Dead Animal FREE Upholstery

Dead Animal FREE Upholstery

So far it looks like the seats covers are leather in all the photos. Any chance of a leather-free option for those of us who aren't fond of sitting on dead animal skin? How about the steering wheel?

Jaffray | October 7, 2010

There is a microfibre option available for the seats. I think you're out of luck on the steering wheel though.

Dan5 | October 8, 2010

I think I would prefer microfiber too- leather can be a royal pain in the butt. the dyes come off, water gets on it and makes the conditioner look funny. Microfiber is definitely the way to go

jkirkebo | October 9, 2010

I definately agree, no leather for me either. My current car (a VW Touran) has all the options available, except leather.

Timo | October 9, 2010

Preferably even removable covers so that you could wash them if possible, not just vacuum every now and then. Leather is not ideal material to wash.

dsm363 | October 12, 2010

I think no one knows. They won't release the details until probably next year sometime. Microfiber is an option on the Roadster so it will probably be an option on the Model S as well.

ahimberg | October 17, 2010

the Roadster Microfiber option still has leather, when I was close to leasing one they researched a completely non-leather option (none has been built so far). Hopefully the same will be true of the Model S, sure it will come at a premium

Timo | October 18, 2010

Missing one "not"?

Jaime Sue | November 6, 2010

+1 for wanting a vegan option. I love that the Fisker Karma has an Eco Chic, animal free interior option but I think the Tesla Model S is a sexier looking car. Leather only interior would send me back in Fisker's direction, though.

Hanaan | January 9, 2011

Luxury? Give me a car not adorned with dead animal skin. I realize most people are synthesized to it, but companies like Tesla should be ahead of the curve.
There are other ways to appeal to traditional hot-rod buyers, if that was the point.
I want this car more than anything and have the money to buy one. However, I don't think I can stomach gripping a steering wheel made of leather. Yuck. Gross. Dead. Give me another option, period.

Kallisman | January 9, 2011

Just wondering, isn't it better to use also the skin from the cows killed to make hamburgers etc, than to just throw it away? It is, after all, a renewable resource. Isn't microfibre usually synthetic made from oil? On the other hand, cows do make quite a bit of methane gas, which has same effect on climate as carbondioxide.

That said, I agree that Tesla should offer alternatives. We all have different taste, and there are no perfect options. I don't know yet what I want.

Dark_Elf | January 9, 2011

ehm.. why not wait till they actually are sure what options to put to the car ??

I am sure they are working on what to put as "standard" pretty much... why worry about it if its not even sure what will be extra ??
I am sure they are thinking of an alternative of the leather thing as well.. and lots of other stuff on top of it.

Lets just wait and see...

Rod Donovan | January 10, 2011

Micro-fibre? Man, if you ever sat on a micro-fibre seat, you would not be able to move. It clings to you like velcro. No, I say. Give my my cow and any other furry creature that is edible. How about suede seats, emu is nice, lizard, hmm, nope that cracks to easily. well anyway you get my drift. Remember, I belong to PETA - People Eating Tasty Animals.....Enjoy!

uc43 | January 10, 2011

Wow! A lot of folks here are really serious about stuff like this. I eat meat and I am seating on a leather chair writing this blog. I have never had to contemplate such simple and natural choices until now. Well, I guess everybody is entitled to their own choice of food.

I believe some animals were put on earth to be eaten because we need our protein? A lot of these animals also eat other animals so it is kind of like the way it is supposed to be....I guess. Anyway, so, if we eat the meat, should we not make better use of the leather rather than letting it rot? I believe that is called recyling and therefore responsible and eco chic?

Well, just saying. I eat meat so grabbing onto a leather steering has never been a problem for me.

