...Now we wait again for a response!
Lawrence O'Donnell: good segment for Tesla & the petition tonight.
105,015 July 2 11:15 pm CST
Offering the president a test drive is small thinking, big thinking is offering the President a car. The department of Homeland security just last month put out to tender the rights to build the next "Beast" the President's personal limousine. I hope Tesla bid on it, what a coup that would be, and with the amount of time the thing sits at VERY low speeds on almost universally short range trips or idled awaiting the president in case a rapid escape is necessary an EV would suit perfectly. Not to mention the lack of fumes or any combustible fuel adds security and safety factors not possible in an ICE.
Tesla deserves the ‘free flow of commerce’
Electric car manufacturer Tesla Motors wants to sell its prized Model S in as many places as it can, but a complex web of state laws made to protect local car dealerships is putting the brakes on their plans.
In Virginia, for example, Tesla has a gallery to show off its new car, but thanks to state law no potential customers are allowed to buy one there. The company is struggling with similar bans in North Carolina, Texas, Minnesota, and New York.
The relationships between car manufacturers and local dealers are old and entrenched. “Automakers book cars as sold once they leave for the sales lots and in return provide the retailers with financing,” writes Reuters’ Antony Currie. “Over time, the practice has been enshrined in laws across the 50 states.” With dealerships and dealership headquarters all across the country, their political clout is widespread.
“Think about how crazy that is,” said Lawrence O’Donnell in his Rewrite on Tuesday. “Think about it while holding your phone. Here’s an iPhone. You can buy it directly from the manufacturer, Apple. You can do that online at Apple’s website or you can walk into one of Apple’s beautiful stores, palaces of electronic temptation, and buy one over the counter, and chat up a Genius while you’re at it. Or you can buy one at Best Buy or all sorts of independent stores and online vendors. There’s no limit to how many different ways you can legally buy a new iPhone in this country. That’s the American way. Except when it comes to cars.”
Public frustration with Tesla’s struggles has found an outlet on the White House’s website, where a petition was started to “allow Tesla Motors to sell directly to consumers in all 50 states.” As of Tuesday, the petition exceeded the 100,000 vote threshold required to get a response from the White House.
“Tesla is as close as we’ve come to an automotive miracle,” O’Donnell said, “but it will take an even greater miracle for America’s hypocritical anti-free market state legislators and governors to stop using their regulatory powers to crush innovators who compete with the businesses that–through campaign contributions and, no
@Docrob - great suggestion.
But sorry I can't resist ...
...and the Secret Service has the perfect rear facing seats to monitor the area behind the car.
@amprealtor Shares are already up. I got in at 28. Hehe. :)
I think the petition to POTUS is one of the steps need to counter NADA/car dealers. We need a grass roots action to push the Feds to enforce the provisions of interstate commerce that would allow Tesla to sell autos directly to the consumer. May be we can continue addition signatures to the petition till we get a really large number. Not sure if that is possible. In the end, the government will have to listen to the numbers.
Elon Musk has to take that leadership role, may be start a PAC... raise funds directly from shareholders or even car owners on a voluntary basis. Use the funds to lobby the Federal Government, DOJ, etc to enforce the laws in this regard. Fundamentally, the POTUS is predisposed to support the BEV and other green tech. He is not a fan of the oil companies.
In the final analysis, it is up to Tesla to innovate its technology and production:
1. Optimize the design of the Model S/X and the invest in automation of its factory. Reduce supply chain costs. Economies of scale should bring the cost of P85 loaded to no more than $65k. Less for S85 and S60 (close to $40k). This will drive explosive demand. The consumer will vote with their money.
2. Range sells - Got to have the 500 mile battery. Folks will pay.
3. Supercharge deployment - Tesla needs to spend the 150k per station with 6 chargers - fast. Can install the solar panels later. 500 stations would cost just $75M. Would cover the interstate highways and major state highways in US and most of populated Canada. I figure they would be 75-100 miles apart.
4, Tesla has to continue improving the design to reduce weight with superior alloys (take off 1,000 lbs!) to extend range, improve handling, etc. They have to improve quality with issues like tire wear/alignment, door handles, door trunk alignments, and other quality issues.
5. Tesla has to add value with smart cruise control, park assist, collision avoidance, lane assist, etc. All without jacking up the price. Some of these price increases are being to be annoying.
Ultimately NADA will be swept in the dustbin of history with compelling products from Tesla priced for the mass market as well as hi end. I think Elon Musk is a force of nature, like Henry Ford, Edison, etc and will succeed.
106,263 8:40 am CST - We are in 6th position
Remember to copy and paste and send to state and federal reps on July fifth. Overwhelm their emails with the front page numbers of this petition.
Lets keep trying for more signitures. We are only 20,000 form the number 3 spot!
107,620 2:00 pm CST - 6th position (1,357 signatures since 8:40 am CST)
@ Dr. Bob Reinke, who is disrespecting the President? Are you saying that there is some specific, mandated way that we are supposed to refer to the President, and if we don't specifically refer to him that way, we are either disrespecting him or we are racist? That sounds a bit extreme, in my opinion. Did you feel this way when people called George W Bush all kinds of things? For the same reason I will never pledge allegiance to any flag as part of a nationalistic oath, I will also not let anyone tell me how to refer to my Prez - the one I voted for twice. We don't need the terminology police, do we?
