Will an External SSD Drive work with Sentry
Yes, but must be formatted for FAT32. Also some drives take too much power and need to be powered separately from the USB port. More details here: https://teslatap.com/articles/usb-flash-drives-for-tesla-dashcam/#recomm...
Also dashcam features are for HW2.5 vehicles and later. If you have a HW2.0 car- then don't bother with a drive - it won't do anything, but Sentry mode will still work.
I use a USB drive formatted to FAT32 with my mac and set up the teslacam folder and it works well... the only problem is that it saves so dammed many photos that periodically I have to take the drive out and plug it into the computer and view and erase all of the movies that have nothing going on in them. Then I erase them and put the usb drive back in.
for music, I do use an iPod classic that plugs into the USB drive, but....
I took at 160 GB Ipod classic and upgraded it to an 240 gb hard drive and then plugged my iPod into the UCB port and of course, it is not recognized. What I did to get it to work is to command iTunes to enable hard drive use, and then erase the drive and the manually drop in all of my music until it was filled up. Since each AAC or MP3 has metadata encoded, the iPod keeps track of that and when you plug it into the USB connector (at least in the model X, the front USB drive, which are data enabled) the music shows up and you can sort by album, artist, song, genre, and other data. It works pretty well but I have not figured out how to do a playlist on it yet.
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@mbp11 - Good info. I do recommend 128 GB or larger, so you don't have to clean off the drive so often. With 128 GB, it should go a month or two.
No playlists yet for the USB connection.
@Tesla Tap How does the raspberry pi work? What is it's function?
@nipper2 - I've not set up a raspberry Pi configuration. The idea is to record the video into a Pi (a low-end CPU) that can then save the video periodically to a seperate location, eliminating the 1 hour recording limit. Other features might include transferring the video to the cloud or a local server when it gets a WiFi connection - similar to how BlackVue dashcams work today.
@Tesla-Tap have you ever reformatted an SSD from exFAT to FAT32?
@nipper2 - Yep, quite easy, but Windows built in utilities can't do it. There are several products that can do this. I use Paragon's Hard Disk Manager 15, which allows you to set FAT32. It will give you a warning that Windows doesn't officially support FAT32 beyond 32 GB, but you can ignore the warning. More info here: https://www.paragon-software.com/home/hdm-windows/
Another well regarded partitioning product comes from Acronis, but I've not tried it.
There are some free partitioning products, but I'm reluctant to recommend one I haven't tried, and most seem to be China based, which concerns me.
This is possible, but there are a few difficulties. You need to format it to the format Fat 32. It will consume energy, you can see in your documents the exact expense. Here I can advise Power Bank if energy consumption is critical, it will depend on your consumption.
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@TeslaTap.com, @lafunik Thank You both I purchased Sandisk 256GB and it had Fat32 on it. So now I purchased 1TB SSD and I will try and convert to FAT32 if I am successful I will than go for 2TB.
@TeslaTap.com I formatted the 1TB SSD to Fat32 BUT is says there is only 59GB available
@nipper2 - What says there is 59 GB available - the car or the PC you formatted it on? In either case, sounds like something is wrong. With a SSD, it may be you have multiple partitions? If so, delete the partitions and create one large 1 TB partition.
I've formatted 128 and 256 GB drives to FAT32, and I think the limit is around 2TB for FAT32.
@TeslaTap.com So I was wrong I reformatted the SSD from exFat to NFTS now I have to figure out how to format to Fat32. It's Saying I have 931GB but like I said I now have to figure out how to reformat to Fat32
Yep, the standard Windows utilities don't handle FAT32 on drives >32 GB. See my post further above on options to use to format FAT32. Perhaps Paragon or Acronis offer a trial version of their partitioning software (which does formats too). I know Paragon handles FAT32 on hard drives.