Dan5 | January 10, 2011

At least for me, it's not about the animals, it's about cleaning the material. It's about cleaning, detailing and wear. In the cars that I've own here's how I would rate various interiors

Fabric - minimal wear (lasts a long time), if stained fabric cleaner, quick vacuum, lowest heat/cold environmental retention

Vinyl- medium wear, quick armoral, highest heat/cold environmental retention (black vinyl, hot summer day= not a good idea)

Leather- high wear factor (leather starts going south after around 100 K miles, just the nature of it) , leather cleaner AND conditioner, in the more supple leathers the dye comes off, high heat/cold environmental retention (black leather, hot summer day= not a good idea)

I'm looking at it from my own experience, fabric (microfiber) is all and all a better choice from my experience.

BYT | January 10, 2011

I have to agree that the leather in my Accord after 4 years is looking terrible and it bothers me! I didn't treat the leather as often as I should have, I admit that, but should we need to worry about that in our cars. I have enough stuff to worry about to be frank!

ckessel | January 10, 2011

Most (all?) cars I've had required leather if you were going to have heated seats. Not sure why exactly, but the two always come together. I'd like microfiber I think for the wear/cleaning reasons mentioned, but whether or not the seats are heated is the real criterion for me :)

Roblab | January 10, 2011

Just an aside about protein. Standard belief is that we need the protein. Fact: Protein is in most foods we eat, and the average vegan is proof you don't "need" meat. There is no reason to eat meat other than A) you like it, and B) you are rich enough to afford it, as it takes roughly 10 calories of energy in for every calorie of energy out. I am not a vegan and I have no axe to grind, just stating known facts.

searcher | January 11, 2011

@Roblab Your so right about the protein. Some veggies filled with protein and 0 bad stuff. Not a vegan either, not a hunter anymore either but love wild meat, kind of hypocritical sounding I guess.uc43 Guess you know that one day animals won't be eating other animals. This occurs now because something extremly chaotic happened a very long time ago on this very planet. One day the lion will lay down with the lamb. Not tryig to be a smart aleck, just thoght it related as a little sideline to your post.

Brian H | January 11, 2011

Yeah, but the vegan protein etc. is deficient. That's why vegans are skinny and mentally challenged. ;)

searcher | January 11, 2011

No BrianH didn't know the vegen protein was deficient, will check this out with nutritionist friend who actually advocates wild meats etc., maybe this is the reason. Not to offend any of our great German friends but did you know Hitler was a vegan, didn't believe in hunting as he thought it was cruel etc. Herman Gorring on the other hand was a very big hunter and the "Red Baron" furnished a lot of the meat for his outfit as he was excellent marksman and hunter on the ground as well as the air, used to fly his brindled colored great dane{I think} with him in his plane sometime. As I said I used to hunt and eat all the meat but in recent years thoughts have evolved that I can see soo much nobility as well as vunerability in animals both domestic and wild that it's just not my "cup of tea" any more. Don't have objections to others hunting. Would hunt if absolutely necessary for my survival. So how can I tie all this in to leather seat covers or not, can't so will stop here,but will cast my vote for fiber seat covers. Liked timos idea of having some could remove and clean maybe over the basic seat cover.

Roblab | January 12, 2011

@Brian H: Sorry. You are wrong. There are only a few proteins we need, and they are all available in plant foods. There is no way to make them "defective". The only thing you get from animal foods are B12, maybe some iron (green leafy veggies), and more fats, which generally you don't need (how many percent of US are overweight?). Standard "vegetarians" supplement with milk and or eggs and don't have these problems. And I personally know vegans who are fat.

Timo | January 12, 2011

Human digestive system is omnivore with emphasis on carnivore. You digest meat better than vegetables, which means it is easier to get what you need from animals than vegetables. veggies do not eat "right" in natural sense. We need to consume both. However almost all if not all of that meat could be fish, which is more healthy than land-animal based food (barring toxins which we humans have managed to pollute seas/fishes).

