Do anybody know if the center console design in the current beta version is going to be what is in the final production car? This is the biggest disappointment for me with regards to the interior of the car. That empty space in the center makes the car's interior look like a minivan and cheap in comparison to other luxury cars. I really hope this is not the final design for the center console.

Ohms.Law | March 20, 2012

Hmmmm. I'm in the camp that says let's wait to see what the real driver/user experience is (at least through our upcoming test drives) and go from there. I think TM is a lot smarter than I, so until proven wrong, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

In the meantime, there are all kinds of little after market gadgets like that could serve some purpose to little things rolling around at our feet. I acknowledge one shouldn't need such knick knacks for an uber expensive car, but there are lots of options like this.

S: P3422
X: P524

Ohms.Law | March 20, 2012

Oh, sorry, the aforementioned was meant in my mind to go on the floor in front of the "console", not on the dash!

Liz G | March 20, 2012

I wonder if what we are seeing here is typical 80/20 rule often applied by software engineers especially when they are in jeapordy of missing a deadline.

If you look at it from that view point it would make sense. They are delivering the most important (80%) of functionality you expect from a car with the first release. The outside looks great because that was the first thing they worked on thank goodness, before they hit some other snag that consumed resources and resulted in delays that then forced them to make compromises and resulted in the implementation of the old 80/20 rule.

Now this is shear guessing on part. But after seeing the car I person and comparing the car the design of the exterior to the interior, that's what it feels like to me.

Hopefully, unlike so many other software projects I'm on, Tesla will deliver most if not all of that remaining 20% in future releases of the car. But I think right now they are just trying to get it on the market by this summer as promised. And to do that they are having to minimalize the interior design.

This of course leads me back to my previous post, hoping that leasing is an option. And I think it will as there will be people out there that will want a Tesla but can't afford new so they will happily by an older version at a reduced price even with the lack of storage.

Volker.Berlin | March 20, 2012

Interesting thought. You could actually draw slightly different consequences from the same idea. Personally, I hope and expect that the car will be 100% when delivery to regular customers starts (don't care about the founders' series). But as we all know, getting the last 20% right takes 80% of the total effort, which would explain why Tesla *seems* to have made so little progress since the October 1 event.

Soflauthor | March 20, 2012

If a Center Console Accessory (CCA) is available upon delivery (even if it costs extra), I'll be pleasantly surprised. It would allow each of us to configure the interior to our needs and wants.

But realistically, I suspect that the interior will look pretty much like the betas at Santana Row. I'll still buy the car, because EVs are the future.

Once I've had a month or two to evaluate the entire vehicle (that includes the interior) I'll decide whether or not to modify the interior. @Volker.Berlin mentioned that buyers don't always know what they want. There's some truth in that, but I'd be surprised if my opinion of the interior will change during my evaluation period. For me, there seem to be many more reasons to recommend a CC than to opt for open space.

My best guess is that an additional $5K at a competent custom shop will enable me to configure the interior as I want it -- saddle leather with custom highlighted stitching, a custom center console (tastefully executed with appropriate storage space) and maybe a few other tweaks. For me, it's a 5 percent cost bump to get the car I want. I'm not happy about having to spend the money, but I intend to own the Model S for many years, and I really don't want to "live" in an interior that I'm not happy with.

BYT | March 20, 2012

I have to say that there needs to be a way to hide things inside the car that is closer to the driver then the glove compartment. If for no other reason other then to deter a would be criminal from braking my window on my Model S to get what I have sitting in the open space. Sure, bottle of water, gloves and chargers may not be something they would take the trouble for. But other things that I might have in my car would that I need access too. I live in a great neighborhood but drive and park in some less desirable area's. If you live in the Bay Area, you may have been a victim of a break in to your car at some point. I don't need much, just a little bit to hide some of what I have that needs to stay hidden, otherwise I love the open space as well for the other, essential stuff.

BYT | March 20, 2012

braking = breaking, add edit please for the love of God... :-D

steven.maes | March 20, 2012

Here is a thought. Perhaps TM should ship the first 5000 EV's outside the US(Europe first please). This way they buy time for the design of cupholders and a center console for the US market...

BYT | March 20, 2012

@steven, NOOOOOOO! OK, forget the center console, I don't want to delay my Model S, there, I said it! :-D

I'll come up with my own solution to my (in the scheme of things) is a minor issue, but again, I want TM to put out the best damn car out there to beat down any other car, ICE, EV or Hybrid! I don't want to sacrifice waiting too much longer for it however. Being P1,837, I've already waited a long while.

steven.maes | March 20, 2012

See, it's all perception. Suddenly it becomes a minor issue and model S is the best damn car out there :-)

BYT | March 20, 2012

Fine, you win the argument with me, THIS TIME... :D

steven.maes | March 20, 2012

I don't want to win arguments. :-)
I only want a model S (and X after that) and I want to find arguments against my reservation decision. So far there aren't any.