@ Bubba2000, I wouldn't get my hopes up for a 500 mile battery. Elon has already said that Gen 3 will have 200 mile range, so if that's their long term strategy then there will never be a 500 mile battery. By the time Gen 3 rolls out, there will be a national infrastructure of superchargers that will be well within a 200 mile range. That's how they are going to keep the cost of Gen 3 down - give it a smaller battery which, by then, will be far cheaper to produce than today. I've seen the Model S battery (not sure which size) estimated to cost as much as $30,000-$40,000 in its current incarnation. Those kinds of economics would make a Gen 3 impossible.
As far as I've read, TM is most likely already at or below $200/kWh for the battery (e.g. $17,000 for 85kWh), leaving configuration/packaging cost aside. They order in the range of ~160-200M battery cells from Panasonic this year (for 21K cars), gives them a good position for price negotations on high volume deliveries. Just my guess.
@ tobi_ger, that's good news for sure and hopefully will make Gen 3 possible with a longer range.
Since automobile sales are regulated at a state level, what if anything can the President or his cabinet actually do in terms of policy to allow Tesla to sale directly to consumers?
For the record I signed the petition when it was around 20 thousand signatures. I am just wondering if anyone has any viable outcomes to getting the 100 thousand signatures level other than this topic getting national attention.
I believe there was a petition for the government to build a Deathstar that got over 100,000 votes. The White House officially responded and said no Deathstar.
That would be funny if the White House response would be "no direct sale". I would make my way from CA to join the picketing in the MS.
Our Petition has opened up a “Pandora’s Box”. 100,000+ signatures means the President has to make a decision or assign the Attorney General to discuss the judgment of determining the Constitutionality of interstate commerce. Whoever wrote the Petition was brilliant in their simplicity of the wording. The U.S. Constitution is behind the wording of the Petition.
Petition is Phase 1. I talked to the reporter at Bloomberg News today.
108,245: 7:00 pm CST : #6th on the Petitions. (5,402 signatures to being # 5)
" Tesla has to continue improving the design to reduce weight with superior alloys (take off 1,000 lbs!)"
Subtracting that much from the aluminum frame would leave metal the thickness of tissue paper, and not much stronger.
Oh come on. It just simply means there is a level of interest, and a feeling of right vs wrong. This in and of itself will not change anything much. But it will provide one more free view to the Tesla reality. Free advertising if you must. More people will know the name. I think the real guy to go after is Biden. As he travels the country all of us should offer him a free ride (test drive??) and lunch and a 30 min conversation on the wave of the future. Fire that guy up and there's no telling ...
I believe that Elon was setting a lower threshold for range on the GenIII. I don't think he would object if it got more.
Would love to sign petition since I am an owner of a P85, however not willing to give my info to the Obummer. Of course they probably have anyway (NSA)
The NSA programs
... Sorry, I was going to respond, thought better of it, but hit submit.
Glad they got 100,000! Yes the Death Star also got 100,000, but that was an awesome idea.
White house can't really do anything on this front. This is really a bully pulpit thing. Free publicity for a cause. So, we should save up those signatures and make another petition in 3 to 6 months to have him explain why nothing has been done. Then another again, and again. No point in taking it above the 100,000 point now.
The justice department can look at anti-trust implications, but pretty much the courts would have to weigh in. That would require an injured party. Maybe some lawyers could weigh in on that. I'm sure there are some on this forum.
I wouldn't count on "results" from this one action, but rather see it a beginning of the "consumer revolt".
Do not under estimate the dealers - they are in a bad position but definetly not caused by Tesla.
However Tesla has become the target for their failings. Figure 1 and 2 in the study belowhttp://www.justice.gov/atr/public/eag/246374.htm
show the dealers problem - up to 2000 new car profits and service profits were about balanced. Today the new car profits are gone... the dealers reacted by consolidating and jacking up the service cost. My sister-in-law just paid $500 for the first oil change on her new Honda Accord ( needs special oil ).
The current automotive industry with the dealer is clearly broken... not Teslas doing, but dealers are desperate and need a scapegoat. Don't under estimate someone who fights for survival, the gloves are off.
New thread. Cool. Old thread, cheers!!!
The fact of the matter is, we can't stop. All of you planned and vocalized your goals.
"Guests cannot have hot dogs and burgers until they signed the petition." I read that in another thread. Talk to your family. Give them a test drive before (before you've had any drinks, of course).
Zombie Friday? Is that what it's called? I swear being an investor in TSLA for the last year and a half is the best stock market training program I could ever imagine!
Back to the petition. I think at this point it's doubly important. Let's get a nice 50k buffer. Much like charging until you're 50 miles over your range buffer zone. We have nothing but time for the next four days.
Easy as pie. American Pie. Happy 4th!!!!!!
If direct Tesla sales are interstate commerce, then is that regulated by on the federal level?
If you buy the car in a store, then it is not IC. But Tesla does not sell cars in the stores. They will assist you in buying from the web site. That's IC. Except if you live in California, of course. It is like Texas saying that you can't order from Amazon because it's unfair to the Barnes and Noble stores.
If anyone knows of specific state politicians that are sympathetic to NADA and need to be informed about our petition, please consider posting their information at this thread:http://www.teslamotors.com/forum/forums/keep-momentum-elon-predicted-cus...
I would love to have a list of politicians (and maybe journalists) that need to be hearing from a bunch of us to make the point loud and clear :)