There are too many people on the world. 1/10th of the amount would be more than enough. I sometimes hope that there would be some very nasty worldwide pandemic that just kills most of us so that future generation would have better life.

searcher | January 12, 2011

Now timo you just knew that was a very provocative statement when you put it out there. I understand that is an opinion held by a lot of globalist. Many here in the USA are very anti-globalist and I would suspect world wide. I will not get into a long drawn out discussion here but just seriously and with no idea of trying to win any kind of debate or anything just as kindly as I know how ask you to do some somewhat heavy research into areas I have suggested way back in these 'chronicles". At least that way you will know both sides of an issue. I do promise you will be intrigued and fascinated. Absolutely not trying to win a debate here but just would love to see someone with [I percieve} your intellect get into this research. Incedently the cataclysmic events you describe will be encountered in multiples and of a diverse nature. Just one thing nobody knows when but when you get into the research I guarantee your reaction will be hmmm. Another thing, you will discover there is an escape, shall we say, mechanism already set up. Turn that mind of yours into this research. I can guarantee will be some of the most intersting studies you have ever done.

Timo | January 13, 2011

Which statement was "provocative"? I just stated an fact. Meat just is easier for human digestive system than vegetables, but it is not enough alone and vice versa. That is just simple medical fact.

searcher | January 13, 2011

timo, Provocative part was the pandemic , world population, etc. Getting out of your and my paygrade here.Agree with the food variety part. Now to get back to leather seats, think option should be left up to customer. I eat meat, like beautiful leather, don't see any reason for it to be wasted for those who like leather goods. Just am not a hunter or fisher anymore although I love the meat. Do research I mentioned, think it will be at least extremely interesting to you. If you already have done this research in depth then do as you will. "It's your call basketball".

Roblab | January 13, 2011

"...digestive system is omnivore with emphasis on carnivore"

Although it is a commonly held belief, it is not supported by scientific studies. Meat eating is nearly always harder on the body for numerous reasons. It slows the travel of food thru the system making bowel cancer more common in meat eaters. It is nearly always higher in fat, and cholesterol drops when meat eating is stopped. Meat is a carrier of disease, from bacteria to prions.
There is no way to know that we "evolved" from omnivores, and many scientists think we were designed to eat fruit. If you believe in creation, the Bible says we were fruit eaters first, and when man started eating meat, his lifespan dropped from 600 years to 150 years.
And of course, many doctors' and many scientists' beliefs are prejudiced by their likes and what they grew up with. But that doesn't make them right.
The average vegetarian lives ten years longer, healthier than the averabe meat eater.
But I still like leather on the car seats. Looks *rich*.

Timo | January 14, 2011

@Roblab, you have read "scientific" sources, not scientific sources. We are omnivores and meat is easier to digest to humans than plants. That is a fact. We need both, that is a fact.

Fat is not health risk if you just exercise enough to get all that huge energy content out that you got from eating it. In fact raw fat can contain more necessary vitamins than most plants. Same goes with muscles. You get iron from liver etc. Those are simple facts.

Bible is basically an ancient fairy tale which old testament is mixed from at least three different (conflicting) major sources and cut&paste-work from other ancient stories (like the flood, which is almost direct cut&paste from earlier Utnapishtim), and new testament is full of incoherence, illogical and contradictory tales and intentional deception made by later churches. It can't be used as natural science source book in any reasonable way. It would be really really really stupid to do so. Don't read it too carefully, you'll lose your faith. Believe in message, not the stories. It *is* better to forgive than retaliate. It *is* better to love than hate. It *is* better to be tolerant than intolerant.

Volker.Berlin | January 14, 2011

I call OT. Maybe you would exchange email addresses and continue your conversation offline...? Just my 2c.

Timo | January 14, 2011

You are right, I wont bother discussing this OT any further.

