out till some of us are paying $100 annually for the data plan. Don’t care about a browser in the car so much. The video streaming and video games could be pretty great to pass the time while Supercharging though!

csinger | 19/09/2018

Well, if it's possible to jack-leg a browser into a model 3 I'm going to find out. Don't try this at home kids, I'm a professional- but also hold my beer.

I've already executed various probes on the wifi. Next step is to get a microcell and sniff the traffic.

Are you scared yet? You should be.

Jack_B | 03/10/2018

Absolutely terrible idea to allow any software on this vehicle to talk to any system outside the mostly isolated Teslaverse. NOOOOOOOOO. Those that made the decision in Tesla to push this browser upon us even though your good engineers are telling you "bad idea" - May you spend eternity in the fourth plane of Hell. History says that no one can write a safe web browser, and no significantly complex piece of software withstands persistent attempts to exploit or subvert it. If you're convinced you can or the team you lead can, your ego is in the way of progress. Please help us all - McDonald's is hiring, you're in the wrong profession.

What is the point of adding a browser? Entertainment revenue & ad delivery revenue streams? It will definitely and significantly increase the attack surface. Support the local library. Check out Computer Science and Security books. Read.

It's bad enough (though convenient) that our pocket computers that can make phone calls have browsers, and what person that either drives or would be a passenger in a M3 wouldn't have a phone with a browser? Seriously. Are we suffering from lack of time on the Internet? ZOMG MUST... LOOK.... AT.... CATZ/SPORTZ. Sure, the car will eventually be able to drive itself with little to no human intervention, but you don't have to become a TV watching zombie.

Current top attack vectors for most computer systems:
* Email
* Browser
* Mail something on a USB stick.
* Internet-facing Service.

I consider my life to be sacred, and expect you see yours similarly. Though admittedly extremely naive (look at our affect on the environment..), why not consider those things that our lives depend on, like the M3 OS, as sacred as well. We need to stop and consider what (arbitrary internet content) we're inviting into the temple (browser and car OS), why we're inviting it, and how to see and what to do when we accidentally or intentionally let something in that disrupts the harmony.

There will be lots of "We told you" in your future.

pko.888 | 03/10/2018

You guys know that the S and the X have had browsers for years, right?

djharrington | 03/10/2018

And mine has gone unused (with the exception of testing how slow it was) for 3 years

CST | 03/10/2018

One word... Sandbox.

YongGaoHD | 15/10/2018

Knowing how connected we are when we drive a Tesla, internet safety is definitely a concern. I agree with Jack_B, web browser may not be a good idea after all. Mine does not work anyway, after downloaded the version 9 ;-)

rbrown3rd | 17/06/2019

I live in an area that is prone to severe weather. I use my web browser to display live weather radar for my location and locations I travel to. I think it adds another level of safety by allowing me to see bad storms before I drive into them. I use Actiontiles to create dashboards that are compatible with my Model 3 display.

blonde | 17/06/2019

Web browser on Model 3 is fine IMO. I enjoy using it...

Daryl | 17/06/2019

I tried to use the browser to log into my bank account and use credit card points to reserve a hotel recently while traveling. I couldn't get it work right. Some buttons didn't show up or were unresponsive. Finally had to break out the iPad to make the reservation.

So the web browser may be based on Chrome now, and it's a lot better than it used to be, but it still needs some work.

alisse | 17/06/2019

I take the train everyday to work. I use the web browser regularly to see if the train is on time, or late. Not a big deal now, but in the dead of winter, one extra minute in my cozy Model 3 is totally worth it. Obviously I can use my phone for this, but with heavy coats and all that, it's way easier just to hit the favorites on the screen. I love it.

gmkellogg | 17/06/2019

@alisse, I've done this before as well, although I don't take the train daily anymore.