Can Model 3 EPA certification delay the start of sale?

Can Model 3 EPA certification delay the start of sale?

Anyone know if Model 3 EPA certification is on track?
Model S P100D start of sale was delayed a few weeks because of EPA certification delays.

JeffreyR | May 31, 2017

Yes, but that would be unlikely. Why? Because a lot is riding on the release of the M3, and Elon can have them test hand-built cars if necessary.

hmgolds | May 31, 2017

But are "hand built" vehicles eligible for certification?

ReD eXiLe ms us | May 31, 2017

hmgolds: Sure. There was a time when all cars were hand built. That is the claim to fame for Rolls-Royce -- doing things the old fashioned way. The EPA doesn't certify the build process, but the resultant vehicle.

Ford used to balance and blueprint Mustang engines, run them outside the car on a workbench, then rate them at 220 HP. The engines once installed in the car only made 190 HP and were 4.9 litres displacement... But they still got away with sticking '5.0' badges on the cars for years and years.

Captain_Zap | June 1, 2017


My Signature Model S was essentially hand built. The Model S was certified many months prior to my car's delivery.

Wildcardtaylortesla | June 1, 2017

Tesla is probably still tweaking the acceleration curves and that will affect the EPA ratings.

ReD eXiLe ms us | June 1, 2017

hmgolds: Yeah. Captain_Zap is correct. Automobiles are tested by the manufacturers themselves, under specific parameters identified by the EPA. Once the tests are done, the manufacturer submits the results to the EPA for publishing. The EPA then randomly selects vehicles to check if their test results in their own labs match what was submitted by manufacturers. That is how Hyundai got caught a few years ago for lying about the fuel economy of their cars. They were subsequently downrated and Hyundai had to pay fines.

"Hyundai, Kia agree to $360M mpg settlement

"Korean automakers Hyundai Motor Co. and Kia Motors Corp. announced Monday they have agreed to a record-setting $360 million settlement for overstating fuel economy ratings. The agreement ends the Environmental Protection Agency's two-year investigation into the automakers' overstatement of mileage ratings for 1.2 million 2011-13 U.S. vehicles." -- The Detroit News, 2014-11-03

LostInTx | June 1, 2017

To perhaps clarify the question, wouldn't the EPA's established numbers be derived from cars that'll share the same production process as those sold upon the product launch?

Wouldn't that eliminate the hand made cars as being the test vehicles?

ReD eXiLe ms us | June 1, 2017

tommy.blum: Nope.

Haggy | June 2, 2017

It could happen, and if it did, then Tesla would still build the cars. They would probably still ship the cars to the destination, but not deliver them until this is straightened out. Given the number of orders, I don't think the EPA would drag its feet. We wouldn't want people to start thinking that the government is inefficient.

KP in NPT | June 2, 2017

+1 Haggy. That's what they did with the 100D, right? Cars were shipped but not able to be delivered. I believe there was some chaos going on at the EPA at the time that might explain why there was a delay. ;)

ReD eXiLe ms us | June 4, 2017

I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with the 'manufacturing process' though.

jefjes | June 4, 2017

EPA? Didn't that agency get nullified by Trump and Pruit?

ReD eXiLe ms us | June 4, 2017

jefjes: Not yet. By the way...? Some of the things they claim to want to change are actually the purview of the NHTSA, not the EPA. Don't tell them.