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Is AP and FSD really worth adding 16% to the price of the car?

Is AP and FSD really worth adding 16% to the price of the car?

My M3 order would be $51,000 without AP+FSD... $59,000 (+ extra tax) with it. Is it really worth it? I typically only drive about 15 miles per day around town, with an occasional 500-mile (each way) road trip thrown in. I use standard cruise control on the long trips, and it works fine for me. I like the idea of having all the latest cool tech, but $8000+tax is a lot to spend for the privilege. Any chance it would be cheaper in 2-3 years?

SO | March 16, 2019

I didn’t buy it in 2017 for 7k.

I didn’t buy it when it went up to 11k.

But i did buy it when I could get both for 5k this past week.

In your case for 8k and how little you drive, I wouldn’t buy it. But only you can answer that.

Will it be cheaper in the future? I didn’t think so a month ago. But then things change. It may happen again or it may not. I’m thinking it’s a bit less likely to be cheaper again in the future because of all the blowback from lowering it this last time.

jeff d | March 16, 2019

HA it would be cheaper in like 1 month if you had purchased a month ago... or many in a month or two the car and AP/FSD will all be $10K less. Sorry there's history on this subject...

That said, I can't comment on the new AP alone but the EAP is interesting because it's got some nice features but was it worth $5K? If you get stuck in traffic that alone may be worth the price. I could see SF bay area 101 at rush hour, I'd pay 2x that to get through the traffic every day for several years! The only way to get the best of EAP now is with the AP/FSD package. I don't think AP alone would be worth $3K for me.

jeff d | March 16, 2019

my $10K less comment was heavily sarcastic

calvin940 | March 16, 2019

@Bloob It's really subjective. Only you can answer that question for yourself.

RES IPSA | March 16, 2019

Just get the AP for 3k. That would be nice on your occasional road trips. FSD has a lot of features and is the future for new features going foward, but costs 5k.

It seems like you conscious of the price, so just spend 3k for AP.

Magic 8 Ball | March 16, 2019

It is worth 42% more than the base price but TESLA chooses to give it away.

RES IPSA | March 16, 2019

@Magic... I went all in and bought FSD yesterday for that extra 3k (I had bought the AP last week). I am a very happy M3 owner. Tesla's decision on their pricing was a generous gift, in my opinion

2015P90DI | March 16, 2019

I think the basic AP for $3,000 is just worth it. $2,000 to me would be the "right" price. It offers the reliable features of AP. The other features of EAP or FSD now, are more party tricks at this point. Any self driving the car does is so far from what a "normal" driver drives like. Fine on a wide open road with virtually no other cars, but we're still years away from FSD being practical. And that's aside from the fact that states may not even approve the use of it??? With the accidents that have happened, I think most may be skeptical to approve the technology until after it's had a good amount of time to prove itself. Based on the current performance of Nav on AP and how the car handles tighter corners, if I were being subjective, I personally wouldn't approve it the way it is. Absolutely 1000% needs a driver present. I was thinking of upgrading to FSD at the $2,000 price and did my best to talk myself into it. But ultimately decided, as I did with rejecting it for $3,000 at the time of purchase, that it would literally be taking $2,000 and throwing it in the trash as currently, FSD offers absolutely nothing over EAP. FSD today, since the change, offers a little more than the new version of standard AP. Should find a way to try Nav on AP and see if it's something you would benefit from as that's the primary feature that will be missing from AP. I still prefer to make my own lane changes since AP hesitates too long to make them and often times changes its mind mid change and jerks back into the original lane. So the auto lane change feature isn't a must have for me. The auto steer and TACC are the two things I still love and you get both with today's version of AP.

Just some additional insight to consider in making the decision that is best for you. Best of luck.

ERIC.cheek74 | March 16, 2019

If FSD comes to fruition, it is more than worth it. In my opinion, when FSD becomes fully functional, the FSD option will skyrocket in price and cars with this feature will skyrocket as well.

Mdoss | March 16, 2019

I’m getting ready to order my Standard Range Plus M3, and I think I will go ahead and add the $8000 AP/FSD. Maybe not the best financial decision, but then again, neither is a $40,000+ commuter car... Go big, or go home!

But whatever. Wanna get it now and enjoy these kinds of things before I’m too old!

richmond1508 | March 16, 2019

We purchased EAP on our first Model 3 and find that we almost never use it because we rarely drive long distance on freeways and it’s not all that useful for city driving. So on our second M3 I decided to skip it completely.

JCTSLAM3 | March 16, 2019

It depends on your personal circumstances. If you are the type of person to bank with your phone or tablet, likes to have the latest system, share photos on-line, get along with yelp and maps applications, if you are the type of person to use automation around the house, these features may be right for you. —don’t consider the cost.

If, on the other hand, you’re the type of person who has a hard time with keeping your files in the cloud, can’t find files on your desktop, have trouble keeping your phone and PC on the latest software revision. Don’t know how to install software on your PC, you may not fully appreciate the value of AP/FSD features and they may even be dangerous for you. Again, don’t consider the cost.

It depends on whether you like, embrace, and use automation. If you do, these are well-considered and fun-to-use features that are well worth it.

If you are not an automation oriented person, these features may anger you and leave you thinking that everything is wrong and not working. If this is the case, don’t get AP/FSD, it is not for you....