@TeslaTap.com Thanks I think I will check with Paragon
@TeslaTap.com Done! I found a free down Load AOME it took 10 seconds Thanks and was able to keep the 1 GB
I hope someone can tell me how exactly an SSD gets connected to the 3. I'm looking at this Patriot 2.5" 480 Gb SSD drive (https://www.frys.com/product/9621473?nearbyStoreName=false&site=frilandi...) and have no idea how it would be connected to the car. Could someone give me a clue? Thanks!
There are cases that may have a USB connection, but most bare SSD drives such as the one you selected do not. You really want a SSD that connects directly to USB like one of these: https://amzn.to/2LQu3LA or https://amzn.to/2E7jD46. Hope his helps.
Thank you very much. That is super helpful.
Is a Samsung 500GB T5 SSD over kill? Amazon has it on sale for $79.00. I just thought I wouldn’t have to worry about constantly erasing due to drive filling up. Thoughts?
500 GB has some advantages. I think you're talking about this drive: https://amzn.to/2lAqnkF
1) The drive size directly relates to lifetime. All flash drives fail eventually after X number of writes. The larger the drive the longer this takes. For example, a 512 GB drive will last 4 times longer than a 128 GB drive.
2) As for filling up, it's much harder to pin down, as everyone's Sentry mode records a different amount of data depending on what is happening around the car. A very rough guideline is each 128 GB of memory should last 1-2 months before you need to erased saved Sentry data. You can extend this by turning on the option to disable Sentry mode at home.
I also think this is a short term issue, as I expect Tesla to allow sentry mode to record round-robin so it never runs out of space for new video. Meanwhile, we need to clear off Sentry data before the drive fills up, or the dashcam stops recording. It could be 6 months or more before Tesla correct this, so having a larger drive is handy.
good advice from TeslaTap
Thanks for the help
TeslaTap, you wrote this early in this thread:
Can you explain that, please? I took deliver of my car 2 years ago (today!), a 100D MX, so I believe it is a HW2.0 car. I can turn the Sentry Mode on, see the icon on my screen and my app says it is on when I leave the car. But I have no idea how I would access video if I needed it (I think you are saying that a thumb drive won't work in my HW version?). I had the car in for its two-year service a week ago and asked 3 different employees there how to make the Sentry Mode work . . . . all of them said it would, but none could explain or show me.
For a HW2.0 car, Sentry mode functions like a HW2.5 or later car BUT you do not get the dashcam feature or any recording of activity to a USB flash drive.
Sentry mode will monitor activity around your car and if some one approaches without the fob, it activates the screen. If a locked door is opened, the alarm sounds and the audio system blares a loud sounds. There is no recording going (even though it says so on the screen). Think of it as a psychological advantage, as the thief does not know if it is recording or not and may skip breaking into your car. Still it may be wise to get a real dashcam. Here's my recommendations: https://teslatap.com/articles/ultimate-tesla-dashcam-guide/
Thanks TeslaTap! Now it makes sense to me.
Prior to Sentry Mode coming out I used to see notices of Calibred coming to town (from lilbean) and wrote to them about scheduling an installation . . . . but never heard back. I don't see those messages anymore, which makes sense, so guess I will contact them directly again to see if they still visit Seattle. I appreciate the explanation and your guide!
Can we use regular HD instead SSD? thanks.
@maungloo - Hard disk is not recommended. Vibrations can easily crash an HD. Also, you'll have to power it via the 12v accessory plug. The USB port only supplies about 2W, way below the power needed to run an HD. Even big SSDs are marginal on power consumption via USB.
Both SSD and HD have a limited temperature range, far narrower than that found in cars. See https://cammem.com/tesla/memory-requirements/ for more about temperature. Other sections may be useful to in understanding the different options.
I formatted an external ssd drive to Fat32 300GB , added TeslaCam folder and plugged it into the Tesla,but I still don't see the download bar on the upper right , any thoughts ?
Not sure what a download bar is. If you're not in park, you should see the dashcam icon. When parked, the sentry mode red icon (although this will appear even without a dashcam).
How did you format the drive? Windows has no utility to format any drive more than 32 GB. You have to use a third-party tool or a Mac.
