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Bolt, Leaf, and the Model 3

Hi Everyone,

I am a model 3 reservation holder (April 2, 2016...no invite yet). This past weekend my wife and I were talking about Tesla and electric cars in general to the point where she said she would be open to purchasing an electric car in the future (not a Tesla due to cost). I showed her pics of a Leaf and a Bolt and she seemed open to both of them.

My question is, could I use the charging cable that comes with the 3 and simply attach one of the adapters that come with it to charge a Leaf or a Bolt? Would I have to keep unplugging the Tesla charging cable and plug in the cable that came with the Bolt or Leaf?l to charge them? We will have a NEMA 14-50 for our charging purposes.

Thanks,

Pkalhan

dmaini | May 21, 2018

Get the new Leaf it is awesome!! Bolt is terrible.. it is a Korean car hashed together in a hurry!! Very uncomfortable sets and looks pretty ugly IMO.
Yes there is an adapter available and it should work!!
https://electrek.co/2017/06/20/tesla-j1772-adapter-electric-cars-destina...

slasher0016 | May 21, 2018

Tesla has a propriety charging receptacle, so even if you could find an adapter, it's probably a bad idea to use Tesla's cable with the bolt/leaf. If you want to charge both you're probably better off getting one of the level 2 charging stations that will charge both vehicles.

karmamule | May 21, 2018

I have a Bolt (and now a Model 3) and my opinion varies from dmaini's: I really like the Bolt and would encourage you to take a close look at it. Its seats are a problem for many (though I was surprised not for me despite being 6'2" and a heavy guy).

The adapters that come with a Model 3 are ones you put on a non-Tesla charging station cable so the Model 3 can use them, but they will NOT be something you can put on a Model 3 charging station to allow a Bolt to use it. The adapter that dmaini provided a link for is the one you'd need.

karmamule | May 21, 2018

Sorry, left out important last sentence in that first paragraph: Despite the seats' not being great, I still enjoy driving the Bolt and it's a good choice if you just want a simple commuter car.

vmulla | May 21, 2018

I own a Model 3 and a Nissan Leaf 2018.
I drive the leaf about 60 miles per day, and I can fully replenish the charge overnight on a standard 110v outlet.
For anything that requires more than 100 miles I use my Model 3. The leaf has a real world range of 150, but I limit using it to 100 miles to keep a buffer.

To answer your question, no you can't use an adapter on a Tesla cable to charge your leaf/bolt. But in real life situations you won't have to, your 110v outlet is fine. IF you consistently need more than 100 miles of range per day, you will need a second 220v charging setup for the leaf/bolt.

mark | May 21, 2018

Bolt, simply because of better range.
And Nissan has proven to be crap with battery technology.

dmaini | May 21, 2018

vmulla: You do realize that when you charge your leaf the rolling pumps are running and you consume 300 watts just on that out of the 1440W you put in the car per hour!! That is the most inefficient way to charge a EV especially the Leaf. You are better off using a 240V charger or doing this hack to your existing 120V charger. BTW it is 120V and 240V. Nowhere in USA is it 110V anymore!! Please look at this hack you are wasting a lot of energy!!
http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=16948

Pkalhan | May 21, 2018

@mark, that was going to be my next question. What is the battery tech like. I saw an article (did not read the whole way through) that stated that there are some things you have to watch out for when it comes to taking care of the Leaf battery (mentioned in the manual) and you do not have to worry about that kind of stuff when it comes to the Bolt. The article could have been a couple of years old and things could have changed since then.