I have said something about seat covers above, but not clearly stated my opinion, so here goes:

I like leather, but not in seats. Some microfiber preferable even in removable ones so that I could put them in the laundry would be preferred to me. I find leather too...sweaty might be the right word to describe it. And also very difficult to maintain in good shape.

searcher | January 14, 2011

timo,Study apologetics deeply, they could cover all your ideas in a very scholorly manner. Think you would be happy with nothing less. The Bible doesn't argue just aseerts absolute soverignty in two words. I AM. This is really the core of the problem for those that don't beleive in the messenger, they just can't submit themselves to this authority. No hope in this philsophy, personally I will go with the "blessed hope". I like hope, I don't like no hope. Know this is not the intended place for this discussion as well as others but when bold assertions are made against my belief system then I will defend even if I get kicked off this website. timo if I can find a place we can go to discuss this further with the same usernames I will let you know. Check out some of the believing scientific community that can converse with you on a very scientific level you would appreciate. Ask them daunting questions and they will have it covered like the dew covers Georgia. I promise you it is no accident that we are discussing this but theres a world of stuff you don't know about all this. The opening of your paragraph was almost identical to a line of dribble I heard a cultist give, so your argument is not original at all. I bet I could list dozens of things you have never heard of in the sciptures and yet you are asserting, don't read to carefully you might loose your faith. You don't have a clue of what you are talking about, just trying to put on a pseudo schorlorly front here, and in your heart of hearts you know I am right. Nobody tries to get to you with the messege of eternal hope there in Finland do they timo. I have heard how Scandanavia is becoming concerning these matters. To any of you this offends as being out of place please accept my humble plea for a moment of tolerence, as I generally try to stay civil and on topic, but this conversation refers back to timo's original statement about a wish for a pandemic etc, etc. So I don't feel I started it. And I will defend my faith, many pardons to any offended by out of topic discussion. Now on to seat covers I agree with you timo. Take off and clean or just easy to clean fiber that does not come off.

qwk | January 15, 2011

How did you guys manage to steer a thread about car seats into religious nonsense?

This is Tesla forums, please take this somewhere else.

searcher | January 15, 2011

gwk, There have been many other incedences of threads getting off on tangents. I know the matters discussed are not nonsense but is a central core issue that relates to all issues in the universe, whether acknowledged or not although it makes many uncomfortable and there is a core reason for this to. I realize this is a forum about cars and will to my best to adhere to this. Again just skip over it if it distracts you, when you start reading it and are not pleased just skip over it.Repeating, please accept my plea for a moment of tolerance. Will do my best to keep it to moments and not long drawn out debates. So please do as you do when other threads get off topics into various "rabbit trails" just kindly don't let it bother you and move on.

qwk | January 15, 2011

So just because somebody else breaks the rules, that's an excuse for you to do the same?

Thereare many forums that you can discuss religious beliefs. This is not one of them.

searcher | January 15, 2011

qwk, Notice no reprimands were given for the "rabbit trail" off topic discussion of dietary considerations on this site. Why are you so uptight about this subject? Just try to apply the same equinimity to this subject. Will try to stay on cars hope you were not disturbed too much.

mcornwell | January 16, 2011

I agree, take it offline...

searcher | January 16, 2011

mcornwell, I have made my statement and it still stands unamended. Now let's all let it alone. So what kind of seatcovers do you favor. I like the option of leather{I think it's beautiful} or fiber, think I will go with very tough, easy to clean fiber. Some fibers actually seem tougher than leather overall. All factors considered. Have a good day mcornwell.

mcornwell | January 19, 2011

My Audi's microfiber seats with side leather bolsters have held up remarkably well over 7 years. It probably help that I only have 23,xxx miles on the car. Pic of a similar seat here:

mcornwell | January 19, 2011

To clarify, the seats are Alcantara:

David70 | January 22, 2011

@Timo, et al

I agree on the removable for washing option. In the event of non-removable stains (I've had them on my microfiber Prius seats, where stains had been untreated for much too long) even the option of new purchase and easy replacement covers.