In a few months there will be production cars on the road. Then we will see if all promisses and theories are true... I hope they are ...

Mark K | March 20, 2012

Softauthor's sentiments are telling. He's boosting TM's mission with his stock investment, and purchasing because he believes in it.

And now he's reduced to consoling himself with backfill for what TM may not deliver. Putting enthusiastic customers in that frame of mind would be wimpy execution by a brand you really want to love.

George, you told some folks that TM will deliver a console option for those who want it. That's very good, and I believe will resolve this.

What's needed now is simply some good official communication on the website.

Just set an official design release date, and a planned delivery time. It's fine that TM will need some time to deliver. Couple that with a clearly stated policy for early purchasers and you'll settle it.

The longer people vent about the uncertainty, the more you diminish wonderful momentum with dissonance.

Be concrete amd timely with your messages, and you'll show TM's mastery of the marketing.

We want you to win.

Brian H | March 20, 2012

@Mark K;
Ahh, finally, the essence of the matter, distilled. Prezakly.

Designtime | March 20, 2012

Agreed Mark K. Said better than me.

Timo | March 21, 2012

@Kroneal, Vawlkus, I need ice scraper because I don't always have time to tell the car to start heating. I have ice scraper in end of the snow brush, but those usually suck so I have one smaller with metal blade which is much better. At ~-30C ice is hard and acts more like paint job in windscreen than sticky snow.

Brian H | March 21, 2012

Make your own de-icing solution(s):


Rubbing Alcohol
1 Open your spray bottle by unscrewing the top. Fill a third of the bottle with lukewarm tap water.
2 Fill the rest of the bottle with rubbing alcohol. Screw the sprayer top back onto the bottle.
3 Turn the sprayer upside down, then back to the upright position five or six times to mix the concoction. Spray the mixture onto your windshield. Use a light scraper to remove any tough spots still stuck to the windshield.
4 Unscrew the top of your spray bottle and set it aside. Fill the sprayer half full with comfortably warm water.
5 Fill the other half of the bottle with vinegar. Screw the cap back on.
6 Shake the bottle gently to mix the formula. Apply it liberally to the windshield. If the ice is really thick, add more vinegar to the mixture and try again.

Brian H | March 21, 2012

Huh. Looks like the automatic tag close with each para no longer applies. Oh, well.

Vawlkus | March 21, 2012

I'm in Canada Timo, -30 degrees C isn't strange to me ;)

Timo | March 22, 2012

Brian H homemade alcohol-based de-icing could actually work. OTOH you need to use stronger solution than 1/3 alcohol to prevent it from freezing (if you keep it inside the car), and you would need to swipe almost immediately after spraying, otherwise alcohol just evaporates and you get ice again.

...makes me think, if you drive the car and battery gets heated, you have rather large mass of heated material straight under the passenger compartment. How long would it actually take to cool the interiors to the point where 1/3 solution alcohol freezes in -30C temperature? It must be quite long time. If insulated properly it could take days to cool that to match ambient temperature.

Well, that's too OT for this thread. Cool possibility though (no pun intended).

dborn | March 22, 2012

-30C? That's why I live in Australia when much of my family migrated to Canada. I prefer to worry about the flies and heat. A cold winter in Sydney is +7C!!!

EdG | March 22, 2012

For those using the rubbing alcohol, note that for very cold temperatures you may need a higher concentration than BrianH mentioned. While pure isopropyl has a low freezing/melting point, the rubbing alcohol bottles from the store is usually already diluted. Check the bottle.

Crow | March 22, 2012

Real men scape the ice off with their fingernails. That's how we roll here in the Rockies. We don't think about gloves until it hits -25F.

Actually, I'll just park in the garage at home and work.

Liz G | March 23, 2012

That's what I use all those credit cards they send me in the mail. Pocket ice scrapers.

mvbf | March 23, 2012

I thought I might mention that the center console in the design studio now has cup holders and a place to store some stuff while maintaining a nice empty space in front of it. Everybody wins except for the really long legged person in back who might of used that empty space to stretch out.

ddruz | March 23, 2012

"I thought I might mention that the center console in the design studio now has cup holders and a place to store some stuff while maintaining a nice empty space in front of it."

mvbf, Where is the place to store some stuff? I see the cup holders like always but no closed storage to store some stuff. Where is the place to store some stuff you are referring to? Thanks.