ODWms | March 16, 2019

If I had it to do over, I probably wouldn’t have bought it for the price I paid. Maybe I purchase the next car and if it were offered me for, say $2k or 3k for both, yes. But for my uses and experience, it’s not ready for prime time. I don’t seee that changing in the near future, but I could be wrong.

jeff d | March 16, 2019

I also concur with almost everything said by 2015P90DI. I too bring up the idea of maybe your state will make it illegal, maybe they won't. Maybe the feds will make it illegal, maybe the won't.

I don't agree on the comments about it's ability to navigate the road. I'm always pushing EAP to some very unique situations and it's been impressive.

I do agree that people need to clearly understand how to use this before they think it's just jump in with both feet, you'll be fine! There's nothing further from the truth. You have to be actively monitoring the car because while it does a good job it's still a baby learning to crawl. There's still a long way to go. Nothing better than an old man looking the other way walking a dog across a country road in your lane to make you question what's going to happen?!?! I didn't take any chances, I hit the brake!!!!

jeff d | March 16, 2019

Also don't forget you're driving around using their system is you preforming research for them. They may be giving the discounts because they aren't paying you for the data you collect for them. There may be some lawsuit someday where an owner decided that driving data is my property not Tesla's.

I think FSD is 3-4 years away still. At least from what I've seen. There are those that doubt it, but given there will be some sort of regulatory approval... there's no way this will get done quickly. Look at medicine approval times, this is at least as dangerous as medicine.

jeff d | March 16, 2019

Also don't forget you're driving around using their system is you preforming research for them. They may be giving the discounts because they aren't paying you for the data you collect for them. There may be some lawsuit someday where an owner decided that driving data is my property not Tesla's.

I think FSD is 3-4 years away still. At least from what I've seen. There are those that doubt it, but given there will be some sort of regulatory approval... there's no way this will get done quickly. Look at medicine approval times, this is at least as dangerous as medicine.

mannicarathanassis | March 17, 2019

I have added FSD, and use AP at least three times a week in my 13 mile commute in Chicago trafic.
To me it is worth the money, and I feel I am on the less affluent side of the Tesla owners demographic spectrum.

kevin_rf | March 17, 2019

For me, the EAP has been worth every penny. FSD at the fire sale price is an investment that might or might not pan out.

The new combo AP/FSD, you need both to take advantage of what was in the old EAP. It's worth the investment.

I say, min. buy the AP, but you do need the FSD to fully take advantage of the capabilities.

ODWms | March 17, 2019

By the time they get it right (I have no doubt they will), I believe FSD will be pennies on the dollar to what it is now.

Tesla has chosen to go the “buy it now because it’ll be much, much more later!” route to get folks to buy now. But think about it: there’s a reason they dropped the price so drastically low recently.

There’s also a reason they raised it again.

I love Tesla. I absolutely love my car, and will buy more. It’s addicting! I also believe in the overall mission. I’m committed to it. But I think it’ll be awhile — longer than is being admitted — before we see full self driving in its most truest form realistically implemented in any widespread fashion.

Bloob | March 17, 2019

Thanks for all the feedback, everyone! I will probably go with just AP for now, and put the other $5000 toward bathroom renovations. But I wish I could buy Summon a la carte, that would be useful for getting the car in and out of the garage.

Firaz.ashraf | March 17, 2019

Bloob - dollar for dollar - much much better to invest the first 5k in bigger battery than optional FSD. And again dollar for dollar, much better to upgrade bathroom

alexftsl | March 17, 2019

@bloob - Autosteer definitely is nice on long drives and tacc helps in heavy traffic but fsd I’d say only makes sense if you’re concerned about some future update bring hardware dependent (fsd should get you 3.0 hardware). Given your low miles it might make sense to skip altogether. Personally I took the plunge now that fsd is 2k - traffic lights and stops are worth it to me; EAP feels incomplete when it wants to run a light (I imagine different folk different opinions on that one).

alexftsl | March 17, 2019

*bring hardware dependent => being hardware dependent

Bloob | March 17, 2019

@Firaz -- I'm already getting the LR AWD :)

Mike83 | March 17, 2019

Yes

dgstan | March 17, 2019

I've talked to a lot of Model 3 owners (I work at a large tech firm and there must be over 100 parked there very morning). The general consensus is that if you do a lot of long commutes in heavy traffic, then AP is a life saver. Otherwise, skip it. Skip FSD altogether.

Personally, I want it because I'm a tech nerd, but I'm trying my best to not buy it. I have a 5 mile commute on streets that are similar to a demolition derby, so AP probably wouldn't work for me.

ndwolfwood09 | March 19, 2019

I went ahead and bought the discounted AP (2K) & FSD (3K) $5K package! While I still have 20 days on my trial... I had no choice as 3/18/19 was the deadline... darn you EM! *Shakes fist, could have waited till my trial was over! Also, you should also get a discount after the trial, $5.5K was it?

suddled | March 19, 2019

Totally worth it, don't look back. This car is the cutting edge of technology why not get everything it has to offer?!

mrburke | March 19, 2019

@dgstan - The company I work for is similar in that there are M3 everywhere. By far the most common car model in our garage@ San Jose California.