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Climate Change Science is sound

This thread and topic was removed. Some good information is gone like the EPA removing Global Warming.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/11/21/air-pollution-exposure-linked-to-co...

This was discussed before in that Carbon Monoxide causes cognitive impairments. The new article above expands this.

jimglas | November 21, 2018

here come the trolls ....

SCCRENDO | November 21, 2018

Email Tesla and ask them to reinstate it like they did in the past

Tesla-David | November 22, 2018

Sad to see @Mike83’s long running thread gone. I have posted request to have it reinstated.

El Mirio | November 22, 2018

Here is a good summary how sea level rise plays out
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtxJFU9DgUhfr2J2bveCHkQ/videos

Mike83 | November 22, 2018

@Tesla-David I also emailed Tesla to reinstate it. Reminds me of the old 6000+ pages: Who pays for the Effects of Global Warming? Hopefully people are wising up to reality. Winds are shifting and Times are a changing.
Like heart disease and lung cancer who don't believe smoking causes it continuing their addiction except it is affecting all humanity as they continue to burn dinosaur remains .

MitchP85D | November 22, 2018

Hey silly sabby, you watching? Are you the woman in this video asking (and lecturing) Dan Pena about global warming?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlC02NsIt0

jimglas | November 22, 2018

dont feed the troll

Tesla-David | November 22, 2018

Zinke is a total SCUMBAG! He blames environmentalist for California fires. What a worthless piece of scum he is.

https://www.ecowatch.com/zinke-blames-environmentalists-california-wildf...

MitchP85D | November 22, 2018

Just as Harris County, Texas is taking measures to help minimize our flood problems here, you Californians need to clear the fire-prone dead vegetation around your homes! Listening to the Zinke interview from the TD link. What he says makes a lot of sense!

MitchP85D | November 22, 2018

Zinke frequently communicates with Gov. Brown. Hopefully, Zinke will talk some sense to Brown!

Mike83 | November 22, 2018
El Mirio | November 22, 2018

Harris County measure

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A significant portion of the bond also will be used to secure billions more in federal matching funds.
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https://www.texastribune.org/2018/08/25/Harris-County-flood-control-vote/

MitchP85D | November 22, 2018

You don't think California is going to get some Federal dollars for the fire damage?

El Mirio | November 22, 2018

Oh yes, i also think Texas should! Who do you think does more for prevention so less funds ultimately need to be spend, TX or CA?

I bet you all houses will be eligible to be rebuild along the San Jacinto River in Humble/Kingwood,TX.

You could compare Netherlands with New Orleans and their zoning restrictions. It should give you an idea why listening to scientist might be smart in the long run.

MitchP85D | November 22, 2018

Well, La Mira, that is about a big of an apples to oranges comparison as you can get! There is absolutely no objective way to figure out which state does more to for disaster prevention than the other. It just basically boils down to this. The more people and property there is, the more death and destruction there will be when a natural disaster happens!

El Mirio | November 22, 2018

Study Netherlands and explain how they are waisting money compared to New Orleans having a similar situation.

El Mirio | November 22, 2018

And they will rebuild in Kingwood/Humble,TX by the Jacinto River, which is a water relief area!

MitchP85D | November 22, 2018

The Netherlands experiences extratropical cyclones, but not hurricanes!!!! Huge difference.

MitchP85D | November 22, 2018

To get a loan to build a home in a flood zone, the homeowner will be required to carry flood insurance!

El Mirio | November 22, 2018

Flood insurance is covered by Fed in critical area (reg insurance didnt cover for a long time), state should take same approach as with medicare and not allow fed funding....

El Mirio | November 22, 2018

When i bought my house in Houston area, i specifically looked at the flooding maps and picked the ones which had a potential to hit me beyond 500 years. 4 years later, that 500 years flood hit.

Either i'm lucky, or i believe gov has been wrong in TX for a long time carving their policies. Your pick! They will let folks rebuild where they shouldn't.

El Mirio | November 22, 2018

Other states do the same bad decision, building where its not sustainable. In the long run the states which manage disasters or better avoid them will be ahead of the curve.

MitchP85D | November 22, 2018

El Mirio, are you still in Houston? Where? I'm just north of the Bear Creek area along West Little York, between Hwy 6 and Eldridge. How bad did your home flood 4 years ago?

SCCRENDO | November 22, 2018

Hey Weathermoron. El Mirio looks like a guy from Houston who understands climate change. 500 year flood zones are no longer 500 year flood zones because of climate change. As regards the Netherlands. They are already below sea level. So sea level rise with climate change is bad news.

MitchP85D | November 22, 2018

Hey SaSoB, check out the tide gages of The Netherlands. Their sea level rise is on the order of 1/2 foot per century. Nothing alarming there. Grand Isle, LA is showing about a 3 foot rise in sea level per century. This is due to the sinking swamps of Louisiana. Not global warming.

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends.html

SCCRENDO | November 22, 2018
El Mirio | November 23, 2018

@MitchP85D I lived in Atascocita close by the lake on an elevated area, didn't get flooded and don't believe that particular area could as rising water would go over the dam before it could reach that area.

I picked that area with purpose and considered only locations which were beyond a 500 year flood possibility.

Smart costal cities should rezone critical areas and retreat to higher grounds, if no private insurance provides flood coverage it shouldn't be a zone where you can build, otherwise it's nothing less than zoning welfare.

On the long run the cities which take proper action and consider extreme weather events to be more frequent will prosper more as they don't have to rebuild every 5 years.

i.e. Netherlands did rezone a bunch of areas and converted them back to natural swamp lands.