Tuning In | May 21, 2018

I have a 2018 Leaf as my daily beater. We have a Model 3 with a second one coming as well. The Leaf is a great car for what it is and for the price. $35k with TACC is way cheaper than a Model 3, but it is cheaper for a reason so adjust your expectations accordingly. IMHO Every household should have one liftgate car for utility.

jjaroundtheclock | May 21, 2018

I have 2014 leaf and Model 3 and i put 2 charger together.
Leaf is good car but a local driving.
https://imgur.com/a/ndT5vEl

vmulla | May 21, 2018

@dmaini,
Ok. I'm trickle charging my leaf on a standard wall outlet using a charging device that Nissan provided. How bad can that be? What rolling pumps? I've done this for the last 4 years with my leafs (old and new), and it worked great for me.
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As far as Leaf vs Bolt is concerned, its a choice between space/comfort vs range. I chose the leaf because it and Model 3 complement each other to support or lifestyle. I just don't need 2 longer range cars, I'd rather have one less expensive more comfortable car with radar cruise control.

If someone needed range at a lower price point than the 3, I'd point then towards the Bolt.

mark | May 21, 2018

http://m.futurecar.com/2118/Study-Finds-Nissan-Leaf-Battery-Degrades-Qui...
I also find that the leaf has less reliable real-world range than the Model 3

dmaini | May 21, 2018

@vmulla. Sorry for the autocorrect issues ;) I am pretty sure I wrote cooling pumps (2 of them). They run continuously as long as the car is charging. So using a 30A charger will waste you the least amount of power. Enough details on the Nissan Leaf forums. Using the leaf charger gives you only 120V at 12A. Hope this clarifies.

ColoDriver | May 21, 2018

dmaini is correct about the adapter you need. And it does work with the Bolt. They are about $250.

I can say this with some authority because after renting a Model 3 (day 1 reservation holder waiting for AWD), my girlfriend decided to get an EV and bought a Chevy Bolt. We installed a Tesla wall charger, ordered the TeslaTap adapter and it works great adding about 30 miles of charge per hour to the Bolt on a 60amp circuit. There's no reason it won't work with the Tesla mobile charger or destination chargers as well. It won't work with Superchargers.

I don't agree with dmaini's view on the Bolt. It's no Model 3, but it's a surprisingly nice car, plenty quick, handles well, reasonably comfortable, good enough range, very quiet (less tire noise than the 3), and easy to drive in the city because of it's size.

Pkalhan | May 21, 2018

Hi All, thanks for all the replies, much appreciated. I was leaning towards the Bolt. My wife would only be using it for local driving...grocery store, work, and other errands. I guess it will come down to price but we are not in a rush right now as we currently have a CRV that she will be driving once we get the Model 3.

dmaini | May 21, 2018

@ColoDriver, I just find it not very good looking... also the rear bench is pretty narrow and you can only fit three kids at the back. The seats are uncomfortable all around. End of the day it is chevy!! not something I trust!! :)
They should have electrified the Volt.. that is a good looking car... why did they think EV drivers need a Micro Van looking vehicle??

jordanrichard | May 21, 2018

The problem with the Volt is the center battery tunnel which makes the interior too cramp and only 4 people could fit in it and that is being generous.

dmaini | May 21, 2018

Yeah they should have planned better when they designed the Volt itself!! They wouldn't have to sit and hash together a Bolt in a hurry!! Exactly like its name!! :) Yes the motor and battery are good. everything else is lacking. I would go with a leaf anyway.. I have Leaf 2014 and extremely happy with that. Tried and tested the Bolt for a few days. Now will probably get the new Leaf too at some point. after the M3

keydiver | May 21, 2018

I had a 2012 Leaf before my Model S, and the Schneider J1772 type charger that I bought for the Leaf works perfect for the Tesla, using the supplied adapter you will find with your Tesla charge cord.
As far as a Leaf purchase, a lot depends on where you live. Anyone in a hot climate should avoid them IMO. My Leaf had already chewed through 10% capacity of its SECOND battery after only 10,000 miles in Florida, before I shipped it off to Colorado. The first battery lost 35% by 40,000 miles!

jordanrichard | May 21, 2018

35% by 40,000 miles!!! I am at 113,000 miles on my MS and have lost 3%.