If you format an SD card or USB drive using A Chromebook, it will format in FAT32 format.
There is some difference in the type of memory and the generation of USB 3.0, 3.1 and so on
I looked here: https://www.bestadvisor.com/external-solid-state-drives and as I understand it depends on the type of memory the way data is stored, does it make any difference
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Can anyone help me figure out what I did wrong ... I bought a SanDisk 128GB flash drive. Followed the instructions to format for a MAC but after everything was done, I am not able to create a new folder on the flash drive. I even tried to create a "TeslaCam" folder elsewhere and transfer it to the flash drive but it would not work.
@meowkitts - Did you format it for FAT? Here are specific instructions for the mac: https://cammem.com/tesla/preparing-your-drive/#preparing-mac
Unrelated, but be aware some SanDisk drives are too slow to record video. You'll get a warning about it if the car detects the drive is too slow. I've found the SanDisk drives slow down the longer you use it, so it may work fine for a while, and then stop working.
Yes I did. When I click on “get info” it says the format of the drive is MS-DOS (FAT32).
What external drive would be best to purchase?
I have a strong preference to SD cards with an adapter. I've not found any other drive that is rated for the vehicles temperate range, and only SD cards are available with high endurance needed for longevity Here's a list of adapters and memory I've tested:
Your formatting looks good and I presume the "TeslaCam" folder is on the root with the exact case shown? It will not work if your case is not exactly as shown. Another thought before you spend money, are you sure you have the dashcam feature? It's only available on the S/X made after 1-Aug-2017.
s anyone having success with "SanDisk 1TB Extreme PRO Portable External SSD" for Sentry / Dashcam storage for Model X? I know Samsung T5 is used and recommended by many folks here but I wonder how that performs as well given the fact it must likely have a bus power draw higher than 2W, which is supposedly the threshold Tesla set for Model X (vs. 5W~6W for Model 3 and Y).
I was about to order the Samsung T5 when I stumbled on the non pro Sandisk Extreme version at my local costco store. But when I did a little research I found out that the pro version had double the write speed, (1,050 MB/s vs 550 MB/s), comparable to Samsung T7 so that got me thinking and landed here!
@TeslaTap so the problem I'm running into is after I formatted, it won't even allow me to make a new folder so I can't make the TeslaCam folder on the drive itself. I also tried purchasing another card, I got the high endurance SSD and it did the same thing. I formatted as instructed and when I get to the new folder portion, it won't allow me to create a new folder.
And yes, I do have the feature. I just got my car delivered a week ago.
@meowkitts - That's strange. I'm not a mac expert so I don't know why it doesn't allow the creation of the folder name.
Ok, with the latest Tesla software in the car, you can now format and set up the folder from inside the car. Go to Controls > Safety & Security, and then FORMAT USB DEVICE. Hopefully, this will do the trick!
I picked the recommended Samsung 5t and partitioned off with 950gb dedicated to Sentry and the rest for my music. For some reason I remember seeing a post about that potentially causing issues, anyone have info if that is true still?
Oh I still have about a week before delivery so I am currently Teslaless and can’t try it out for myself till delivery day.
You just need to format it to FAT32. I highly recommend Paragon software for this, I'm a Mac user and it's been my trusted go-to for years. So worth the payment and I rarely pay for third party apps. I bought the software actually since my external hard drive (1 TB) refuses to be read and written into!! Which really sucked the first time I found out about it but oh well.
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"Yes I did. When I click on “get info” it says the format of the drive is MS-DOS (FAT32).
What external drive would be best to purchase?"
Hello @meowkitts, I recommend a seagate drive. Tried and tested... I have stored a decade's worth of memories, plus some web development stuff (hello https://www.bulldog-bbq.com/) in a couple of these. Just super reliable. Hope this random user's opinion would help to some degree! And I totally agree with @samanthasamantha, you need FAT32. I'm not such a know-it-all software guy myself so I don't know exactly why the thing works the way it does, what matters is that it works.
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