Tesla-David | November 23, 2018

We are running out of time to act on AGW! The last time we saw carbon dioxide levels this high our oceans were 20 meters higher than present.

"The concentration of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is now at 405.5 parts per million (ppm), or 146 percent of pre-1750 levels. The concentration of methane is now at around 1,859 parts per billion (ppb), around 257 percent of pre-industrial levels, and the concentration of nitrous oxide reached about 329.9 ppb, or 122 percent of pre-industrial levels."

https://www.ecowatch.com/climate-change-greenhouse-gases-2621280964.html...

MitchP85D | November 23, 2018

How about listening to the older brother of the British Labor Party Leader, Jeremey Corbyn. Piers Corbyn is an astro-physicist and meteorologist.

TD, Corbyn will tell you all you need to know about CO2.

Go to 41:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuoxLggqI_g

SCCRENDO | November 23, 2018

So he is wrong. He is a denier. What is your point

MitchP85D | November 23, 2018

The oceans contain vastly more CO2 than the atmosphere. That is the point. You think that is wrong?

SCCRENDO | November 24, 2018

Yes the oceans do contain more CO2 than the atmosphere. And they have a great ability to buffer CO2. But CO2 gets converted into H2CO3 which is a weak acid. We have overwhelmed the oceans with CO2 and this has changed the pH of the oceans from about 7.9 to 7.1. Although this may seem a small amount it is sufficient to destroy corral and cause irreversible damage to ocean life. And indeed it does not absorb all the excess CO2 that man is producing. The rest goes up into the atmosphere and is responsible for forming the greenhouse layer and hence global warming and climate change

SCCRENDO | November 24, 2018
RedShift | November 24, 2018

Trump’s own government says economy will shrink 10% and thousands jobs will be lost.

RedShift | November 24, 2018

Trump’s own government says economy will shrink 10% and thousands jobs will be lost.

MitchP85D | November 24, 2018

The average pH of the ocean near the surface is 8.1.

Mike83 | November 25, 2018

www.//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean_acidification
pH is the log of the hydrogen ion concentration which has decreased 30%. If you don't understand logarithmic scale then you need to take math before understanding sea water chemistry.
Misguided outrage is amusing but typical of conned people.

SCCRENDO | November 25, 2018

Indeed I stand corrected. It is 8.1 which is a 25% increase in acidification.

Mike83 | November 27, 2018

www.kare11.com/article/news/how-climate-change-already-affects-the-midwe...

Preconceived notions about Climate versus Weather sure get it wrong; ask the President and he can't comprehend the difference; I believe Inhoffe used the same tactic possibly promoted by fossil fuel pundits who stand to lose profits.

www.//carbon2018.globalchange.gov/downloads/SOCCR2_RIB.pdf

A big report that was hidden on Black Friday.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-met-climate-change-report-midwest...

More on local news is in the link above.

SCCRENDO. Thanks for the pH review. BTW decades ago the pH of seawater was 8.4 so the change is even more dangerous. The pH is different in various ocean areas such as inter-tidal, arctic, and at various depths. This really needs more study as the ocean provides over 50% of our breathable oxygen.

Mike83 | December 3, 2018

www.seattletimes.com/opinion/climate-change-report-a-real-bummer-for-nor...

Skiing industry is really hurting for years now and it is getting worse.
the old Climate Change Science is sound thread is not back yet.

Tesla-David | December 3, 2018

Thanks @Mike83, David Horsey is one of my favorite cartoonists. He always manages to capture the essence in his cartoons.

MitchP85D | December 4, 2018

Although the oceans contain 60 times more CO2 than the atmosphere, there are those here in the Tesla Forum who think the atmosphere is the primary driver of what goes on in the ocean.

The primary factor the atmosphere has on the oceans are wind-driven currents, i.e., the Gulfstream.

Mike83 | December 4, 2018

I like that guy David Horsey. Observant and smart.

MitchP85D | December 6, 2018

Well, the NSIDC monthly report is out. And it just does not fit the human-caused global warming narrative too well. Especially the part about the November snow cover over North America being the most extensive since 1966!!!

https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

Mike83 | December 6, 2018

Time to batten down the hatches. Maybe sandbags and a boat handy.

https://insideclimatenews-org.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/insideclimatenews.o...

MitchP85D | December 6, 2018

Hey Ozone Hole Mike, the snow and ice has been recovering quite dramatically since 2016!

http://www.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mas...

http://nsidc.org/greenland-today/files/2018/10/Figure3.png

Mike83 | December 6, 2018

Extinction event on the horizon. Animals cannot breathe as oxygen becomes depleted.
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/global-warming-tod...

Tesla-David | December 7, 2018

Wow. @Mike83, you beat me to your linked article from my paper the Seattle Times today. It bears repeating we are running out of time and the habitability of our planet is at stake, as the Permian extinction event 250 Million Years ago show, we are currently on a parallel track for a similar type of extinction event.

Mike83 | December 7, 2018

Yes. Tesla-David . It is hard to wrap my head around this. The delusion of brain washed Climate Change deniers is pathological.

Tesla-David | December 7, 2018

Yes it is hard to discern the utter stupidity of AGW deniers in the face of ever growing evidence that we are destroying the fabric of our planets biosphere. We have the tools to prevent the worse outcomes, and anyone who does not want to embrace a renewable energy future without fossil fuels is pathological in the extreme. I placed mitch in that category.

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