Brian H | January 27, 2011

searcher, did you hear about the dyslexic insomniac agnostic? He lies awake every night worrying about the existence of Dog.

searcher | January 29, 2011

BrianH, Poor guy, but if he's agnostic, according to what I have read he better keep on worrying and very, very hopefully come to some sound and true conclusions and then two of his problems will be eliminated. But he can achieve with dyslexic, as General Patton, Tom Cruise, and several other big achievers. If you believe in nothing you will fall for anything. Your rapier wit is a hoot, keep on keeping it light and breezy. And I might add quite informative. Didn't think you would ever hear me say this did you,ha.

joesontesla | January 29, 2011

i got a 17 years old volvo w leather seats 312000 miles 500000 km they look very great they support tobacco smoke and burn and multiple liquid stain. but they need some treatments and maintenance to stay nice. i think they are a very ecofriendly and durable option but bad when very hot or very cold.

searcher | January 29, 2011

joesontesla, I have a twenty five year old Volvo I have owned about year and a half. Immaculate paint looks like new car, immaculate fabric seat covers no stains no fading but this is all because the former owner was a chenical engineer, garaged the car, and no doubt ran a very tight ship when it came to maintaing the car. I just bought it from his estate sight unseen by me after my neices husband looked at the car in Mobile, Al.Fabric seats aren't even faded. I have never seen a car this well taken care of.

dsm363 | January 29, 2011

This forum used to be actually useful and on topic. Searcher: Theres is a municipality in the district of Haßberge in Bavaria (Germany). There's a world of stuff you don't know about all this. Please, please find a forum that is made for discussion random theories, religion....etc and leave this for talking about Tesla and cars.

dsm363 | January 29, 2011

Here you go: They have a section on religion, science....etc

searcher | January 29, 2011

dsm363, Sincerely sorry you were aggravated or offended. I was merely responding to Brianh's joke which I felt he made with no intention to be offensive and I was trying to respond in a somewhat light non offensive way.The other post was pointing out the durability of fabric if well taken care of. I even tried to pay Brianh a compliment as I felt he had no ill intentions. Not really that far off topic, at least no more than Brianh was. Noticed he didn't get reprimand. Will make every effort to stay on topic. Enjoy your post as well as many others. Would like to go to the website you left, would invite many of you to go there with me with your same user names. Have a swell day.

searcher | January 29, 2011

dsm363, Believe me because of your courtesy, respect, and professional attitude toward me I truly do not wish to hinder anyones use of the forums and have taken your comments in good grace and am not offended because I know you certainly did not intend to offend. I am preparing to go to the website you referred to now. If you don't mind would you respell the district in Baveria and name the municipality. Please tell me where I can look for the "world of stuff I don't know about all this" a little more precisely. If I am being nieve and you are just speaking in terms of a comparative parable then please disregard my request for more precise directions. If you wont be offended I will probably be able to come up with some sound websites that will, if nothing else, intrigue you and and your intellectual curiosity to a great extent No wild stuff here just right down the line, very conservative stuff, but bet you never heard it before. So thanks again, I like your manner and manners on the Tesla website. Off I go now to your recommended site.

dsm363 | January 30, 2011

I wasn't offended, I just wish the website would go back on topic like it used to. Don't worry, you're not alone in the direction the forum has taken. I just think a Tesla Motors forum is an odd place for religious and other wildly off topic items.

I was just joking and copied a sentence from your last post where you left out the apostrophe in "there's"

searcher | January 31, 2011

dsm363, Went to that website. Some crackpot spouting off about irrelevancy ete, etc. And you know what he got from me. Administrator pulled the plug on me. Got another one?,ha. Don't want to go back there, think I will find less hostile territory as am exposed to far too many radical elemnts there, if you know what I mean. I will find some and extend an invitation to any who want to discuss things and don't have the uneasy feeling they are drfting off topic too much. Thanks anyway. Concerning seat covers have been thinking about this and think good tough non removable basic fiber would be good and maybe an option to also have good tough washable, removable fiber cover on all models. But have to have a serious snap on technology or something that would not fit "sloppy" looking when put back on. Am in favor of the leather option to. Like beautiful leather and beautiful real wood.