Can I Do This Trip?

Can I Do This Trip?

I know this might have been discussed in some other thread, but I couldn't find it exactly.

I am reservation P53 in Canada and I am wondering if the Model X suits my needs (will be a performance 85kwh). I drive less than 10 miles on a daily basis, but every weekend, I go to a secondary residence (cottage). I am wondering if I will be able to do this trip in 6 years time with these factors:


-120 miles exactly with few hills
-75 mph cruise control

Worst Conditions:

-Cold weather and snow (about -15 Fahrenheit)
-4 passengers with a lot of luggage (so heavy car)
-Battery degeneration after 6 years (say 25-30% degeneration)

Since the Model X is heavier and less aerodynamic than the Model S and that I don't want to use the full charge every time I make this trip to not deteriorate the battery, can I make this trip in 6 years time, in winter and with a heavily loaded car? I will be able to fully charge the car over the weekend once I am there, so this is exactly a 120 miles distance.

Thank you

synosik | February 13, 2013


I would like add:

-Snow tires
-Heaters/AC and radio ON
-Possibly high beams on (at night)

ghillair | February 13, 2013

I think that your trip is easy, as long as you have the ability to charge at the cabin.

The specs on the MX are not out yet but with a 85kw MS you could do the round trip in good weather.

Timo | February 13, 2013

At 75mph and after 6 years battery degradation with Model X in those conditions I'm not that sure that 120miles is enough. Model S could do that trip, but Model X is far less aerodynamic, so speed affects it a lot more. Drop the speed a bit and it should not be any problem.

Assume EPA 220mile range. Reduce 25% off = 154miles, add additional loss from 75mph = somewhere close to 130 miles, add cold weather and bad road conditions = 110-120 miles.

It all adds up fairly quickly.

Benz | February 14, 2013

First drive at 50mph, and keep an I on what is mentioned on your dashbourd-screen regarding the remaining miles that you can still drive. After about ten miles you should have figured out if it is likely (or not likely) that you will end up with much electricity left in the battery at arrival at the cabin (if you would keep on driving at 50mph). Accordingly you then can choose to drive faster (or not).

Brian H | February 14, 2013

Yep, drive slow at first, then faster and faster as you get closer!

synosik | February 14, 2013

So basically,

there are good chances that I will have to adapt my driving habits considerably (50mph on higher sounds ridiculous) or that in 7 years time, I may not be able to reach my destination...

that is a though risk to take!

Benz | February 14, 2013

@ synosik

"there are good chances that I will have to adapt my driving habits considerably"

Driving an EV requires a different approach than driving an ICE vehicle. Because both vehicles technically are just not the same. I hope that you will understand that. And that counts for all of us. There is this new kind of vehicle that we can drive in. And we just have to learn how to use it in a proper way. And that counts for all of us.

Brian H | February 14, 2013

Developments over 7 years are almost unguessable. TM won't make any predictions, really, about what may happen technologically to batteries in that time. They have a fair grasp out to about 4-5 yrs, but that's it.

jewelbox | February 15, 2013

The interesting thing about TESLA cars in general is that they are evolutionary so when time comes you will probably be able to change out your 85KWH battery for a more powerful one, albeit for a certain cost. But I suspect your range anxiety now, will be extended to much longer ranges in 6-7 years..... just my speculation. But sure you are betting on a different power source and therefore different driving experience, what ever that means to you. :-)

Benz | February 15, 2013

This new technology of EV's, is new to all of us. We have to learn to use it. And I am sure this new technology will benefit our lives, and it is good for our planet and for the future of our children (and their children, etc.).

Just think of the days when there were no mobile phones yet. And now think of today. What a difference, isn't it? Today we even have smartphones which allow us to have access to the internet everywhere and all the time! Isn't that just great? We just had to learn how to use this new technology.

Technological development is good for mankind. Accept it, for your own benefit. We all want to improve our lives. Even the people who yet are sceptical towards EV's.

jk2014 | February 15, 2013

Think of it this way, you are paying to no cost for all your fuel for as long as you own the car, the longer the greater the savings. More charge points will be put in place over the coming years so range will be less of a concern. By the time max range drops to the level of a leaf (about 75 mi) you'll probably have owned the car well over 11 years (average us ownership) and can travel across North America still. Maintenance bill would be extremely low compared to ice and fuel costs savings by that point would be mind boggling... Think of the life of your ownership and make a decision to purchase or not. If you buy, plan your trips over 100 miles round trip, regardless of weather. Anything under 100, drive without concern. Plug in at night and enjoy. That's all you really have to do for the life of your car.

It's going to be amazing to see the tipping point happen with this company over the next couple years as more people start to "get it."

synosik | February 15, 2013


Yeah, I think this car is absolutely stunning. And where I live, electricity is about 0.06$/Kwh, which makes this car an even better deal!

Usually, I never keep a car more than 6-7 years. I guess we all have to wait the range estimates of the AWD version and the degradation of model s after 1 year.

jk2014 | February 15, 2013

I just had a friend donate his 2002 Chevy Trailblazer (mid sized SUV like MX) because a recent maintenance visit was going to cost more then it was worth... And that was after normal use in Detroit area since they bought it new 11 years ago. Oil changes, tune ups, misc maintenance, and fuel prices (187000 miles at 18mpg) might be interesting to see how it compares to MX over similar time span. I'm willing to go out on a limb and it will be a better dollar for dollar deal.

Benz | February 15, 2013

The Tesla Model X is a better deal, in many ways. One should keep this EV for at least 12 years to really benefit from it. Every year that you drive in this EV (and therefore not in an ICE vehicle), will add up to the benefit (that you enjoy every year). In my opinion the Tesla Model X is more practical to have than the Tesla Model S is. Everyone has to decide for himself/herself.

Brian H | February 15, 2013

Go through the site to see much more info, and a comparison to any car you want.

jk2014 | February 15, 2013

Brian H --

Thanks for the site reference... I can't seem to find he MX comparison to other SUVs however...

stimeygee | February 15, 2013

Same question for me, except 150 miles. Thoughts? Sounds a little sketchy...?

Brian H | February 15, 2013

Sorry; the Model X isn't up there yet, basically because firm pricing and specs don't yet exist. But the principle--and principal!--are quite similar.