Does someone can tell me the current door clearance above the roof on model X. Is this ok fir most of indoor public underground parking lot?
There aren't any hard numbers yet, but Elon has said they're about equal to an Audi Q7 hatch. However, they don't have to open up to the full height.
would also like to know, maybe it could be guessed if a picture with both model S and model X from behind is pressent
From pictures I estimate about 1.5 times the height of the Model S with doors open, which would make it somewhere close to 85 inches or 215cm.
Can someone visit a Tesla Store and measure it from a Prototype? :-)
Elon has dropped hints of some major "falcon wing" developments. A hinge at the elbow in the door, so it folds flat on the roof (if desired)?
One issue: the falcon doors are under the rails, while the tailgate of an SUV is between the rails. In our garage, our Q7 rear hatch is programmed to open partway to avoid the ceiling (we have a low ceiling). It wold barely open at all if it was under the arable door rails.
height plus half the width?
So no roof racks possible?
There is a rumored secret brilliant Tesla solution to the ski rack problem. Speculation is running wild!
Come on, guys. Will someone who lives near the factory please go measure the clearance height needed for the falcon wings to be fully open? Thanks in advance.
The prototype isn't at the factory. It's at one of the new stores somewhere
And on top, it's a prototype.
...and as such subject to change. For example side mirrors don't exist in that prototype, but mirrors are required by law in many places. That's a problem with laws, they get obsoleted fast. I bet when those laws were made something like "digital camera" simply didn't exist, so in order to get side view cameras instead requires law change and that doesn't happen fast.
Falcon doors themselves might change.
It's actually a bit surprising to me to see that many reservations for a product that is hardly even beta-stage yet. It probably is a lot closer to final product than Model S prototype was for final Model S, but it still is prototype.
Okay, so my wife is hot to get a Model X. Our Model S is supposed to show up in December/January.
We live in a weird, Frank Lloyd Wright designed house, and I just converted the 2 car carport into a 3 car garage (keeping the original lines, mind you). So the garage doors are only about 7 feet high, and the opener's motor a couple inches below that. Will the X's doors open? The latter half of the garage (about 15 feet) will have 8' ceilings, so she can always back in if there are passengers.
I dunno if there are official measurements yet, but I recall Elon mentioning that the gull wings wouldn't need more clearance than a minivans rear gate.
My memory isn't reliable though, so take that with a grain of salt....... The size of a Buick :D
Seven feet is about 210cm. My estimation for those falcon doors is 215cm. Tight, wouldn't count on them opening full before hitting the whatever there is to hit.
Raise the ceiling or lower the floor. ;)
The car itself can be lowered a few inches. Perhaps this happens automatically when the car is placed in park. I am also wondering the height of the opened doors, because it looks pretty high in one looks at Elon's demonstrations, since he is nearly 6'2. Of course camera angles make it hard to say exacty. he curvature of the door itself will help ensure that it does not hit anything when it is opened, but in my case, I am not sure I will be able to open them with the garage door open. Only time will tell. With my F150 I have about 3 inches clearance between the garage door and the roof.
I can't wait to see it in person. The Tyson's Corner showroom in VA is opening soon!
Just to ad to my prior comment, with a low ceiling and garage door, there should still be enough room if the car is backed in. This is something I do anyway, and with an EV there will be no fumes to worry about.
Does anyone know if the falcon wings can open separately? or do both have to open at once and can you manually open them?
Joey on the reserve 1930
They can be opened one at a time and yes they can be opened manually (Retracting Door Handles)
Rep says the doors will also have sensors that will stop them from crashing into anything overhead.
As a Delorean owner I assure you all that if done correctly the falcon doors will work fine, most of you will love them, I never had a problem with my 30+ year old gull wing doors...
Wish they had them as an option on the S.
I would think private garages are not that much the issue (you can drop the kids off before you park the car - the worst that will happen is that they get wet!) but underground/mall/airport car parks would be one - at least in continental Europe, the ceiling height of those tend to be around 190cm to 210cm, seldom more.
Built for and by dwarves?
@carl.leermakers, I don't think I have seen 190 cm ceiling in any building modern enough to have garages. Half of my friends could not walk straight in places like that. More like 220 cm minimum, 250cm normal.
If 190cm is really common in your neighborhood those airports/malls must have been build in dark ages. Which doesn't make much sense. Some ancient buildings can have very low ceilings, but in general those would not have been intended for cars (or horses or anything like that). Not speaking of experience though, just that I have hard time believing that that would be common phenomenon in entire continental Europe.
BrianH: Didn't know you were a NBA player of 210 cm :-)
Many car parks in Hong Kong got 180cm ceiling. My Toyota Alphard cannot enter any of them as well.
180cm is really low. I could not even walk there straight and many cars could not even get there. Any VAN/SUV/off-roader are out of question definitely.
Yeah, and if you have 3cm. heels and a 2cm. haircut, you'd be in trouble even if you're 175 cm!
I confirme that most of car parks in France are 180cm (public and private).
It was part of my "stress" (Google translate ! I would use "constraint") in my choice of my current car.
That's really weird, even T-Ford with roof up is taller than 180cm. That restricts parking space a lot. Must have been build when tiny cars like Mini Cooper or Fiat 600 were popular.
I wonder about width and lengths of the actual parking spaces in those. Are they similarly tiny?
Could anyone going to the Detroit Auto Show try to measure the height with the falcon doors open? :)
Sometimes the entrens of a parking lot may have a sign indicating max 180 og 190 cm. however the celing heigh is typically not under 220 cm - a sign indicating 180 may be due to technical installations witch may cross the driveway - e.g. water pipes, ventilation or like.
My experience has been that there is a bar hanging at the entrance to most parking garages in the US and even open parking decks, that restrict the height to about 200inches. I get in everywhere, (but sometimes only just) with with my F150 FX4. I have also looked at indoor parking garages at condo complexes and concert venues and there is always enough clearance. The only place I may have a slight problem is my personal garage which has a ceiling that is only 7 ft high. If I back the car in, the door track should not be in the way, so it should still be fine. I cant wait to see the car in person. That is the only way I will really know.
I'm guessing 200 cm instead of inches? 200 inch would be 508 cm, almost enough to park Model S vertical, so unless your F150 FX4 is a monster truck it should not have problems getting in.
mandatory smiley ;-P
Vertical parking; definitely need a CCI to contain the loose junk for that!! :D
Oops, yes cm not inches. :)
The sensor on top of the X rules the height of the doors opening, based on my experience.
So if your garage is 7', for example, that top sensor will know that and will not let the doors open higher than that and builds in a buffer. My garage door and rails are at same height when garage is open, so that's easy.
Issues can arise if your garage door is closed and the rail is toward the lower part of the FWD. Better get your hand ready to stop it at that point. Also, I have a shelf that comes out of the wall midway through the FWD arc and FWD has never sensed it, so I stop doors manually. Shelf is wood. Don't know if that matters.
Simple fix for garage: I'm thinking of running some tape, or a long panel around of just under the garage door rail. Could even just put lofted storage shelf right above the rail as I am sure the FWD would stop a few inches short of it, leaving clearance for the door to come up and be OK even if the FWDs are already up.
Simpler Fix: Model X software that knows when its in my garage based on GPS, to set a max height for the FWDs
I wonder if you could rig a little platform right above where the FWD sensor sits when parked in the garage at the max height you want the doors to open at? That way you would not have to worry about any special settings, not seeing pipes or rails, or other sensor issues, at least while parked at home.
@aesculus You could do that, but the lower the height, the wider the doors open out, so it's kind of like squeezing a water balloon to a certain degree.
@elguapo: Just trying to give the sensors a solid plane to work from. From TMC one person did an extensive test above the single sensor and found gaps and holes in its coverage, front and back. If you could trick it by placing an object right in its path that simulated a low ceiling for example, the thought would be it would stop the doors at the height of the object.
@aesculus Right. I saw that post with the red outlines. Sadly, it looks like the blind spots are fairly large for the FWDs.
Sadly, it looks like the blind spots are fairly large for the FWDs.
Hence my trick. Just put a board right above the sensor it can see at the height you want it to stop the doors at. This way you get what you want and the sensor is happy too. :-)